Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
He can't beat them until he improves his return position on grass.
Why doesn't nadal play this type of tennis more often he surely has another wimbledon in him with such artistic play.
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He can't beat them until he improves his return position on grass.
bjsnider
Hall of Fame
Clay was his natural surface. Players mostly find hard courts their natural surface now. They have no issues on clay, but they aren't great on it.
Nadal_King
Hall of Fame
Well he will I think this match should be a blueprint for rafa to constantly play from the baseline through rest of his career, he has used his weapons to grind opponents enough now time to overpower them with it like he did today
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Absurd logic: if none of them are great at clay but are great on HC then they do have issues with clay. (Which they don't... I am just following your strange contradictory logic.)
Even if this were true, which it isn't in the slightest, how would this be Rafa's fault?
If there were such a huge "hole" on clay, why would more players not strive to improve on it to capitalize on the alleged clay vacuum?
Because Rafa is waiting to clean them up.
Truth is, they can't match him on clay, not because they suck but because he is too good. Huge difference.
Personal question: Do you despise Rafa? I need to know, because if you do then what's the point of discussing this objectively...
bjsnider
Hall of Fame
OK, we were talking past each other. I have no issues swimming, but I'm not a great swimmer.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
... which means nothing because you're not competing professionally, making a living off it while the whole world observes you...
But cant u understand? He is saying a specialist is more dangerous then an allsurface.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Who says Rafa is a specialist?
I have never EVER heard of a surface specialist who won all 4 slams - and multiple slams on all surfaces.
Asinine.
Him being BETTER on clay does NOT make him a specialist. That word implies a struggle to succeed on other surfaces.
Everyone has a fave surface. Does not make them specialists. Muster was a specialist. Not Nadal.
Learn the difference.
Is this a prank?
I dont say Rafa is. I say Rafa is facing no specialist. Like the other guy tried to explain for you
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I believe both of you dislike Rafa.
I have no other explanation for your illogical line of reasoning.
Or you dislike/disrespect clay.
Was just try make u understand what the guy ment but you seem not willing take it in. He said in past there where claycourt specialists and maybe its harder deal with them then todays allcourters
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I already explained myself. We are running around in circles now.
Kinda like Rafa's opponents... on ALL surfaces...
Well ur comments looks like u understand nothing what he ment
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I understood the most important thing: you both dislike Rafa, and are trying to discredit him any way you can. Making up arguments that have no feet to stand on.
Ever heard of homogenization? Read up on it.
I don't dislike any of the Big 3 hence I can analyze the situation without bias.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Not sure how people can say Nadal is as well balanced and complete a player as Djokovic or Federer. Can we honestly look at Nadal’s resume and say it’s more balanced than Federer’s or Djokovic’s? I’m not sure how you can look at Nadal’s resume and says he’s almost as good on grass and hard court as he is on clay.
terribleIVAN
Hall of Fame
Are Fed and Novak's resumes on clay almost as good as their ones on grass and hard court ?
Would you call it balanced ?
Or maybe clay simply doesn't count ?
On grass and hard courts Nadal just simply doesn't have the time to play the way he wants, as you see on clay with it playing slower it allows Nadal more time to dictate, run around his forehand, recover rallies that on grass and hard court would be over most of the time. Personally today the way he played was text book Rafael Nadal clay court tennis, standing far back when receiving serve (they showed that today he was standing even further back than usual in comparison to the last 5 years), grinding Djokovic down with deep forehand and powerful backhands and just simply not missing. I actually think rafas greatest weapon on clay is the fact he can just keep the point going and going and going etc etc.
Problem when trying this on grass is that receiving a serve that far back would put him at a heavy disadvantage right from the off, grinding down opponents isn't the greatest tactic on a court than moves quicker (contrary to what people think Novak is actually more aggressive than people make out hence why he has 5 wimbledons), lastly in my opinion Nadals lack of a serve as a weapon is his biggest hindrance on grass in my eyes, the only difference between him and Novak in 2018 was novaks serve which constantly got him out of trouble and kept Nadal at bay (just about). Nadal doesn't really have this luxury.
I think if he steps into the court and plays more aggressive he deffo has one more Wimbledon in him.
Problem when trying this on grass is that receiving a serve that far back would put him at a heavy disadvantage right from the off, grinding down opponents isn't the greatest tactic on a court than moves quicker (contrary to what people think Novak is actually more aggressive than people make out hence why he has 5 wimbledons), lastly in my opinion Nadals lack of a serve as a weapon is his biggest hindrance on grass in my eyes, the only difference between him and Novak in 2018 was novaks serve which constantly got him out of trouble and kept Nadal at bay (just about). Nadal doesn't really have this luxury.
I think if he steps into the court and plays more aggressive he deffo has one more Wimbledon in him.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Nadal was helped by the slowness of the court which was slower than clay in the summer. While his FH topspin bounce was only about three inches less, players like Djokovic and Sinner couldn’t hit through his defenses this week even though they tried hitting bigger and bigger. Nadal usually doesn’t have the time to run around the court like he did today on other surfaces.
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Deleted member 771911
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Wim 2018 was there for the taking.
Beckerserve
Legend
Total opposite of what you said. Clay requires brute raw power. Grass demands great timing.
Beckerserve
Legend
I said that would be the case two weeks ago.
Julian Houston
Semi-Pro
On clay his crosscourt forehand resets the point. It is difficult for him to do it outside clay. It will become some sort of lob outside clay.
Nadal's ROS suffer outside clay as well.
Nadal's ROS suffer outside clay as well.
aman92
Legend
Umm how? Nadal doesn't have raw power on his serve and backhands... In fact none of the great French Open champions of the past did.
Beckerserve
Legend
So to be successful on clay you need to be able to hit winners and force errors out of the opponent by pushing them back which requires brute strength as one shot wont end the rally. On grass if you time the ball well you can hit a 90 mph winner without needing raw power. On clay you have to generate that power as its so slow.
Gone are the days of the Brugueras on clay. That all changed late 90s.
