beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Kyrhole is a whiny girl. No Alpha in him
Ultimate Alpha Male Player?
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Beckerserve
Legend
BORIS BECKER!!.
Intimidated opposition players physically sometimes barging them at change of ends and had loads of hot women and did not shy away from fact he made a woman pregnant on a stair case.
Guy oozes alphaness. Dare i say a throw back to when men were real men.
All this crying the male players do nowadays when they win is tragic.
Boris was the ultimate role model for real men.
Beckerserve
Legend
Djokovic cried in public.
Djokovic got his rear end handed to him by roddick in the locker room and needed his team to help save him from a beatdown. He goes to energy pyramids after being slapped down by his great rival.
Not alpha behaviour. An alpha would take a break from tennis after such a defeat and get drunk play cards and misbehave.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Alpha male by dictionary definition just means the dominant male in a group. Otherwise, context matters a lot in terms of what traits you would ascribe to an alpha male. For instance, a CEO might be an alpha male in a corporate boardroom or industry conference, but he will likely be at the bottom of the totem pole if he goes to prison (white-collar crime, anyone?) or if he is in a locker room filled with better athletes than him.
The traits that are being thrown about above reveal more about each poster than anything else. If you ask men in different social levels, eduction levels, professions, age groups etc., they would list different traits for what they consider an alpha male. Also, if you ask a bunch of attractive women who is an alpha male they would want to sleep with or have a relationship with, you might get different answers than if you asked guys who they would think is an alpha male.
My definition of an alpha male would be someone who is a leader of a group, would be good to go to battle with against enemies/competitors, but treats peers/friends/other team members with respect and is very self-aware and self-confident. Men should want to be him because of his easy assertive leadership skills, enemies should fear him because he is a tough warrior/competitor and women should want to have relationships with him because he projects that he will love them well and take care of their happiness. In a high school or college context, a prime example would be the record-setting quarterback of the football team who wins games against other schools, but is loved by his team-mates and friends because he treats them well - also he gets his share of dates if he doesn’t behave like an arrogant jerk around women. There‘s a fine line between self-confidence and arrogance and a lot of it depends on how you treat other people who you don’t have an obligation or responsibility to treat well.
For tennis players, by definition the top ranked players are the dominant ones on court and in the locker room. Who knows enough about their private lives outside of their carefully curated PR images to know how alpha they are outside of tennis? It is not a surprise that the top ranked players usually get elected as the leaders of players associations, organize tournaments/exhibitions, negotiate on behalf of players etc. as they are the accepted leaders of the group.
The traits that are being thrown about above reveal more about each poster than anything else. If you ask men in different social levels, eduction levels, professions, age groups etc., they would list different traits for what they consider an alpha male. Also, if you ask a bunch of attractive women who is an alpha male they would want to sleep with or have a relationship with, you might get different answers than if you asked guys who they would think is an alpha male.
My definition of an alpha male would be someone who is a leader of a group, would be good to go to battle with against enemies/competitors, but treats peers/friends/other team members with respect and is very self-aware and self-confident. Men should want to be him because of his easy assertive leadership skills, enemies should fear him because he is a tough warrior/competitor and women should want to have relationships with him because he projects that he will love them well and take care of their happiness. In a high school or college context, a prime example would be the record-setting quarterback of the football team who wins games against other schools, but is loved by his team-mates and friends because he treats them well - also he gets his share of dates if he doesn’t behave like an arrogant jerk around women. There‘s a fine line between self-confidence and arrogance and a lot of it depends on how you treat other people who you don’t have an obligation or responsibility to treat well.
For tennis players, by definition the top ranked players are the dominant ones on court and in the locker room. Who knows enough about their private lives outside of their carefully curated PR images to know how alpha they are outside of tennis? It is not a surprise that the top ranked players usually get elected as the leaders of players associations, organize tournaments/exhibitions, negotiate on behalf of players etc. as they are the accepted leaders of the group.
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King No1e
G.O.A.T.
@Nole Slam
It's easily Pancho Gonzalez. He was the son of poor immigrants (his first racquet cost 51 cents) so he couldn’t afford lessons. This led to him freaking teaching himself how to play. Given his race and class standing, his rise was even more impressive since tennis was even more elitist then. He frequently got into trouble with the law so at one point he was banned from playing junior tournaments. The guy was pretty much the embodiment of a middle finger to the establishment from day 1.
Probably the best display of how alpha he was, came at Wimby 1969. At the ripe age of 41 (eat your heart out Ol' Rog) Pancho was playing Charlie Pasarell who was 16 years his junior. Pancho would go down 2-0 when play was then suspended due to the setting sun. The next day, he came out super aggressive and started clawing his way back into the match. Charlie would then resort to pusher tatics by hitting low weak returns and lobs to try and tire Pancho out. It was here where Pancho famously said “I know what you’re trying to do Charlie, and it’s not going to work.” Along the way, he would save 7 MP, and twice came back from 0-40. The final score was 22–24, 1–6, 16–14, 6–3, 11–9. By game count, it was the longest match of all time until Isner v Mahut broke the record in 2010. It was because of this match that we now have tie-breaks.
Lastly, he is also the only player to be inducted into the HOF while he was still playing. If that's not alpha idk what is.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Or lock himself in a room for a whole day, read philosophy, reconnect with the passion that drove him to where he was in the first place, and come out more driven and focused than ever.
That's what Tsitsipas did after one of his mega-chokes. He can be a real whinger on the court, but his off-court attitude really impresses me.
skaj
Legend
You don't seem to really understand alphas, betas, gammas nor deltas, and it's not because you can't speak Greek.
skaj
Legend
Ivanisevic with his bitchy statements about Monica Seles could not be alpha male. Becker with his personal life either.
Beckerserve
Legend
But Tsitsipas has not yet done anything of note this year?
I don't know what Ivanisevic said about Seles and what Becker has done after tennis has nothing to do with who he was on the court
RiverRat
Professional
As @socallefty said, an alpha by definition is a leader, which doesn't immediately come to mind with any of the players on the list. In my mind Arthur Ashe might be a candidate. Hell, Billy Jean King is more of an alpha male than most of these petulant pansies, especially Connors who fortunately didn't make the list. I've got nothing against Sampras; he seems like a regular dude. But I would be more apt to follow Arthur Ashe into battle, politically, or in any other matter, than any of these other characters. Looking or acting alpha is just not the same thing.
stingstang
Professional
Nick is the ultimate soy boy.
Of current players, the closest has to be Stan.
Of current players, the closest has to be Stan.
heftylefty
Hall of Fame
My pick is Borg. He didn't craved the spotlight...the spotlight craved him.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Awesome poast. Loud laughter
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Nice call on Stan!
Didn't realise this was an old thread. You beat me by six months.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
This was in mid-2019. He went on to beat Djokovic in Shanghai and win WTF. Not too bad!
EDIT: he looks about to lose right now. 1/7 on break points....how do you even
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
It’s all about the slams. Atleast a masters.
An all star exhibition isn’t worth all that much
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Even Nadal treats WTF as more than an "all star exhibition." Just because the recent champions are all players who are actually in their prime doesn't make it a joke tournament.
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
Not really.
Fabresque
Legend
My pet gerbil is more of an alpha male than Zverev, and he doesn’t even exist.Nobody has mentioned this guy yet:
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Joke died like 5 years ago
Beckerserve
Legend
His BH has gone backwards. He needs to work on that big time. Its a get out of jail free cars for players now. X
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Sorry_to_tell_you_mate
Professional
Nole_The_Champion
Semi-Pro
The wolf in front of them all.
Swingmaster
Hall of Fame
I haven't read many replies, but Hewitt has to be up there. He had that perpetual scowl. Safin was the coolest but he got pretty down on himself.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Actually, an Alpha would do what Nadal described in his book - be back on the practice court less than a day after the most crushing loss of his life, busting his @$$ like nothing happened.
Pete too was emotional like a cry baby when he won.
Should add medvedev....iam never seen him giving any serious emotions while winning big events.
Sunny014
Legend
From the options it is either of Sampras or Safin.
I am leaning towards Safin since Sampras was silent and introvert types, plus he was too boring.
Safin was badass, had the aura and I don't think anyone can trash talk with Safin and gamewise too he had the game to overpower "anyone", even the big 3 included. Sadly Safin had a very poor work ethic, extremely poor, almost Kyrgios like. He could have been a legit 7-8 slams winner with a better ethic, he was touted as the successor of Sampras and had impressive performance vs high ranked players, but then he lost mysteriously too, lack of effort and training + mood fluctuations.
In the post Safin era, Fed has the aura of an alpha but the way he has been losing to Djokodal, he has been forced to eat humble pie on countless occasions, Nadal was never an alpha, so we can ignore him, Novak ? .... Yes he has the dominance but the aura is missing because of the presence of Fedal who have been more popular than him.
So definitely - Marat Safin
I am leaning towards Safin since Sampras was silent and introvert types, plus he was too boring.
Safin was badass, had the aura and I don't think anyone can trash talk with Safin and gamewise too he had the game to overpower "anyone", even the big 3 included. Sadly Safin had a very poor work ethic, extremely poor, almost Kyrgios like. He could have been a legit 7-8 slams winner with a better ethic, he was touted as the successor of Sampras and had impressive performance vs high ranked players, but then he lost mysteriously too, lack of effort and training + mood fluctuations.
In the post Safin era, Fed has the aura of an alpha but the way he has been losing to Djokodal, he has been forced to eat humble pie on countless occasions, Nadal was never an alpha, so we can ignore him, Novak ? .... Yes he has the dominance but the aura is missing because of the presence of Fedal who have been more popular than him.
So definitely - Marat Safin
guanzishou
G.O.A.T.
skaj
Legend
Rafa beta rear end:
Novak the Alpha:
This is alpha male, not alpha clown thread.
skaj
Legend
The wolf in front of them all.
There was a wolf in front of them at the photo shoot?
skaj
Legend
Wasn't Hewitt a racist brat?
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
That's an underrated kit in the Djokovic picture. Almost forgot it existed!Rafa beta rear end:
Novak the Alpha:
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Deleted member 771911
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I don’t think we need to look too far here now lol
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Safin was too temperamental; Lendl and Sampras strike me as more Alpha.
Swingmaster
Hall of Fame
Should racism be a disqualification for alpha status? I suppose it should.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Hewitt eventually matured into a class act by the end of his career, but young Lleyton wasn't exactly "Alpha".
Excessively picking fights with officials and judges isn't really a sign of dominance.
skaj
Legend
Yes, I think alphas are strong.
skaj
Legend
Lendl had too many nasty, bitchy moments.