When tennis becomes populaar in the black community

When tennis becomes popular in the black community, I think US tennis will be taken to the next level. They represent a large pool of athletic talent that is yet to really catch onto the sport of tennis. What are your takes on this?
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Who knows really?

There are few high-skill, individual sports which African Americans have every really got involved or, more importantly, excelled at in large numbers. There may be reasons for this which aren't understood yet. It could be what they're pushed into by their parents, schools or singled out for by the skillset they display.

I imagine it's easier to stand out as a potential football or basketball talent earlier than it is to identify someone who has both the skill and mind to be great at tennis sometime 15-odd years in the future after almost daily nurturing and coaching. It's a huge lottery in tennis to pick if someone will turn out any good.
 
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r2473

G.O.A.T.
Why would anyone with athletic talent "waste" it on a sport like tennis?

If you turn out to be in the upper .0000001% and are 100 in the world for example, your reward is a tough life of traveling and pretty much no cash.

If you are the 100th best soccer, football, basketball, or baseball player, you are a god and a multimillionaire.

In short, only rich white folks are dumb enough to pour their money into tennis when there is little if any return on investment (except for the intangibles).
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
What about the rest who don't make it in Basketball or Football?

If they started playing tennis in large numbers, surely they can do at least as well as others if not better.
 
If you turn out to be in the upper .0000001% and are 100 in the world for example, your reward is a tough life of traveling and pretty much no cash.

Any sport in which an athlete is a professional in will require a large amount of traveling, even more so in sports such as basketball or football. And for the "no cash", check http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx. The current guy ranked 100 has made over $300,000 this year, and made 4.24 million in his career. I wouldn't say that's no cash.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I would say that even if only the other-sports rejects in the African-American community take up tennis, the standard will vastly increase. Their success will be disproportionate to the representation - see Tsonga and Monfils from France, or Young, Townsend, Williams, etc in the US.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Let's just say that I don't expect tennis to be popular in the black community anytime soon.

Can you tell me why you think it will?
 
Just imagine a guy like Lebron James playing tennis.:shock: 6'8", faster than Nadal, and stronger than any other tennis player. If US tennis brings someone like that to the sport, the rest of the world better watch out. Maybe he'll pull a Jordan but play tennis instead of baseball...
 

NickC

Professional
Just imagine a guy like Lebron James playing tennis.:shock: 6'8", faster than Nadal, and stronger than any other tennis player. If US tennis brings someone like that to the sport, the rest of the world better watch out. Maybe he'll pull a Jordan but play tennis instead of baseball...

LBJ wouldn't be a good tennis player, I think. A good athlete playing tennis? Yes. But a good tennis player, no. Too big of a dude, at the end of the day. You don't need to be 280 pounds of muscle to play tennis.
 

WildVolley

Legend
I'm not sure I'm buying this whole premise. There are a lot of good athletes, black and white, who don't play tennis and that's unlikely to change much in future generations.

The one area in which blacks of West African descent seem to have a clear advantage is in the full out sprint, most likely because of more fast twitch muscle fibers and very short calve muscles. While it is helpful to have this speed (Monfils, Tsonga), it doesn't seem to be enough of an advantage to assure some sort of dominance in tennis.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
I think there are several faces popping up in the juniors who could inspire others

There are several black juniors that you believe will be highly ranked on the main tour in the next few years? Care to tell me who they are?

Or do you think "others" will be inspired by a journeyman caliber (or lower) ranked player?

"Hey look at Lebron. He probably could have owned the NBA, but now he's the #150 ranked male player in the world. We should all pick up tennis".
 
There are several black juniors that you believe will be highly ranked on the main tour in the next few years? Care to tell me who they are?
Taylor Townsend, Sloane Stephens, Donald Young, Gabrielle Andrews (potentially), Victoria Duval, Megan Moulton-Levy, as well as a few others that may have the potential but are yet to prove themselves in competition.
 

chrischris

G.O.A.T.
I think they can do great for tennis , like athletics and basketball favor a tall sinewy kind of bodytype.

If the means are there , they can thrive and add a lot to our sport and its quite welcome as we have no real prospects or talent to defend our proud standing and tradition in tennis.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Taylor Townsend, Sloane Stephens, Donald Young, Gabrielle Andrews (potentially), Victoria Duval, Megan Moulton-Levy, as well as a few others that may have the potential but are yet to prove themselves in competition.

You named one male "junior"......and he's 23 years old :-| And a journeyman (basically).

Why don't you add Serena and Venus to your list? Maybe Arthur Ashe?

Seriously, why do you think that tennis will become popular in the black community?
 
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Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Just imagine a guy like Lebron James playing tennis.:shock: 6'8", faster than Nadal, and stronger than any other tennis player. If US tennis brings someone like that to the sport, the rest of the world better watch out...
Um, slower than Nadal in tennis conditions, more injury prone (because of the extra height and weight), probably has lower fitness potential than a tennis player in terms of the sort of length and frequency tennis matches require (perhaps he could have tailored himself to tennis - but he's have to train differently and perhaps couldn't hack it.. .who knows).

He could even be too uncoordinated to or lack the aptitude to play tennis at any remotely respectable level. And this could be the case even if he'd started when he was 5 years old. You can never know. I've seen guys who are awesome at other sports who play tennis about as well as I did when I was 12 - and they play regularly.

In-short - there is little to give any indication Lebron James would be a good tennis player at all. It's just wishful imaginings of people who seem to vastly skim over the skillset required to be a good tennis player.
 
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sonicare

Hall of Fame
Um, slower than Nadal in tennis conditions, more injury prone (because of the extra height and weight), probably has lower fitness potential than a tennis player in terms of the sort of length and frequency tennis matches require (perhaps he could have tailored himself to tennis - but he's have to train differently and perhaps couldn't hack it.. .who knows).

He could even be too uncoordinated to or lack the aptitude to play tennis at any remotely respectable level. And this could be the case even if he'd started when he was 5 years old. You can never know. I've seen guys who are awesome at other sports who play tennis about as well as I did when I was 12 - and they play regularly.

In-short - there is little to give any indication Lebron James would be a good tennis player at all. It's just wishful imaginings of people who seem to vastly skim over the skillset required to be a good tennis player.

+1.............
 
Fact check.

Um, slower than Nadal in tennis conditions, more injury prone (because of the extra height and weight), probably has lower fitness potential than a tennis player in terms of the sort of length and frequency tennis matches require (perhaps he could have tailored himself to tennis - but he's have to train differently and perhaps couldn't hack it.. .who knows).

He could even be too uncoordinated to or lack the aptitude to play tennis at any remotely respectable level.

Part 1: Slower than Nadal in tennis conditions? If you've ever watched Lebron play, you'd know his lateral movement is incredible, he runs straight ahead very fast, and can stop on a dime.
Part 2: I would tend to agree with this, if it hadn't been for Lebron's overall health. He has sprained his left ankle only a few times in his career in the much more bodily demanding sports of basketball.
Part 3: Lower fitness potential? This made me laugh. They run about 3 miles a game- the same as tennis pro's, but are forced to do it in about a third of the time, and get pushed around while doing so.
Part 4: Length and frequency of tennis matches. In tennis there is more just standing around than there is actual play. Matches are also played much less frequently than basketball.
Part 5: Too uncoordinated. Again, you've obviously never watched him play.
And when you're benching 350, and are 6'8", you may never have to even hit a second ball on your serve, ace, ace, ace. Nice try, but before you try to say how bad someone is, you should really watch them play. I never said he would be the greatest player ever in tennis, merely that with his talent and skill assets, it seems he could be dominant, IF he were to play.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Part 1: Slower than Nadal in tennis conditions? If you've ever watched Lebron play, you'd know his lateral movement is incredible, he runs straight ahead very fast, and can stop on a dime.
I have watched him play. He could still completely suck at tennis movement. Basketball players guys do ****-all explosive lateral movement compared to tennis players. The vast majority of their distance is running 3/4 pace to the other end of the court. In tennis conditions - running side to side 10m back and forth over and over - Nadal, not to mention Federer, Djokovic etc would still be doing it at a canter while James had already thrown in the white flag. A guy his size has no chance at the sort of movement required to play tennis at the very top level when you also factor in the duration and frequency of matches. If he was lighter perhaps he'd be closer - but then he probably wouldn't be the basketball player he is either in that case.

Part 3: Lower fitness potential? This made me laugh. They run about 3 miles a game- the same as tennis pro's, but are forced to do it in about a third of the time, and get pushed around while doing so.
Call me when a basketball player plays 90 entire matches a year - that go 1.5-4 times the length of a basketball match. Also - most of this distance, as I said above, is little more than jogging to the other end of the court. And most of them do it without much coordination or concentration required since they don't have the ball.

Part 4: Length and frequency of tennis matches. In tennis there is more just standing around than there is actual play. Matches are also played much less frequently than basketball.
Tennis matches are played with more frequency than basketball when they're in tournament mode. At the majors it's every second day for two weeks - with no substitutes, days off, no sharing the workload with anyone else etc. At lower level tournaments they can play five matches in 7 days.

Part 5: Too uncoordinated. Again, you've obviously never watched him play.
I have, you are wrong. He could be as coordinated at tennis as a 12 year old girl for all we know - in fact the anecdotal evidence backs me up. No-one who excelled at another sport ever showed up in tennis and was any good at all. You have nothing to go on other than he can catch/pass/shoot a basketball. That's about as relevant as saying a Dentist would make a good golfer because they're practised at fine hand movements and have steady hands.

And when you're benching 350, and are 6'8", you may never have to even hit a second ball on your serve, ace, ace, ace.
Utterly, utterly irrelevant details with regards to the benching amount. Strength of that sort plays almost no part in serving technique or quality. In fact being that sort of strength would be more likely to inhibit a serve by way of lack of flexibility.

Learn something about the difference in sports instead of licking the arse of your favourite basketball hero before you come back and comment.
 
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sonicare

Hall of Fame
I have watched him play. He could still completely suck at tennis movement. Basketball players guys do ****-all explosive lateral movement compared to tennis players. The vast majority of their distance is running 3/4 pace to the other end of the court. In tennis conditions - running side to side 10m back and forth over and over - Nadal, not to mention Federer, Djokovic etc would still be doing it at a canter while James had already thrown in the white flag. A guy his size has no chance at the sort of movement required to play tennis at the very top level when you also factor in the duration and frequency of matches. If he was lighter perhaps he'd be closer - but then he probably wouldn't be the basketball player he is either in that case.


Call me when a basketball player plays 90 entire matches a year - that go 1.5-4 times the length of a basketball match. Also - most of this distance, as I said above, is little more than jogging to the other end of the court. And most of them do it without much coordination or concentration required since they don't have the ball.


Tennis matches are played with more frequency than basketball when they're in tournament mode. At the majors it's every second day for two weeks - with no substitutes, days off, no sharing the workload with anyone else etc. At lower level tournaments they can play five matches in 7 days.


I have, you are wrong. He could be as coordinated at tennis as a 12 year old girl for all we know - in fact the anecdotal evidence backs me up. No-one who excelled at another sport ever showed up in tennis and was any good at all. You have nothing to go on other than he can catch/pass/shoot a basketball. That's about as relevant as saying a Dentist would make a good golfer because they're practised at fine hand movements and have steady hands.


Utterly, utterly irrelevant details with regards to the benching amount. Strength of that sort plays almost no part in serving technique or quality. In fact being that sort of strength would be more likely to inhibit a serve by way of lack of flexibility.

Learn something about the difference in sports instead of licking the arse of your favourite basketball hero before you come back and comment.

amazing post. you completely owned that bball brown nosing clown
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
I'm not sure I'm buying this whole premise. There are a lot of good athletes, black and white, who don't play tennis and that's unlikely to change much in future generations.

The one area in which blacks of West African descent seem to have a clear advantage is in the full out sprint, most likely because of more fast twitch muscle fibers and very short calve muscles. While it is helpful to have this speed (Monfils, Tsonga), it doesn't seem to be enough of an advantage to assure some sort of dominance in tennis.

Tsonga should not even be mentioned. His footspeed is not exceptional by any means like Monfils' is. There are many guys who are quicker than him.
 

goober

Legend
Any sport in which an athlete is a professional in will require a large amount of traveling, even more so in sports such as basketball or football. And for the "no cash", check http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx. The current guy ranked 100 has made over $300,000 this year, and made 4.24 million in his career. I wouldn't say that's no cash.

Taking a single person and extrapolating that if you are ranked in the top 100 you will be making bank is ridiculous. The current 100th ranked player, Dmitry Tursunov, was ranked as high as 20 and spent a considerable amount of time in the top 50. He has won 7 ATP titles. He has played Davis Cup for Russia. He basically is at the end of his career.

I would not classify him as a top 100 player but more of a top 30-50 player. He is definitely in the upper echelon of tennis players. When people talk about a top 100 player, it means they spent their career around there.
 

goober

Legend
Taylor Townsend, Sloane Stephens, Donald Young, Gabrielle Andrews (potentially), Victoria Duval, Megan Moulton-Levy, as well as a few others that may have the potential but are yet to prove themselves in competition.

Donald Young? Uh I think that boat has sailed a long time ago. He has been on the pro tour for a long time and is only 2 years younger than Andy Murray.

Currently Jack sock (19), Ryan Harrison (20), Steve Johnson (22), Dennis Kudla (20) are all US players that are younger than him and ranked higher than him. He might be able to get back into the top 100 at some point but he is long past the point of high potential junior or young adult.
 

Sander001

Hall of Fame
Part 1: Slower than Nadal in tennis conditions? If you've ever watched Lebron play, you'd know his lateral movement is incredible, he runs straight ahead very fast, and can stop on a dime.
Part 2: I would tend to agree with this, if it hadn't been for Lebron's overall health. He has sprained his left ankle only a few times in his career in the much more bodily demanding sports of basketball.
Part 3: Lower fitness potential? This made me laugh. They run about 3 miles a game- the same as tennis pro's, but are forced to do it in about a third of the time, and get pushed around while doing so.
Part 4: Length and frequency of tennis matches. In tennis there is more just standing around than there is actual play. Matches are also played much less frequently than basketball.
Part 5: Too uncoordinated. Again, you've obviously never watched him play.
And when you're benching 350, and are 6'8", you may never have to even hit a second ball on your serve, ace, ace, ace. Nice try, but before you try to say how bad someone is, you should really watch them play. I never said he would be the greatest player ever in tennis, merely that with his talent and skill assets, it seems he could be dominant, IF he were to play.
And this is the post where we found out that you're trolling. Good play, had me for a while but you went a little too far, too soon.
 

gregor.b

Professional
Why would anyone with athletic talent "waste" it on a sport like tennis?

If you turn out to be in the upper .0000001% and are 100 in the world for example, your reward is a tough life of traveling and pretty much no cash.

If you are the 100th best soccer, football, basketball, or baseball player, you are a god and a multimillionaire.

In short, only rich white folks are dumb enough to pour their money into tennis when there is little if any return on investment (except for the intangibles).

Ouch. Although, to be fair, it does put things into perspective.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
And this is the post where we found out that you're trolling. Good play, had me for a while but you went a little too far, too soon.
Pretty much. I still replied to his post anyway. It wasn't exactly hard to poke holes in most of the comments.
 

davo81

New User
The current guy ranked 100 has made over $300,000 this year, and made 4.24 million in his career. I wouldn't say that's no cash.

He hasn't made $300,000. That's his prize money, from which you have to subtract a huge amount for travel, coaching, etc. If you play a team sport you have zero deductions since the team pays for travel, coaching, and so on. I think r2473 has really made an interesting point that I've never thought about - and I think it's a valid one.

As for the actual topic of this thread: I think it's all about critical mass. Where I live almost everybody who plays tennis is "white". I know two black guys, one Indian guy and one Indian girl but that's about it. People pick sports that their parents used to play and/or watch, sports that their friends play and/or watch - and sports that give them "role models" to aspire to. On all three counts tennis is, unfortunately, still not that interesting for black people.
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
Why would anyone with athletic talent "waste" it on a sport like tennis?

If you turn out to be in the upper .0000001% and are 100 in the world for example, your reward is a tough life of traveling and pretty much no cash.

If you are the 100th best soccer, football, basketball, or baseball player, you are a god and a multimillionaire.

In short, only rich white folks are dumb enough to pour their money into tennis when there is little if any return on investment (except for the intangibles).

Really ends the thread. It wouldn't be worth the effort or expense for most people.

This is at least part of why US tennis is failing against countries like Spain and France. Even for rich kids in the US, if you are a good athlete, you're better off spending your time in a batting cage then hitting tennis balls. Tennis is about 6th on the list of sports most kids would even consider..behind Football, Basketball, Soccer, Lacrosse, Ice Hockey, (although that can be really expensive too), wrestling, swimming.

Lacrosse and wrestling have more college scholarships available, even with no money to be made professionally, so even that is a better investment of time.

I love tennis, but to be really good you need to play all year round and you need good coaching. That means that it's expensive in most of the country, and really expensive in cold weather areas.
 

goober

Legend
Really ends the thread. It wouldn't be worth the effort or expense for most people.

This is at least part of why US tennis is failing against countries like Spain and France. Even for rich kids in the US, if you are a good athlete, you're better off spending your time in a batting cage then hitting tennis balls. Tennis is about 6th on the list of sports most kids would even consider..behind Football, Basketball, Soccer, Lacrosse, Ice Hockey, (although that can be really expensive too), wrestling, swimming.

Lacrosse and wrestling have more college scholarships available, even with no money to be made professionally, so even that is a better investment of time.

I love tennis, but to be really good you need to play all year round and you need good coaching. That means that it's expensive in most of the country, and really expensive in cold weather areas.

If money was the only consideration, then yes you might be correct. There are many sports which have very little in return financially for how much you train- (i.e most Olympic sports that are only competed seriously every 4 years). I have 2 daughters that are in figure skating. The costs are high for coaching and ice time, but I am not really looking at it as a financial investment. Any college scholies they get are going to be academic. There is no pro potential or college scholies available for skating. So is it a waste? Not for them or for me.
 

krz

Professional
Why would anyone with athletic talent "waste" it on a sport like tennis?

If you turn out to be in the upper .0000001% and are 100 in the world for example, your reward is a tough life of traveling and pretty much no cash.

If you are the 100th best soccer, football, basketball, or baseball player, you are a god and a multimillionaire.

This. All the fame and fortune is in other sports.

The 100th ranked NFL player ranked by NFL.com is Chris Johnson.

Given his 50mil contract I think I'd rather be the massive bust that is CJ2K than Olivier Rochus.

Not to mention your paycheck is not completely tied to performance.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
This. All the fame and fortune is in other sports.

The 100th ranked NFL player ranked by NFL.com is Chris Johnson.

Given his 50mil contract I think I'd rather be the massive bust that is CJ2K than Olivier Rochus.

Not to mention your paycheck is not completely tied to performance.

Look at the physiques of Chris Johnson and Olivier Rochus, starting with their heights. It is only in tennis that someone like Rochus can make even some money.
 

WildVolley

Legend
Tsonga should not even be mentioned. His footspeed is not exceptional by any means like Monfils' is. There are many guys who are quicker than him.

Good point. I really don't know how fast Tsonga is, and in any case he has only half West African genetics.

LeBron is an exceptional athlete but doesn't really have a good body type for tennis. It makes more sense to think about Michael Jordan at his prime as a tennis player, because at least he wasn't carrying all that unnecessary body weight. LeBron's weight is good for muscling guys out of the way, but that isn't needed in tennis and would just beat up his body.

There should be more black and asian professional tennis players just based on the population of say China and Africa. But both places are too poor to have a lot of tennis courts and players. I don't see that changing anytime soon, but my guess is we'll see more asians due to China growing in wealth faster.

Tennis doesn't seem to be growing in popularity among black athletes in the US. I've heard from other coaches that football and basketball are becoming so dominant that a lot of black athletes aren't running track or playing baseball anymore at the high school level. So from what I've heard, the trend is actually moving in the opposite direction.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
If money was the only consideration, then yes you might be correct. There are many sports which have very little in return financially for how much you train- (i.e most Olympic sports that are only competed seriously every 4 years). I have 2 daughters that are in figure skating. The costs are high for coaching and ice time, but I am not really looking at it as a financial investment. Any college scholies they get are going to be academic. There is no pro potential or college scholies available for skating. So is it a waste? Not for them or for me.

But are your daughters athletic phenoms that are going to be professional athletes? Are they choosing between pro careers in figure skating, tennis, or basketball? It's actually hard to make this discussion about females because they already have limited possibilities in the world of professional sport. It's easier to think in terms of males.

I certainly wouldn't disagree that there are enormous benefits to playing sport. But the OP seemed to be asking about the impact black athletes will make in tennis on the biggest stage. The best athletes simply don't pursue tennis. This is certainly true in America, and pretty true in the rest of the world (soccer and others).
 
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UCSF2012

Hall of Fame
Different skill sets for different sports. Don't tell me a 300lb NFL linebacker can excel in tennis, because they have awesome athleticism.

Basketball players have chicken legs. Even Lebron has some scrawny ass legs. Granted Fed doesn't exactly have Michael Chang legs, but he has more meat on them than Lebron.
 
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goober

Legend
But are your daughters athletic phenoms that are going to be professional athletes? Are they choosing between pro careers in figure skating, tennis, or basketball? It's actually hard to make this discussion about females because they already have limited possibilities in the world of professional sport. It's easier to think in terms of males.

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No they are obviously not, but if they were, I still wouldn't try to push them into a sport for the purposes of what will reap the largest possible financial gain.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
No they are obviously not, but if they were, I still wouldn't try to push them into a sport for the purposes of what will reap the largest possible financial gain.

If you were a black mother with a gifted son you might.

By and large, tennis players come from "comfortable" families. There are exceptions.

I'm certainly not rich enough to even dream of supporting a son to a professional tennis career. Not unless he is "noticed" at a young age and given a free scholarship at a tennis academy, etc. Even then, if he were also good at baseball, I'd probably have him go that route (if he didn't have a preference that is).

Just looking at the economics of tennis and thinking about population wide numbers, I'm not expecting much to change in tennis anytime soon.
 
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goober

Legend
What about jockey or race car driver?
true dat

Race car drivers are some of the richest people at the top of their sport.

Golf and pofessional pool are 2 other sports he could make it in (ok debatable whether they are sports but still...).
 

goober

Legend
If you were a black mother with a gifted son you might.

I seriously doubt a black mother would have to do much pushing for an very gifted, athletic son. Most of his friends are probably already playing soccer, basketball, little league baseball or football so he will want to do what they are doing. If you are athletic and dominating on the junior levels you will have all kinds of praised heaped upon you. Coaches and all kinds of people will probably ask him to try out for the team. AAU people will try to steer you towards their team. If out of the blue, he says I want to do Olympic rowing or Curling, yeah you might nix that idea especially if you have no means to pay for the training.
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
If money was the only consideration, then yes you might be correct. There are many sports which have very little in return financially for how much you train- (i.e most Olympic sports that are only competed seriously every 4 years). I have 2 daughters that are in figure skating. The costs are high for coaching and ice time, but I am not really looking at it as a financial investment. Any college scholies they get are going to be academic. There is no pro potential or college scholies available for skating. So is it a waste? Not for them or for me.

I shouldn't have used the term "waste". A better "investment" would be more accurate.

I love tennis and if my son wants to play, I'll try to help him. But the dollars and cents reality is that the expense and time that goes into tennis reaps fewer rewards than most other sports.

The only thing that weighs in tennis favor here on LI is that it is SO expensive to play year round that you have far, far fewer athletes than in places like Florida an Socal who bother to learn, so it's very easy to get on a high school tennis team (basically if you have a racquet and a pulse you make it). Of course, that probably means that you have no chance of being recruited by a college playing tennis for a LI High School because the talent level is so low... unless you attend a tennis academy as well.

I mean, some guys in my club league are tennis coaches at local high schools and community colleges...they're 3.5's by national standards at best. I guess I don't have a very high opinion of myself, but I just can't see anyone who loses a set to a complete hack like me being qualified to coach. :) .
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
I seriously doubt a black mother would have to do much pushing for an very gifted, athletic son. Most of his friends are probably already playing soccer, basketball, little league baseball or football so he will want to do what they are doing. If you are athletic and dominating on the junior levels you will have all kinds of praised heaped upon you. Coaches and all kinds of people will probably ask him to try out for the team. AAU people will try to steer you towards their team. If out of the blue, he says I want to do Olympic rowing or Curling, yeah you might nix that idea especially if you have no means to pay for the training.

Recall the point of the thread.

The OP is wondering what will happen WHEN (and it is assumed) tennis becomes more popular in the black community. The implication is that very good black athletes will be drawn to tennis (instead of other sports) and will make an impact on the biggest stage, thus raising the bar, and changing the sport.

I have simply argued that this is unlikely to happen for many reasons.

It's easy to get sidetracked in these threads, but that is my only point.
 

8F93W5

Rookie
Why would anyone with athletic talent "waste" it on a sport like tennis?

If you turn out to be in the upper .0000001% and are 100 in the world for example, your reward is a tough life of traveling and pretty much no cash.

If you are the 100th best soccer, football, basketball, or baseball player, you are a god and a multimillionaire.

In short, only rich white folks are dumb enough to pour their money into tennis when there is little if any return on investment (except for the intangibles).

I think that's true for men, but if you're a woman tennis is the best chance to make big money. How many women are making money at baseball or American football?
 
It'll never happen with any sport that costs money on a regular basis. Driving around to a decent court. Spending $1-200 on a racquet that can get stolen, plus the cost of restringing every month at least... Tiger Woods has been in the public eye since 1995 and golf is still not something "the black community" has latched onto for the same reasons. Footballs and basketballs are cheap, and those games can be played just about anywhere.
 
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