Question: Should "Pro Match Results" forum be merged with this one - "General Pro Player Discussion"?

[worldcitizen]

I am a newb here.

I see there are 2 forums - "Pro Match Results" and this one "General Pro Player Discussion" -- which have almost the same theme and content. Talking about current pro players and talking about current matches is almost the same topic right? Now, every time I have to visit both the forums to read/write about current pro player topics. Sometimes something is here, or sometimes it is there.

Looks like this separation has been there for a long time. What do people feel about it? Wouldn't merging them making the forum easier to use?

I also have to visit the "Former Pro player" forum, since I am interested in that. Technically that could be merged too, but the topic is distinct enough to keep separate.

 

[Subway Tennis]

First of all, welcome to Talk Tennis

Regarding the separate match results section - that section is separate so that people can discuss specific matches without putting spoilers in the general pro player discussion area.

The former pro player section is separated for discussions from a more historical / academic appreciation of tennis. In my opinion, it is quite handy having it separated as the discussions there are of a different calibre from the general section, and there is far less trolling.

 

[weakera]

It's nice and tidy to have all of the match threads in one place.

 

[worldcitizen]

First of all, welcome to Talk Tennis

Thanks!

Regarding the separate match results section - that section is separate so that people can discuss specific matches without putting spoilers in the general pro player discussion area.

Does that hold true though? It would be hard to enforce this - since after a key victory, people want to talk about the implications of the victory in many threads other than the match thread.

For example, if I look at the threads right now in the General Player Discussion forum, I can infer that Rafa won from a dozen threads:
Has Nadal's win made the World Tour Finals less important?
So happy for Rafa and great day to be a Rafa fan. #21
Nadal- 21 best points of 21 slams
How can an almost 40 year old be physicaly better than a 25 year old?
The truth of this 21 slam record is Dani helped Rafa turn a desastrous loss into a heroic victory
POLL: Your level of confidence in a Rafa victory when he was up 40-0 on his serve in the last game ?
Nadal needed an intervention from the government of the whole continent.
Medvedev has lost 3 out of 4 slam finals that he played so far

If someone has not watched a key match and does not want to know the result, should that person even visit tennis forum websites? When I am in this situation I avoid reading tennis websites, tennis forums, or even general news websites. It would be hard to ensure that tennis discussions avoid discussing latest tennis match results.

The former pro player section is separated for discussions from a more historical / academic appreciation of tennis. In my opinion, it is quite handy having it separated as the discussions there are of a different calibre from the general section, and there is far less trolling.

Agree.

 

[worldcitizen]

It's nice and tidy to have all of the match threads in one place.

Is it working out though? For this to happen, "Pro Match Results" forum should have 1 thread per match and nothing else.

But if you see the threads right now in the forum -- copied below -- most of the threads are actually not match threads, and just general discussion. In fact only 1 out of first 24 threads there right now is a match thread. So is it making easy to find match threads?

An alternative approach for this use case is to use something like a tag or type of thread. I know the Xenforo forum software used by this forum supports something like a "type" of thread -- like you could "Match Result" as a type -- it will show before the title in a colored box -- so it will be easy to distinguish such threads -- and then if you click on it, it automatically filters all the threads of that type. I have seen this functionality being used by other websites that use the same forum software.

If Rafa gets 21...
Help Me Process What I Just Saw
med thinking of skipping french and wimbledon
Australian Open 2022 Final: Rafael Nadal vs Daniil Medvedev (only this is true match thread)
Nadal > djokovic
Daniil medvedev is done
What was Med saying during ceremony?
so the med is just like safin, kafelnikov?
All of the main Next Gen have choked from 2-0 up in major finals
Muzziah Manor – followers of the Mettled Master of Magnanimity
Nadal's chances of winning?
So what are the Next Gen defenders gonna say now?
What would Djokovic be thinking right now
If Rafa wins the AO, I will delete my account, lose $1000 and donate another $1000 to charity.
Talk to me about mouth guards
Nadal took that win
Here is what happen in the match between Shapovalov vs Nadal
Congrats Medvedev for winning your 2nd grand slam in a ROW!!
Longest Gap Between Same Major in Singles?
Nadal is 2-12 in Grand Slam Matches when down 0-2 in sets
21-20-20 : What next?

 

[Deleted member 788697]

The only criteria for "General Pro Player Discussion" should be 'no spoilers'.
That is enough to distinguish it from the "Pro Match Results" section.
If somebody doesn't want to know the results of the most recent round of matches, then they'll avoid the "Pro Match Results" section.

 

[GhostOfNKDM]

Thanks!



Does that hold true though? It would be hard to enforce this - since after a key victory, people want to talk about the implications of the victory in many threads other than the match thread.

For example, if I look at the threads right now in the General Player Discussion forum, I can infer that Rafa won from a dozen threads:
Has Nadal's win made the World Tour Finals less important?
So happy for Rafa and great day to be a Rafa fan. #21
Nadal- 21 best points of 21 slams
How can an almost 40 year old be physicaly better than a 25 year old?
The truth of this 21 slam record is Dani helped Rafa turn a desastrous loss into a heroic victory
POLL: Your level of confidence in a Rafa victory when he was up 40-0 on his serve in the last game ?
Nadal needed an intervention from the government of the whole continent.
Medvedev has lost 3 out of 4 slam finals that he played so far

If someone has not watched a key match and does not want to know the result, should that person even visit tennis forum websites? When I am in this situation I avoid reading tennis websites, tennis forums, or even general news websites. It would be hard to ensure that tennis discussions avoid discussing latest tennis match results.



Agree.

Welcome!

Yeah, it's not a foolproof guarantee for someone who wants to be protected from knowing results, but the separation is also semantic.

Just like having folders in your 'My Documents' on your computer, (in which I'm sure you could put all your files in one place and still access them), having separation between the two subs keeps match threads from getting buried under other general discussions going on, and thus easier to access for folks interested in live match discussions.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Thanks!



Does that hold true though? It would be hard to enforce this - since after a key victory, people want to talk about the implications of the victory in many threads other than the match thread.

For example, if I look at the threads right now in the General Player Discussion forum, I can infer that Rafa won from a dozen threads:
Has Nadal's win made the World Tour Finals less important?
So happy for Rafa and great day to be a Rafa fan. #21
Nadal- 21 best points of 21 slams
How can an almost 40 year old be physicaly better than a 25 year old?
The truth of this 21 slam record is Dani helped Rafa turn a desastrous loss into a heroic victory
POLL: Your level of confidence in a Rafa victory when he was up 40-0 on his serve in the last game ?
Nadal needed an intervention from the government of the whole continent.
Medvedev has lost 3 out of 4 slam finals that he played so far

If someone has not watched a key match and does not want to know the result, should that person even visit tennis forum websites? When I am in this situation I avoid reading tennis websites, tennis forums, or even general news websites. It would be hard to ensure that tennis discussions avoid discussing latest tennis match results.



Agree.

Yes, you're right it definitely still happens with huge matches. It would be impossible to avoid the AO finals results even when avoiding pro match results just by browsing GPPD.

 

[diggler]

Definitely should merge. The separation started from a different era when you may get a delayed broadcast. Even then, it was a ridiculous premise. You want to watch the match later but you want to talk tennis now? As soon as the match finishes there are threads discussing the result.

 

[worldcitizen]

Definitely should merge. The separation started from a different era when you may get a delayed broadcast. Even then, it was a ridiculous premise. You want to watch the match later but you want to talk tennis now? As soon as the match finishes there are threads discussing the result.

Exactly. The message which announces its creation is from 2004 -- 17 years ago.

Delayed telecast is no longer a thing now -- people get live streams from tennistv.com itself and for slams many TV channels also broadcast live streams on internet as well if they are unable to show all parallel matches in their cable/broadcast TV channels. And the information is all around us -- there are ATP/slam/news apps on our smartphones which throw notifications of match results. I think somebody who does not wish to know the results would have to avoid visiting all tennis websites, news websites, -- they can also avoid visiting the tennis forums until they watch the match.

Also I see practically its very hard to keep a clean separation. For example, the 23 threads which I talked about above, which were not match threads but general discussion about the implications but were still in the Pro Match Results forum -- still remain there in the same forum. If the purpose of "Pro match results" forum is to only avoid spoilers, then wouldn't those discussions need to be moved to the General discussion forum after 24 hours or something -- since they are no longer spoilers after that period, so they wouldn't belong there.

Wouldn't it be hard to ensure all threads which talk about matches which happened in the last 24 (or some number) of hours are in the Pro Match Results forum and no spoilers are happening in any other threads -- and then all of those get moved after 24 (or some number) hours from Pro Match Results forum to the General discussion forum? And if they are not moved, then the threads remain divided into two forums for no particular reason, creating duplicate threads, or half visibility, and in general, inconvenience for everyone.

Apart from @diggler nobody else feels like this?

Are there any forum moderators who can read this?

 

[worldcitizen]

@TW Staff please can you take a look at the suggestion in this post? Would appreciate your thoughts on this.

 

[Checkmate]

I like the separation because it is easier to access match threads. With recent trends emerging in GPPD like talking covid, talking vaccine, tourism Australia, tourism Dubai, Scott Morrison, Serbia War, LGBTQ+, vaccine boon, vaccine paralysis etc etc..it' some time difficult to gauge where meaningful tennis talk is happening.

That's why gppd and pro match results separation is advantageous.

 

[Deleted member 788697]

I'm happy with the current system, there's been no problem.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it
There are a lot of terrible threads created everyday, and when you go into the Pro Match Results section its good to know you won't see too many terrible threads.