topspin underhand second serve and tennis magazine

Tim Tennis

Professional
The Pusher Terminator said:
Did anyone see the article in this months Tennis magazine about the underhand serve. It basically said to hit a topspin ground stroke as a second serve. Sounds so cool...but i think I would be kicked out of my club. Has anyone ever actually tried the topspin underhand serve?

Check out this crazy underhanded side spin serve:


http://tennis.about.com/od/serve/a/serveundsidevid.htm?once=true&

I saw it. I will use it sometimes when the sun is in a positon that it seems like no matter what I do I look right into it.
 

kevhen

Hall of Fame
One guy from Argentina uses it here for all of his serves. He has a heavy forehand already so it's basically the same as his forehand but is like 50-60mph so rather slow compared to most 4.0 level servers I play against so I do move in and attack it. His daughter won state a couple years ago but she had a normal overhead serve.
 

goober

Legend
Nuke said:
Not topspin at all. He's chopping it -- heavy backspin & sidespin.


The one in the video is not the same thing they are talking about in tennis magazine. 2 different serves although both are underhand.

I doubt that you could hit an underhand topspin serve with any serious pace. But the article did say it was for people who were dinking their second serves in.
 

joe sch

Legend
That advice was sorta last resort for an amatuer with a weak 2nd serve.
Just think about it, a topspin bounce inside the service line will destroyed by most advanced players unless is a surprise tactic and even then, it better be a good drop shot or have some wicked sidespin
 

Midlife crisis

Hall of Fame
The Pusher Terminator said:
Did anyone see the article in this months Tennis magazine about the underhand serve. It basically said to hit a topspin ground stroke as a second serve. Sounds so cool...but i think I would be kicked out of my club. Has anyone ever actually tried the topspin underhand serve?

Check out this crazy underhanded side spin serve:


http://tennis.about.com/od/serve/a/serveundsidevid.htm?once=true&

I can hit a serve that I toss way out to the side and just about the same height as the top of my head. It will curve two to three feet in the air, and then bounce sideways when it bounces. I can usually get it to hit the side net ten feet short of the baseline, and the first several times people see it, it is just not returnable with any sort of pace. However, just like you, I'd never use it since I like my tennis club too.
 

Boris

Rookie
TENNIS_99 said:
they are running out of materials to publish?...:D

Yeah, same for the underspin serve article in turbo tennis. Who wants to put some effort in learning an underhand or underspin serve, rather than perfecting a slice/kick/twist serve?
 
Nuke said:
Not topspin at all. He's chopping it -- heavy backspin & sidespin.


I know that. The article in Tennis magazine is a topspin serve. I was simply illustrating a sidespin underhand serve. I understand that they are completely differnt. However they both seem like pretty effective underhand serves. I have never actually seen the underhand topspin serve that they talk about in Tennis magazine.
 

kevhen

Hall of Fame
I guess this serve is for 2.5 and 3.0 players who just want a solid second serve where they don't dink or doublefault so much. Some people have shoulder injuries too that don't allow them to serve overhead.

The 4.0 Argentine guy I play with who has this serve, probably never learned the proper overhead serving (throwing motion) technique since throwing baseballs and footballs doesn't happen in Argentina where they mostly just kick soccer footballs.

This serve will only hold up to 3.5 level. It's his biggest weakness as a 4.0 but he has like a 4.5 forehand to compensate.
 

Val

New User
For me, this is a question of etiqutte. Is it kosher to pull something like that off, given that it must surely take your opponent off his/her rhythm a bit. I practised it a bit and from the ad side, I was hitting the T regularly.

When I pitched, I had three pitches, fast ball with great control and curve with no control and a screwball. I only threw that pitch five or six times a game, but it was a nice pitch to have, just because I always got strikes. Seems to me like I could disguise the underhand serve easier than I could the screwball.
 

Freedom

Professional
I don't think it would be accepted at a tournament. Sure, there's no rule against it, but no, it's not really kosher.

Hitting a topspin groundie or a kick serve...I think I'll stay with the kick...
 

kevhen

Hall of Fame
It's legal and kosher. It's also a weak way to serve and you wouldn't last too long in a tournament with decent players and a forehand groundstroke serve.
 
Val said:
For me, this is a question of etiqutte. Is it kosher to pull something like that off, given that it must surely take your opponent off his/her rhythm a bit. I practised it a bit and from the ad side, I was hitting the T regularly.

When I pitched, I had three pitches, fast ball with great control and curve with no control and a screwball. I only threw that pitch five or six times a game, but it was a nice pitch to have, just because I always got strikes. Seems to me like I could disguise the underhand serve easier than I could the screwball.


I believe that you are confusing mixing dairy products with meat products....but mixing overhead serves with underhand serves is completely Kosher.
 

nViATi

Hall of Fame
If you use it sparingly in a match it can help to screw with your opponent. In addition, when they don't move back to the middle fast, you can pass them :p
 

paulfreda

Hall of Fame
Legal and ethical/Kosher for sure.
If you can hit the corners with disguise and with the pace you have when hitting the first ball of a warmup ralley, it could even be a weapon.

I love the idea of using it when there is brutal sun or wind to deal with.

Bobby Riggs would have loved it although I never saw him use it.
 
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