Quote from Gene Simmons

Steady Eddy

Legend
"I wasn't born here. But I have a love for this country and its people that knows no bounds. I will forever be grateful to America for going into World War II, when it had nothing to gain, in a country that was far away... and rescued my mother from the **** German concentration camps. She is alive and I am alive because of America. And, if you have a problem with America, you have a problem with me."

It's nice that he appreciates America for saving his mother's life, but "...America for going into World War II, when it had nothing to gain"

So why were we there? To save his mother's life? We lost over 400,000 over our own. Over 400,000!, just to be good samaritans? That's too high of a price to pay when we don't have vital interests.

And if we didn't need to be in WWII, then what about WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan? No one can attack us with two huge oceans on each side.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I wasn't talking about celebs. I was talking solely about Simmons.

Celebs line up on both sides of politics, Eastwood most notably.

The Trumps seem to be trying to fire celebs for laughing at them - so PC, after all!!!
Well that's good strategy for any boss or leader, you get rid of people who are not loyal to the cause or are likely to white ant you.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Gene seems to be a Trump fanboy as well, which is hardly a surprise.
I don't think he is, he is probably his own man and loves the U.S. which is good isn't it? His parents which are from Hungarian Jewish ancestry certainly experienced both political extremes and therefore great full to be in the U.S.
 

Crionics

Semi-Pro
What a dumb comment from Gene Simmons. It would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. So much ignorance.

Gene Simmons should thank the Russians, they are mostly responsible for the nazis losing the war. 20 millions out of the 60 millions deaths during WW2 were Russian deaths. The number of American casualties in comparison is peanuts.

Also the russians were the first to liberate concentration/extermination camps (already in July 1944) and the biggest extermination camp of all, Auschwitz (responsible for 1 million jewish deaths out of 6 millions jews exterminated), was liberated in January 1945 by the russians, not by americans. Hitler and Goebbels both committed suicide in their bunker in Berlin when the russians were invading Berlin (not the americans).
Sure Americans participated in the WWII effort, but to claim they are somehow solely responsible for defeating n_azi Germany is a complete joke.

Oh, and the Americans certainly didn't go to war to be good Samaritans. They went, because Japan declared war on them and shortly after Germany also declared war on them. Of note also that US government and military officials knew about german extermination camps in 1942 already thanks to reports and photographic evidence of crematoriums from the polish resistance, but didn't do anything about it (like bombing the railways leading to the camps as the polish resistance was hoping).

I guess that in the end, Americans somehow like to think they are the unique saviors of the world.

And if we didn't need to be in WWII, then what about WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan? No one can attack us with two huge oceans on each side.

It is not about attacking you. Is is about control of the Eurasian continent and having governments in that part of the world aligned with US interests. Whoever controls the Eurasian continent controls the world.
 

Steady Eddy

Legend
Oh, and the Americans certainly didn't go to war to be good Samaritans. They went, because Japan declared war on them and shortly after Germany also declared war on them.
They declared war, but we still didn't have to declare war in return. Jeannette Rankin, a representative from Montana voted against getting involved in the war. She became very unpopular for doing so, but it shows that it was a choice, and I think she was right. Our 400,000 dead pales in comparison to the Soviet Union's losses, but it is still a large number, especially considering it could have been zero if we just turned the other cheek. The Soviet Union was being invaded. They had to fight. They didn't fight just on principle.
 
I wasn't talking about celebs. I was talking solely about Simmons.

Celebs line up on both sides of politics, Eastwood most notably.

The Trumps seem to be trying to fire celebs for laughing at them - so PC, after all!!!

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What a dumb comment from Gene Simmons.

It would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. So much ignorance.

Gene Simmons should thank the Russians, they are mostly responsible for the nazis losing the war. 20 millions out of the 60 millions deaths during WW2 were Russian deaths. The number of American casualties in comparison is peanuts.

Also the russians were the first to liberate concentration/extermination camps (already in July 1944) and the biggest extermination camp of all, Auschwitz (responsible for 1 million jewish deaths out of 6 millions jews exterminated), was liberated in January 1945 by the russians, not by americans. Hitler and Goebbels both committed suicide in their bunker in Berlin when the russians were invading Berlin (not the americans).
Sure Americans participated in the WWII effort, but to claim they are somehow solely responsible for defeating n_azi Germany is a complete joke.

Oh, and the Americans certainly didn't go to war to be good Samaritans. They went, because Japan declared war on them and shortly after Germany also declared war on them. Of note also that US government and military officials knew about german extermination camps in 1942 already thanks to reports and photographic evidence of crematoriums from the polish resistance, but didn't do anything about it (like bombing the railways leading to the camps as the polish resistance was hoping).

I guess that in the end, Americans somehow like to think they are the unique saviors of the world.



It is not about attacking you. Is is about control of the Eurasian continent and having governments in that part of the world aligned with US interests. Whoever controls the Eurasian continent controls the world.
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Ah yes, Russia: the same champs who gave us Soviet Jewry.


REALITY:
Geo. Patton had been an outspoken critic of Stalin and a vocal proponent of liberating Berlin and the German people from certain communist aggression which (politically) triggered his sudden removal from the battlefield. In the aftermath of war, the Western powers sought to sideline the mercurial Patton and his incendiary views.

But Patton despised the politically driven circus and the media minions that carried out their dirty work. Still, he continued to speak out against the Russians as an American witness to their brutality during and after the war. As Stalin devoured Eastern Europe, Patton remarked, “I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them… …the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.”

In early May 1945, as the Allies shut down the Nazi war machine, Patton stood with his massive 3rd Army on the outskirts of Prague in a potential face off with the Red Army. He pleaded for General Eisenhower’s green light to advance and capture the city for the Allies, which also would have meant containment of the Russians. British Prime Minister Churchill also thought the move a crucial and beneficial one for post-war Europe and insisted upon it, but to no avail. Eisenhower denied Patton’s request, and the Russians took the region, which would pay dearly for years to come. Earlier that year, at the February conference in Yalta, President Roosevelt, with Churchill at his side, extended the hand of friendship to “Uncle Joe” Stalin and signed his Faustian pact. In so doing, the destiny of millions was reduced to mass starvation, blood revenge, and distant gulags. At the time, Patton understood the tragedy of this event and wrote, “We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see that they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it?”

Berlin also was given to Stalin’s Army as red meat to feed the dictator’s appetite for killing Germans. To some, including Patton, this was an unnecessary and devastating concession. In late April 1945, Patton claimed he could take Berlin in just “two days,” an assessment shared by the commander of the 9th Army, General William H. Simpson. As with Prague, Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied. Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945, " for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those who did not were *****. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed."

Conventional wisdom holds that Eisenhower’s choice not to capture the eastern capital cities was sober decision-making or that he was bound by the Yalta agreements, though he originally planned for Berlin and Prague. Many also noted that the Russians promised to join the fight in the Pacific war, though the Russians never fulfilled that promise. Yet, the “what ifs” of history echo in Patton’s words: "The American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest of ease, because, while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the knowledge of the use of the combined arms, whereas we excel in all three of these.”

Moreover, Patton’s notion of meeting the enemy “now, rather than later” in retrospect seems not the mere wiles of a warmonger unable to embrace peacetime, but rather a worthy and prudent strategy of a seasoned tactician, even if a gamble. Stalin’s own records prove that he told his leaders to “play down” the Berlin invasion, aware that it was Europe’s crown jewel. Eisenhower, for all his discernment and skill at war management, did not see the Russians coming as did Patton and Churchill, who both recognized the wisdom of stopping Stalin in his tracks and perhaps offering Eastern Europe a chance at liberation.
 
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guanzishou

G.O.A.T.

“I don’t care about your political beliefs. You are not allowed to infect anybody just because you think you’ve got rights that are delusional, of course,”

“You don’t have the right to go through a red light — actually, the government has the right to tell you to stop. You have to put on a seatbelt. If they tell you you can’t smoke in a building, you can’t smoke in a building. And that’s not because they want to take away your rights, it’s because the rest of us hate it! We don’t want to smell your smoke. I don’t want to catch your disease. I don’t want to risk my life just because you want to go through a red light,”

“This whole idea — this delusional, evil idea that you get to do whatever you want and the rest of the world be damned — is really terrible. We’ve gotta identify those people and bring them out into the open so you know who they are. Know who your friends are by how much they care about you. That includes COVID.”


“For those who don’t believe this is real, over 5 million human beings have died from COVID. I know there are Flat Earth Society people who believe that and people who believe in all sorts of things (like) they died because they were fat or died because they smoked,”. “No, *****, they died because they got COVID. And there are still a lot of people who don’t believe that, and you have to find out who those people are. I don’t care if you play football or not, stay away from evil people who don’t care about your health.”


“It has become political; unfortunately, the far left and the far right, they are both evil. They both spread all kinds of nonsense, I don’t like either one of them. Politics are the enemy,” he said. “Humanism and humanity is what we should all be (embracing). Love thy neighbor as thyself. For God’s sake, if I’m going to yawn in your presence, I’m going to put my hand up in front of my mouth. Yawning is not a life-threatening event. You having COVID might be a life-threatening event, and I don’t want to catch it. ”
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
@Steady Eddy
Gene seems to be a Trump fanboy as well, which is hardly a surprise.
OTOH, Gene has been critical of Donny-boy's handling of the covid pandemic. He has blamed him for the impact it had on the US. Unlike a lot of trumpies, Gene is very pro-vax and pro-mask

 

chrischris

G.O.A.T.

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Gene did fashion a whole career out of wearing a mask of sorts.

@Steady Eddy

OTOH, Gene has been critical of Donny-boy's handling of the covid pandemic. He has blamed him for the impact it had on the US. Unlike a lot of trumpies, Gene is very pro-vax and pro-mask

 

van_Loederen

Professional
if the USA had violated the agreements with Stalin, Europe would have remained in war.
US was better equiped, but this doesn't matter. it would have come down to similar affairs to Vietnam or Afghanistan. gladly this didn't happen.
 
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