2022 Roland Garros Draw

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Most of Nadal's early opponents are error-prone (Wawrinka, Fognini), so he won't have to use up much energy, and can use all his energy on Djokovic :alien:
 
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thepaint19 said:
Most of Nadal's early opponents are error-prone (Wawrinka, Fognini), so he won't have to use up much energy, and can use all his energy on Djokovic :alien:
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I mean, Fognini and Wawrinka are also long term personal punching bags of Rafa's, outside of 2015-2016. If Rafa can't make quick work of them, it's a bad sign.
 
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tudwell said:
Djokodal on a Wednesday vs. primetime weekend coverage. Only one of Nadal or Djokovic getting the primetime slot each day. It's a horrible way to maximize their most valuable assets.
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I think the key is that more people will be likely to watch the final, regardless of who is in it, fewer people will watch/attend a quarter final in the middle of the week, but now more people will.
 
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weakera said:
I mean, Fognini and Wawrinka are also long term personal punching bags of Rafa's, outside of 2015-2016. If Rafa can't make quick work of them, it's a bad sign.
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We already saw Nadal play one of his most perfect sets ever, in the Denis match at Rome, its very obvious Nadal is cruising past Wawrinka and Fognini :alien:
 
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He said "Roland Garros 2002 starts". I thought it was over 20 years ago.
 
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Interesting, Timmy in Alcaraz’s section of the draw. Don’t expect him to make it to the 4R for that potential encounter but I hope it happens.
 
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thepaint19 said:
Who will take a set from Nadal? Wawrinka? Fognini? Not reliable enough, and Felix has nothing to hurt Nadal with, and Nadal beat Djokovic 60 62 75 with the roof closed at 2020 RG..... and Alcaraz is too error-prone to win at RG, so who will take a set? Djokovic is really the only guy likely to take a set, but could also be blown off the court like 2020 :alien:
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By the way, where is Shapovalov?
 
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ibbi said:
I think the key is that more people will be likely to watch the final, regardless of who is in it, fewer people will watch/attend a quarter final in the middle of the week, but now more people will.
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Also an unspoken acknowledgement that it's less of a guarantee that both players can survive all the way to the Final, the way it used to be.

Huge opportunity for Shapovalov here to make a Slam Final...
 
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zvelf said:
R3 and SF might be tough, but Alcaraz already waxed Zverev 3 and 1 in Madrid and has beaten Norrie twice this year.
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Agreed Alcaraz will be the favorite. But they are opponents who could take a lot of effort to beat. He could slip up somewhere.
 
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ibbi said:
I think the key is that more people will be likely to watch the final, regardless of who is in it, fewer people will watch/attend a quarter final in the middle of the week, but now more people will.
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I suppose that's true, but it seems like a benefit that probably wouldn't outweigh the other considerations. I mean, if Djokodal are on opposite halves, the organizers can maximize the primetime viewership of both players in a way they just can't with the guys in the same quarter. One of them will always have to play at a time when most of their European audience will be at work. And sure, a quarter with both of them will obviously get a lot more attention than one without – but then you have three quarterfinal matches with neither of them. And two semis that will not be Djokodal matches, and then the final. Is it better to have one blockbuster quarter and a bunch of other big matches that no one wants to watch?

Anyway, I'm not saying the draws are for sure not rigged – with so much money involved, a little manipulation would not be the least bit surprising – but this draw in particular doesn't seem like strong evidence that they are rigged, given all the potential downsides (and a few upsides, sure, but enough to outweigh the negatives?).
 
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Imperator said:
You're seriously telling me beating Djere makes Wrawrinka dangerous for Nadal of all people ? Like, really ?
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If you'd have seen the match and Rafa's current state, then that would be an obvious yes.

Djere is absolutely elite on clay.

Show's how removed people are from tennis truths.

Djere has beaten Musetti, taken Tsitsipas to a double overtime match, 2 points from beating Djokovic, and was class in the mentioned Stan encounter.
 
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Forgive Me Father said:
If you'd have seen the match and Rafa's current state, then that would be an obvious yes.

Djere is absolutely elite on clay.

Show's how removed people are from tennis truths.

Djere has beaten Musetti, taken Tsitsipas to a double overtime match, 2 points from beating Djokovic, and was class in the mentioned Stan encounter.
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2 points from beating Crapovic who sucked even more than current Nadal. And he ended up not beating him. Even with the form Nadal showed at Madrid and Rome, a player like Djere is nothing compared to him. Plus Nadal is a bad matchup for Wawrinka to begin with, so no way he's beating him with his current level unless he gets heavily injured.

Please, don't give me the "people removed from reality and I know better" crap just because I'm saying beating Djere isn't comparable to beating Nadal. You seem to be a way more humanly decent person than the vast majority of TTW posters so I kinda expect better from you.
 
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Imperator said:
2 points from beating Crapovic who sucked even more than current Nadal. And he ended up not beating him. Even with the form Nadal showed at Madrid and Rome, a player like Djere is nothing compared to him. Plus Nadal is a bad matchup for Wawrinka to begin with, so no way he's beating him with his current level unless he gets heavily injured.

Please, don't give me the "people removed from reality and I know better" crap just because I'm saying beating Djere isn't comparable to beating Nadal. You seem to be a way more humanly decent person than the vast majority of TTW posters so I kinda expect better from you.
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disagree on Djokovic's state in that match. That was the match in which he found himself in the 2nd set. Djere was pulling off unreal winners time and time again to stay ahead.

Kec or Rub could reasonably win a set against an in-form Djok. Of course the final set of that final, the fatique added up and he had nothing left.
 
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tudwell said:
I suppose that's true, but it seems like a benefit that probably wouldn't outweigh the other considerations. I mean, if Djokodal are on opposite halves, the organizers can maximize the primetime viewership of both players in a way they just can't with the guys in the same quarter. One of them will always have to play at a time when most of their European audience will be at work. And sure, a quarter with both of them will obviously get a lot more attention than one without – but then you have three quarterfinal matches with neither of them. And two semis that will not be Djokodal matches, and then the final. Is it better to have one blockbuster quarter and a bunch of other big matches that no one wants to watch?

Anyway, I'm not saying the draws are for sure not rigged – with so much money involved, a little manipulation would not be the least bit surprising – but this draw in particular doesn't seem like strong evidence that they are rigged, given all the potential downsides (and a few upsides, sure, but enough to outweigh the negatives?).
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Definitely agree on the last part :-D No way anyone is rigging THAT draw.
 
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Forgive Me Father said:
you really know your tennis I see
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If we spent this much time on people of Djere’s caliber on clay, we’d have like 30-40 different threats for upsetting the top seeds at Slams. You’re lowering the standards my guy.

Stan was nothing special in his wins over Djere and Opelka, and we found that out when Djokovic exposed his lack of match practice and overall age-related decline the next round. Djere is not the barometer for determining Stan’s upset potential at RG, especially when it’s Nadal he’ll likely be going against. That I’m even having this debate in the first place is plainly ridiculous.
 
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