Someone Please Explain this One....

TripleB

Hall of Fame
"Bob" was self rated at 4.0 and lost to a guy "Phil". "Phil" later lost to a guy "John" who was also self rated at 4.0. "John" is a former teaching pro that was at one time rated 5.5. He never lost a set in the Spring league and never lost a match in the mixed league he played in.

'Bob' and 'Phil' were both disqualified for playing 4.0 but the former 5.5 teaching pro 'John' didn't get disqualified.

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? Two guys get DQ'd but the guy who beat them doesn't.

TripleB
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
fictitious names never work for scenarios, we need links and exact scores to explain this one, besides if you knew the guys was a 5.5 why did noone file a protest??
 

spot

Hall of Fame
I would guess that John is computer rated so it will take more for him to move up a level. When you self rate it doesn't take a ton to move up
 
fictitious names never work for scenarios, we need links and exact scores to explain this one, besides if you knew the guys was a 5.5 why did noone file a protest??

This is what turns me off about leagues. The guy WAS a 5.5 at one time in his life.....maybe he took off from tennis like I did and didn't play for 15 years. So are you saying he should have self rated as a 5.5 and been laughed off of the court? Why file a protest? Sounds kind of lame to me.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
I would say John has two strikes for beating Phil and Bob.

John did not get strikes for his other wins because he beat low-end 4.0s with close scores or whipped 3.5s playing up.

I win, don't I? :)
 

Topaz

Legend
I would say John has two strikes for beating Phil and Bob.

John did not get strikes for his other wins because he beat low-end 4.0s with close scores or whipped 3.5s playing up.

I win, don't I? :)

*handing Cindy a cookie* ;)

My guess...John knows somebody!!!

Ok, more serious answer...don't get caught up in the computer ratings, just play. It will drive you over the edge.
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
This is what turns me off about leagues. The guy WAS a 5.5 at one time in his life.....maybe he took off from tennis like I did and didn't play for 15 years. So are you saying he should have self rated as a 5.5 and been laughed off of the court? Why file a protest? Sounds kind of lame to me.

then filing a protest will not hurt him. Yeah because cheating is not lame, or beatin up on guys 3 levels lower is not lame.
 

rjkardo

Rookie
"Bob" was self rated at 4.0 and lost to a guy "Phil". "Phil" later lost to a guy "John" who was also self rated at 4.0. "John" is a former teaching pro that was at one time rated 5.5. He never lost a set in the Spring league and never lost a match in the mixed league he played in.

'Bob' and 'Phil' were both disqualified for playing 4.0 but the former 5.5 teaching pro 'John' didn't get disqualified.

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? Two guys get DQ'd but the guy who beat them doesn't.

TripleB

Lets see:
Rules are haphazard and irregularly enforced?
Leagues are run with the intelligence of four-year olds?

I have read some of the other posts to your question. If, as one poster commented, 'John' played 5.5 years ago and had not competed in a long time...why is he winning every match? How does he beat two 4.0 players who were good enough to get bumped up? If John is undefeated, and beat two players who got bumped up, it makes no sense that he remain at 4.0

No sense to anyone but leagues.

Rod
 
The computer has nothing to do with wins and loses. It goes by individual set scores. So if John was computer rated to start the season while the others were self rated, the self rated take less to get bumped. If John only won at a rate of 6-3 or closer against the other two players and also like that against other players in the 4.0 level or lower he would not get bumped. However, if John was very close to the bump threshold and he only beat these guys 6-4 or closer or actually lost a set to them 6-0/6-1/6-2 and the other set was close and won in a tiebreak, the other player would actually go into the computer with the higher rating and could get a strike even though they lost the match.

See, winning the match does not make any difference, it is the set score. If I beat someone that has a higher computer rating (remember, you only see the rounded number) 7-5, 0-6, 1-0, the computer sees that as a tie and a loss, therefore my rating would not go up that much or could actually go down if the player was rated below me. While I won the match, I only won 7 games in the two sets while the other player won 11. You have to look at the sets that way and not who won the match. I think this is one of the issues that gets people confused. The sets produce the change in the computer the most, not who won the match.

Also, here in the southern section mixed, combo, and NTRP don't even factor into the equation. Former teaching pro means nothing as there are many that could fall down to 4.0 if they played enough matches and had bad sets. I could theoretically be a 4.0 player, play 4.5 and win every match but not get bumped. Win 7-5, 0-6, 1-0 and it be against players just barely at 4.5 and a few 4.0 players thrown in.
 
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