Tokyo Subway Cult Attackers Executed

Seven members of the Aum Shinrikyo doomsday cult which carried out a deadly nerve gas attack on the Tokyo underground in 1995 have been executed, including cult leader Shoko Asahara. The sarin attack, Japan's worst terror incident, killed 13 people and injured thousands more. Another six members of the cult are still on death row. The executions, at a Tokyo detention house on Friday morning, was confirmed by the Justice Ministry. It had been postponed until all those convicted had completed their final appeals. That happened in January. Shoko Asahara and his followers was also accused of several other murders and an earlier sarin gas attack in 1994 which killed eight and left 600 injured.

What was the Tokyo attack?

On 20 March 1995, cult members released the sarin on the subway in the Japanese capital. They left punctured bags filled with liquid nerve agent on train lines going through Tokyo's political district. Witnesses described noticing the leaking packages and soon afterwards feeling stinging fumes hitting their eyes. The toxin struck victims down in a matter of seconds, leaving them choking and vomiting, some blinded and paralysed. Thirteen people died. In the following months, members of the cult carried out several failed attempts at releasing hydrogen cyanide in various stations. The attack shocked Japan, a country that prided itself on low crime rates and social cohesion. Scores of Aum members have faced trial over the attack - 13 were sentenced to death, including Asahara. Another six are serving life sentences.

What is the Aum Shinrikyo cult?

The cult, whose name means "supreme truth", began in the 1980s as a spiritual group mixing Hindu and Buddhist beliefs, later working in elements of apocalyptic Christian prophesies. The group's founder, Shoko Asahara, also known as Chizuo Matsumoto, declared himself to be both Christ and the first "enlightened one" since Buddha. Aum Shinrikyo gained official status as a religious organisation in Japan in 1989 and picked up a sizeable global following. At its peak, Asahara had tens of thousands of followers worldwide. The group gradually became a paranoid doomsday cult, convinced the world was about to end in a global war and that only they would survive. The cult went underground after the 1995 attack, but did not disappear, eventually renaming itself Aleph or Hikari no Wa.

Aum Shinrikyo is designated a terrorist organisation in the US and many other countries, but Aleph and Hikari no Wa are both legal in Japan, although designated as "dangerous religions" subject to surveillance. It still has followers both in Japan and also worldwide, in particular in some countries of the former Soviet Union. In 2016, police in Russia conducted a number of raids on suspected cult members in Moscow and St Petersburg.

Why has the execution been so delayed?

In Japan, death sentences are not carried out until the verdict against all accused and accomplices are final, with no pending appeals left against any of the group. The trials against the cult members only wrapped up in January this year after the supreme court upheld the verdict against one member sentenced to life in prison. Since an effective moratorium ended in 2010, Japan has executed as many as eight people a year. The death penalty is only used for serious cases of murder and is carried out by hanging.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
The Japanese wheels of justice seem rusted but better late than never.

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Stretchy Man

Professional
I like how the Japanese justice system deals with serious crime. They do give criminals a second chance by releasing them back into the community, but prison is no holiday camp. No bail either for those arrested for violent crime unlike many western countries.

The death penalty is only for the most horrific murderers with no chance of reform but even these animals are entitled to a legitimate appeal. More humane to kill them than lock them up forever.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
...but prison is no holiday camp. No bail either for those arrested for violent crime unlike many western countries...

If you’re implying that US prisons are a “holiday camp” you should do a couple of weeks at Rikers Island — a notoriously barbaric institution. I’m sure we can give the Japanese a run for their money. And certainly no one touches us on pure numbers for locking people up.

As you know, when you’re arrested in the US you’re presumed legally innocent and entitled to bail which can be subject to various conditions. You can also be denied bail under certain conditions for public safety reasons so I suspect not much difference with the Japanese.
 
I like how the Japanese justice system deals with serious crime. They do give criminals a second chance by releasing them back into the community, but prison is no holiday camp. No bail either for those arrested for violent crime unlike many western countries.

The death penalty is only for the most horrific murderers with no chance of reform but even these animals are entitled to a legitimate appeal. More humane to kill them than lock them up forever.

Always amazed me they let that cannibal lunatic out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I don't think they got twenty-three years extra as a favour.

They actually tested the sarin on sheep in Australia. They killed 29 of our finest!

Cults are strange things, indeed, as Americans would know all too well.

As was torturing people to a painful death on the subways. At least they got 23 years those innocent people they murdered never had.
 
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Deleted member 688153

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They don't deserve better, but they do deserve faster.
Whatever happened to dawn the following day?
Seriously. Death row is horrendously expensive in addition to the arguments you make here.
Let them speak to a priest overnight and there you go. Five men and a blindfold. The trials take ages anyway so plenty of time to get your affairs in order.
 
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Chadillac

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Twenty plus years on death row awaiting execution is clearly a form of torture.

Why do you feel sympathy? Whatever happens to them isnt enough, yet you pour a little bit of your 40oz out, celebrating a group that was intentional.

Put them in gerenal like the 11 men who stabbed the 15yr old boy, consequences have actions, shame its not being enforced. Let them get beaten every night like his parents feels.

Compassion for the enemy is how it begins
 
Why do you feel sympathy? Whatever happens to them isnt enough, yet you pour a little bit of your 40oz out, celebrating a group that was intentional.

Put them in gerenal like the 11 men who stabbed the 15yr old boy, consequences have actions, shame its not being enforced. Let them get beaten every night like his parents feels.

Compassion for the enemy is how it begins

I think terms like good & bad & evil are too simplistic, for this case though I struggle to find any other word than evil for that guy & his band of followers. For some reason I find this worse than the stuff the Islamic fanatics do. Might be that he just looked so horrible as well.
 
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Stretchy Man

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If you’re implying that US prisons are a “holiday camp” you should do a couple of weeks at Rikers Island — a notoriously barbaric institution. I’m sure we can give the Japanese a run for their money. And certainly no one touches us on pure numbers for locking people up.

Sorry could have made myself clearer. On one extreme you have the US with their 100 year prison sentences. The other extreme is progressive justice systems in countries like Australia and western European where it's very difficult to get locked up. Japan fits somewhere between these extremes.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You are exagferating rather outrageously about Australia, although where murders are concerned they can be a little on the lenient side.

A lot of violence occurs in domestic situations, however, and it's the more cooly-calculating murders that tend to get the severest sentences.

Sorry could have made myself clearer. On one extreme you have the US with their 100 year prison sentences. The other extreme is progressive justice systems in countries like Australia and western European where it's very difficult to get locked up. Japan fits somewhere between these extremes.
 
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Stretchy Man

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UN and Amnesty International are already complaining:

“We regret that seven people were today executed in Japan. Undeniably, it is crucial to deliver justice to the victims of these heinous crimes. But the death penalty only compounds injustice and is no greater deterrent than other forms of punishment.”

“Justice demands accountability but also respect for everyone's human rights. The death penalty can never deliver this as it is the ultimate denial of human rights.”

:rolleyes:
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Sorry could have made myself clearer. On one extreme you have the US with their 100 year prison sentences. The other extreme is progressive justice systems in countries like Australia and western European where it's very difficult to get locked up. Japan fits somewhere between these extremes.

Yeh, we're #1 !

I'm not sure making it "very difficult to get locked up" is progressive or irresponsible; I'd like to toss a few bankers in jail once in a blue moon...In any case these people were "bad hombres".

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Chadillac

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I think terms like good & bad & evil are too simplistic, for this case though I struggle to find any other word than evil for that guy & his band of followers. For some reason I find this worse than the stuff the Islamic fanatics do. Might be that he just looked so horrible as well.

Democrats call it diversity, we are the ones who should adapt to a lower standand (no child left behind is their philosophy). Not for me
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I am not an American and yet I know it was the Republican George W. Bush who invented the 'no child left behind' philosophy, so you need to bone up on recent political history.

Democrats call it diversity, we are the ones who should adapt to a lower standand (no child left behind is their philosophy). Not for me
 

dParis

Hall of Fame
UN and Amnesty International are already complaining:

“We regret that seven people were today executed in Japan. Undeniably, it is crucial to deliver justice to the victims of these heinous crimes. But the death penalty only compounds injustice and is no greater deterrent than other forms of punishment.”

“Justice demands accountability but also respect for everyone's human rights. The death penalty can never deliver this as it is the ultimate denial of human rights.”

:rolleyes:

How can an organization that stands behind such a statement be considered relevant?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The case against capital punishment has won the day, so the UN merely represents the global consensus.

Executions:

America: 23 in 2017

Venezuela: 0 since 1830

How can an organization that stands behind such a statement be considered relevant?
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
"Many" but not "all" or perhaps "some"; and "dregs" is not merely a reference to lack of wealth.

So come back when you have a point to make, as you are not even "mimicking" one.

Many countries with the death penalty are richer than Australia so unless you're just trying to be offensive by mimicking Trump, I really don't understand your point. :confused:
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I'm talking about how your imprecise use of language destroys what passes for an argument.

Your argument simply was that 'many' countries richer than Australia have the death penalty.

And this was somehow winning despite only 23 countries executing people in 2017.

Your argument is that a small number of rich countries execute people. That's a fact more than an argument.

My argument is that most of the countries that don't execute are more progressive along a series of indices, and most that do are the dregs.

China, North Korea, Yemen, and the US are the biggest so you see that wealth is not a good indicator of execution rate. Most that do are in Asia and the Middle East.

What are you talking about then?
 
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Stretchy Man

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I'm talking about how your imprecise use of language destroys what passes for an argument.

Your argument simply was that 'many' countries richer than Australia have the death penalty.

And this was somehow winning despite only 23 countries executing people in 2017.

Your argument is that a small number of rich countries execute people. That's a fact more than an argument.

My argument is that most of the countries that don't execute are more progressive along a series of indices, and most that do are the dregs.

China, North Korea, Yemen, and the US are the biggest so you see that wealth is not a good indicator of execution rate. Most that do are in Asia and the Middle East.

Thanks for clearing that up. I still think referring to countries as "dregs" is more than a little offensive, but I respect your opinion even if it is a minority view.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Capital punishment is a part of a generally poor human rights record, so that's why "dregs" is not inappropriate.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
The case against capital punishment has won the day, so the UN merely represents the global consensus.

Executions:

America: 23 in 2017

Venezuela: 0 since 1830

countries with the highest murder rates:
1) Ivory Coast
2) El Salvador
3) Honduras
4) Venezuela
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It is interesting that Venezuela can have a high murder rate and still eschew capital punishment.

The rates are not otherwise anomalous and that's what we look for 'anomalies'?

Venezuela might get lucky and be invaded by a foreign country bringing 'peace, love and understanding'.

countries with the highest murder rates:
1) Ivory Coast
2) El Salvador
3) Honduras
4) Venezuela
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeh, we're #1 !

I'm not sure making it "very difficult to get locked up" is progressive or irresponsible; I'd like to toss a few bankers in jail once in a blue moon...In any case these people were "bad hombres".

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It's probably the only Spanish word he knows, well except for that and anything like tacos, nachos, pupusas, etc. Methinks he's his fair share of pupusas in his life. ;)
 

dParis

Hall of Fame
The case against capital punishment has won the day, so the UN merely represents the global consensus.
The "global consensus" sometimes gets it wrong. And I've flipped my position on capital punishment to where I am against it in its current form. One single execution of the innocent, which has undoubtedly happened, is unacceptable, but I think it would be just, with a more rigorous and narrow sentencing standard.

This idea, endorsed by either the UN or AI (but likely both), that capital punishment is the ultimate violation of human rights, is unfortunately worded and/or tone-deaf, at the very least .
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Your position is pragmatic, whereas the UN has an in principle objection to capital punishment.

In the well-functioning democracies of the West it just does not seem necessary, to extend the pragmatic argument further.

If Anders Behring Brevik can get life in jail or 'containment' and yet Norway doesn't collapse, then the death penality really isn't necessary.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
If Anders Behring Brevik can get life in jail or 'containment' and yet Norway doesn't collapse, then the death penality really isn't necessary

He was actually sentenced to 21 years (of which he may not have to serve more than 10) which is the usual maximum for any crime in Norway. His sentence can only be extended if he gives evidence while in prison of still being a threat to others.
 
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