ET's Ian vs Tennistroll

Who wins?

  • Ian to dish out a bagel and a stick

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Ian wins

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • Ian just manages to win

    Votes: 7 21.9%

  • Tennistroll trolls Ian with a lesson

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • Tennistroll manges to troll

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • Tennistroll simply trolls

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Total voters
    32
S&V-not_dead_yet

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
Gael4 said:
I agree to some extent, but I can't help but think that until you can do what you preach, you haven't really mastered it yet.
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But whether he's mastered it or not is independent of whether he's a junkballer, no?

He also states that he's had a slice BH for his entire tennis life and is only recently trying to change that. I don't recall him ever claiming he's mastered it.

But for beginners he is great, he is also great on the mental and strategical side, I watched several of his videos and enyoyed them. He struggles to create power on both wings, and his serve is a bit weir too.
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His BH slice is built on placement and trying to get his opponent in an uncomfortable spot; not power.

I don't see him lacking power on his FH. Is it as powerful as Ira/Kevin/Mark? No. Does that mean he struggles to create power? No.

He is a junkballer because he can't hit powerful lifted shots, be it on the forehand or the backhand. His backhand is a slice, and his forehand is usually simply pushed, it can be short, long, right, left, a lob, but it's never a heavy ball. He is a high level junkballer, but if he isn't one I don't know who is.
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We have different definitions of junkballer then. "Powerful, lifted shots" is a euphemism for TS. So someone who hits with slice or flat, no matter how hard, is a junkballer to you.
 
S&V-not_dead_yet

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
AnyPUG said:
You are right - but you can't deny the fact that there's a certain percentage of the population who do believe you have to be a great player to be a great coach and they can't see it any other way.
It does not matter whether it's right or wrong, but people have a tendency to believe certain things to be true...
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No argument there. I'm only stating how I look at it.
 
PURETENNISsense

PURETENNISsense

Professional
TennisTroll is a good friend if mine. I've been on his Channel for 5 videos (6 by the end of the month).

I think if they played, TT would win. He's been improving a lot and we discuss tennis/tactics and strategy a lot. He's also already shown a ton of improvement in the summer months by having a much higher score and even beating people who he struggled with just a few months earlier.

I'd put my money on TT. Court surface does play a factor though.
 
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S&V-not_dead_yet said:
But whether he's mastered it or not is independent of whether he's a junkballer, no?

He also states that he's had a slice BH for his entire tennis life and is only recently trying to change that. I don't recall him ever claiming he's mastered it.



His BH slice is built on placement and trying to get his opponent in an uncomfortable spot; not power.

I don't see him lacking power on his FH. Is it as powerful as Ira/Kevin/Mark? No. Does that mean he struggles to create power? No.



We have different definitions of junkballer then. "Powerful, lifted shots" is a euphemism for TS. So someone who hits with slice or flat, no matter how hard, is a junkballer to you.
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Well there is no official definition of a junkballer, obviously. My take on it is that's it's someone who has no strong shot, very average technique, but wins by making the match dirty, making you lose confidence, varying shots as much as possible : slice then flat then lob then dropshot, all the time, never any rythm you can get into. Each shot is made with the intent of disrupting your play rather than going for a winner or overpowering you. And that's exactly how Ian plays. I agree that "junkballer" might sound pejorative, but I don't mean it that way, Ian would beat me 100% of the time.
 
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GuyClinch

Legend
I favor Ian in all these matchups - simply because he plays tennis 4+ hours a day.. Sure its not competitive but he does hit every day for that amount of time. He is not in horrible shape - but is very weak, scrawny and lacks athleticism compared to some 4.5s. But that should not keep him from playing weak 5.0 tennis in short order.

He is surprisingly awful for a youtube coach - most of whom are 5.0 or better. Guys like Simon at top tennis training or Jeff Salzenstein, tenfitmen etc. So its good that he wants to play competitively again. The only youtube coach I would peg him as beating is FYB guy.
 
dkshifty

dkshifty

Rookie
Too much hate towards both sides man. They are both fine tennis players with their own specific styles and strokes. I hope Ian can heal up soon so we can see some competitive sets. If I was a betting man, I would give the slightest edge to TT.
 
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therecanbeonlyone

Semi-Pro
GuyClinch said:
The only youtube coach I would peg him as beating is FYB guy.
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That would actually be an interesting match. Will at FYB played D1 tennis. Both are lefty. Both are about the same age and similar physical shape. Both would try in their own and maybe opposite ways to move the other one where he doesn’t want to be. I’d watch it and am not sure who I would pick.
 
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AnyPUG

Hall of Fame
TennisTroll said:
In my opinion...the more important question is which matchup will get more views? Ian, MEP, TT, and/or others?
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I think MEP is a star - anyone he takes on will be a hit. I want to see a match between Draggy and MEP.
 
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nyta2

Hall of Fame
TennisTroll said:
In my opinion...the more important question is which matchup will get more views? Ian, MEP, TT, and/or others?
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i think ian v mep gets many more views... mainly because there are more folks with mep's technique trying to figure out how to play/beat an opponent with player with "trained" strokes like ian.
ian v tt will just be "a match between 2 good players", which i'll also watch :)
 
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nyta2

Hall of Fame
PURETENNISsense said:
TennisTroll is a good friend if mine. I've been on his Channel for 5 videos (6 by the end of the month).

I think if they played, TT would win. He's been improving a lot and we discuss tennis/tactics and strategy a lot. He's also already shown a ton of improvement in the summer months by having a much higher score and even beating people who he struggled with just a few months earlier.

I'd put my money on TT. Court surface does play a factor though.
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slow favors tt? more physical, harder to take the net, etc...
fast favors ian? faster points, balls carry more, approach shots more effective, etc...
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MaxTennis

MaxTennis

Professional
AnyPUG said:
I don't want the headline to be on how much AnyPUG is willing to pay to watch Max take on Jolly, let's keep our eyes on the ball here - it's that the match up is going to be a huge success from tt perspective.
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That's fair. I just find it odd how you tagged us on a completely irrelevant thread and then you're dodging the question :sneaky:
 
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shadow01

Professional
AnyPUG said:
The quarantine definitely has altered the way players appreciate a very good shot from the opponents.

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saw that - he got the one at 7:14 right though.
 
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AnyPUG

Hall of Fame
MaxTennis said:
That's fair. I just find it odd how you tagged us on a completely irrelevant thread and then you're dodging the question :sneaky:
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If you want to talk about dodging, let's do that. When did the original dodging happen and where?
 
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user92626

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Speaking of missed opportunities, ages ago I wanted to meet and play Max when he came to Costa Mesa (with his dad or something). I think I pm'ed Max but didn't hear back after several hrs and by then I lost interest. Max did return my message though. :)

I dunno if I'm still crazy about tennis with much younger dudes today. I rather abuse the seniors than being abused. Hahahahaha.

D@mn it looks like Max keeps on improving... Very nice.
 
MaxTennis

MaxTennis

Professional
user92626 said:
Speaking of missed opportunities, ages ago I wanted to meet and play Max when he came to Costa Mesa (with his dad or something). I think I pm'ed Max but didn't hear back after several hrs and by then I lost interest. Max did return my message though. :)

I dunno if I'm still crazy about tennis with much younger dudes today. I rather abuse the seniors than being abused. Hahahahaha.

D@mn it looks like Max keeps on improving... Very nice.
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Apologies for that. If I recall, that was when they had the Costa Mesa Futures and there wasn't really enough time, unfortunately. DM me and we can sync up again.

I actually played much better back in 2013 than I do now, but I'm still at a pretty good level when I'm hitting a lot. I stopped training during quarantine because, well, there isn't much tennis going on tbh.
 
S&V-not_dead_yet

S&V-not_dead_yet

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user92626 said:
Speaking of missed opportunities, ages ago I wanted to meet and play Max when he came to Costa Mesa (with his dad or something). I think I pm'ed Max but didn't hear back after several hrs and by then I lost interest. Max did return my message though. :)

I dunno if I'm still crazy about tennis with much younger dudes today. I rather abuse the seniors than being abused. Hahahahaha.

D@mn it looks like Max keeps on improving... Very nice.
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I relish the opportunities to play up; age isn't the factor.

Somehow, after getting pumelled 6-1 in the first set, I got up 4-0 against Max but then he came out his coma and won 7-5.

I consider it a moral victory.
 
user92626

user92626

G.O.A.T.
MaxTennis said:
Apologies for that. DM me and we can sync up again.

I actually played much better back in 2013 than I do now, but I'm still at a pretty good level when I'm hitting a lot. I stopped training during quarantine because, well, there isn't much tennis going on tbh.
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Nothing to apologize for, dude. That was a few years ago, and I thought I could catch you and your dad at a court and try a rally or a handicap game with ya (we talked about dub court vs single court, etc. :)). It didn't work out. But you did email or pm me back that time though. :)
 
MaxTennis

MaxTennis

Professional
user92626 said:
Nothing to apologize for, dude. That was a few years ago, and I thought I could catch you and your dad at a court and try a rally or a handicap game with ya (we talked about dub court vs single court, etc. :)). It didn't work out. But you did email or pm me back that time though. :)
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I'll DM you since I'll be in LA for a while. Let's sync up sometime and maybe we can do an OC meetup with everyone.
 
S&V-not_dead_yet

S&V-not_dead_yet

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AnyPUG said:
If you want to talk about dodging, let's do that. The original dodging happened in socal last year.... that's the real dodging.
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It was Christmas Eve on the last day the Long Island crew was in SoCal and @MaxTennis had tickets for Frozen [the stage production, not the movie] with his Mom; i'd hardly call that dodging. I'd call that a no-brainer.
 
MaxTennis

MaxTennis

Professional
S&V-not_dead_yet said:
It was Christmas Eve on the last day the Long Island crew was in SoCal and @MaxTennis had tickets for Frozen [the stage production, not the movie] with his Mom; i'd hardly call that dodging. I'd call that a no-brainer.
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If I recall, it had been raining previous days so Christmas Eve was the only available day. @J011yroger , @S&V-not_dead_yet , @mad dog1 and I have a group text, and we'll try to make it happen this year.
 
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user92626

user92626

G.O.A.T.
nyta2 said:
it's what happens when you're ttw famous... everyone wants a piece of you. i guess we are called fanatics for a reason :p
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If people play sports the "right way" they tend to be competitive and wanting to experience challenges. That's one reason why Max is seeked out. He's very good.
 
MaxTennis

MaxTennis

Professional
nyta2 said:
that would be an interesting match against you too... he played d1 once upon a time. he's been kicking my arse all summer.
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He's good. I saw videos of his serve on YouTube. Would definitely love an opportunity to hit with both of you guys and @J011yroger next time I'm in NY!
 
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nyta2

Hall of Fame
MaxTennis said:
Apologies for that. If I recall, that was when they had the Costa Mesa Futures and there wasn't really enough time, unfortunately. DM me and we can sync up again.

I actually played much better back in 2013 than I do now, but I'm still at a pretty good level when I'm hitting a lot. I stopped training during quarantine because, well, there isn't much tennis going on tbh.
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hehe, reminded to find this old thread... https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...tennisadict-vid-evidence.596321/post-11507472 (and vid of you playing back then...)
 
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