Evert/Austin USO semi '80

MLRoy

Hall of Fame
I was watching a 9 minute clip of that match today on YT, and Evert was really on fire. While watching it, I had a "light dawns over Marblehead" moment (lifetime?!) about Austin's game: she had no Plan B...! She was playing her typical great baseline game, as was Evert, but Chris was playing THAT much better (as you'll see if I remember to add the link), and winning most of their rallies. And there was so little Austin could do about it. Granted, that was the position most found themselves in. But I can't remember watching one of her matches and seeing her come to the net, unless she's drop-shotted. She must have at Wimbledon, but... I know she didn't have much of a serve, but neither did Evert, and her volleying is exemplary and unhesitating(!).

I've seen Austin play Senior doubles, and she's a pretty good volleyer now. I guess Time, and losses, would have taught her to get a Plan B.

 
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jrepac

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I was watching a 9 minute clip of that match today on YT, and Evert was really on fire. While watching it, I had a "light dawns over Marblehead" moment (lifetime?!) about Austin's game: she had no Plan B...! She was playing her typical great baseline game, as was Evert, but Chris was playing THAT much better (as you'll see if I remember to add the link), and winning most of their rallies. And there was so little Austin could do about it. Granted, that was the position most found themselves in. But I can't remember watching one of her matches and seeing her come to the net, unless she's drop-shotted. She must have at Wimbledon, but... I know she didn't have much of a serve, but neither did Evert, and her volleying is exemplary and unhesitating(!).

I've seen Austin play Senior doubles, and she's a pretty good volleyer now. I guess Time, and losses, would have taught her to get a Plan B.


Austin could volley just fine....she just did not do it a lot. I recall seeing her play Martini in the early 80's and she made some cagey approaches to net.
 

MLRoy

Hall of Fame
Austin could volley just fine....she just did not do it a lot. I recall seeing her play Martini in the early 80's and she made some cagey approaches to net.
Yeah? Was she losing the baseline rallies? On grass? HER, not you. ;^)B
 
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BTURNER

Legend
I just wish I could see the whole match. Evert tried very hard to develop a plan b for Austin, and said she got her inspiration from watching Goolagong play her at Wimbledon. This was the first baseliner in many a moon who she could not beat with a steadier game, better attention to fundamentals, and more focus. Evert really had to play outside her familiar comfort zone a lot more of the time.
 

MLRoy

Hall of Fame
I just wish I could see the whole match. Evert tried very hard to develop a plan b for Austin, and said she got her inspiration from watching Goolagong play her at Wimbledon. This was the first baseliner in many a moon who she could not beat with a steadier game, better attention to fundamentals, and more focus. Evert really had to play outside her familiar comfort zone a lot more of the time.
I looked up their head-to-head recently, Brian, because I wanted a list of players with a winning record over Evert. I thought she was one. And she is according to Wikipedia (9-8). But the flawed WTA W/L database has Evert 9-8, and includes the tourney/scores, so I'm going with that. And the scores are really telling. Of the 17 times they played, 13 matches ended in straight sets. And those sets were usually one-sided. So, this leads me to believe who ever was more "on" that day would probably win.

My guess is that had a lot to do with her Richey rivalry too.

Still, those results are surprising to me because Evert's net game is so great (that is, she had a great "Plan B" if she needed it). According to that list they only played once on clay; the infamous Italian Open where Austin ended Chris's amazing clay streak. Here's the link if you're interested. ;^)B

http://www.wtatennis.com/head2head/player1/2188/player2/59
 

DMan

Professional
I just wish I could see the whole match. Evert tried very hard to develop a plan b for Austin, and said she got her inspiration from watching Goolagong play her at Wimbledon. This was the first baseliner in many a moon who she could not beat with a steadier game, better attention to fundamentals, and more focus. Evert really had to play outside her familiar comfort zone a lot more of the time.

I've seen the entire match. I have it on DVD (Bootleg copy from CBS).

I don't doubt Evonne's Wimbledon win inspired Chris. But Evonne's game is very different from Chris'. While Austin was overall the steadier of the two, Chris had greater variety and flexibility. Chris Evert being Chris Evert relied on and reverted to her natural game - out-steadying her opponent - when facing Austin. Once Austin matured as a player and developed full confidence against Chris, the steady game wasn't the one for Chris to play against Tracy.

And the "mental damage" was done to Evert's psyche vs. Austin, beginning with the 1979 US Open final, and fully engaged with Tracy's 3 devastating wins over Chris in a 10 day period in January 1980. All 3 were on a fast indoor carpet - the surface where Austin was at her best and Evert at her worst. Chris took those losses as too big a sign that Austin was unbeatable. Tracy had her number, albeit briefly.

Their 1980 US Open semi was an intriguing one. And odd in that it began at 11:00am on the Stadium Court, barely half full, and commencing under gray skies. It actually sprinkled a bit at the start, and they briefly stopped play. I thought Chris was striking the ball very well in the beginning. Although Tracy built a quick 4-0 lead, many of the points and games were close, with few easy shots or bad errors. The early score line probably gave Austin false hope this would be another easy win. And Chris wasn't dismayed. From that 0-4 deficit, Chris won 16 of the next 20 games! Midway through the second set, the tide definitely turned, and it was clear Austin was struggling with her movement, and Chris was gaining in confidence. The opening of the third was close only for the first two games. After that, Evert took full control.

Chris did employ a 'Plan B' of sorts. She was clearly the aggressor in the match. Austin was more content to rally and retrieve. If Austin threw up a moon ball or short reply, Evert stepped in and put the ball away. It was fun seeing Chris hit smashes off Austin's weaker shots - and clearly send a signal to Tracy she would have to do more. Austin became stiffer as the match wore on. She was doing more of the running. And it is oh so clear Austin was not a natural athlete, nor did she have Evert's effortless feet or fleet of movement. On a few occasions, Austin pushed back high moon balls to Chris, and she would just stop moving after she hit the ball.

Evert was ruthless near the end of the match, drop shotting and passing Tracy at will. at 5-1 in the third, Chris manipulated Tracy all over the court, like she was a play thing. Austin was so frustrated and dejected. As was her coach Robert Landsorp, who was forced to roll his eyes in a dejected sense of impending defeat. Which came on an Evert drop shot at match point that Austin couldn't handle.

Evert's play in that match may have been a little out of her real comfort zone for that time. But, she played very similarly from the mid 1980s (the time she started using graphite), much more willing to step in and play more aggressively from the baseline or mid court, and end points sooner.

Their battles were definitely mental. Too bad they didn't play more often. Especially on clay!
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
I looked up their head-to-head recently, Brian, because I wanted a list of players with a winning record over Evert. I thought she was one. And she is according to Wikipedia (9-8). But the flawed WTA W/L database has Evert 9-8, and includes the tourney/scores, so I'm going with that. And the scores are really telling. Of the 17 times they played, 13 matches ended in straight sets. And those sets were usually one-sided. So, this leads me to believe who ever was more "on" that day would probably win.

Austin leads Evert 9-8. I noticed that WTA website error years ago, and it has Evert listed as the winner in one of the matches that Austin won.

Here's the head-to-head:

Tracy Austin 9-8 Chris Evert
1977 Wimbledon R32: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-1, 6-1)
1978 Hilton Head SF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-3, 6-1)
1978 US Open QF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (7-5, 6-1)
1979 Avon Championship R16: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-3, 6-1)

1979 La Costa SF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-1, 7-5)
1979 Italian Open SF: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-4, 2-6, 7-6)

1979 Bergen F: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-7, 6-4, 6-1)
1979 US Open F: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-4, 6-3)

1979 Stuttgart SF: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-3, 7-5)
1980 Washington RR: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-1, 6-3)
1980 Washington SF: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-3, 6-0)
1980 Cincinnati F: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-2, 6-1)
1980 US Open SF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (4-6, 6-1, 6-1)
1981 Canadian Open F: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-1, 6-4)

1981 Toyota Championship RR: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (4-6, 6-4, 7-6)
1981 Toyota Championship SF: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-1, 6-2)

1982 Toyota Championship SF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-0, 6-0)
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
I've seen the entire match. I have it on DVD (Bootleg copy from CBS).

I don't doubt Evonne's Wimbledon win inspired Chris. But Evonne's game is very different from Chris'. While Austin was overall the steadier of the two, Chris had greater variety and flexibility. Chris Evert being Chris Evert relied on and reverted to her natural game - out-steadying her opponent - when facing Austin. Once Austin matured as a player and developed full confidence against Chris, the steady game wasn't the one for Chris to play against Tracy.

And the "mental damage" was done to Evert's psyche vs. Austin, beginning with the 1979 US Open final, and fully engaged with Tracy's 3 devastating wins over Chris in a 10 day period in January 1980. All 3 were on a fast indoor carpet - the surface where Austin was at her best and Evert at her worst. Chris took those losses as too big a sign that Austin was unbeatable. Tracy had her number, albeit briefly.

Their 1980 US Open semi was an intriguing one. And odd in that it began at 11:00am on the Stadium Court, barely half full, and commencing under gray skies. It actually sprinkled a bit at the start, and they briefly stopped play. I thought Chris was striking the ball very well in the beginning. Although Tracy built a quick 4-0 lead, many of the points and games were close, with few easy shots or bad errors. The early score line probably gave Austin false hope this would be another easy win. And Chris wasn't dismayed. From that 0-4 deficit, Chris won 16 of the next 20 games! Midway through the second set, the tide definitely turned, and it was clear Austin was struggling with her movement, and Chris was gaining in confidence. The opening of the third was close only for the first two games. After that, Evert took full control.

Chris did employ a 'Plan B' of sorts. She was clearly the aggressor in the match. Austin was more content to rally and retrieve. If Austin threw up a moon ball or short reply, Evert stepped in and put the ball away. It was fun seeing Chris hit smashes off Austin's weaker shots - and clearly send a signal to Tracy she would have to do more. Austin became stiffer as the match wore on. She was doing more of the running. And it is oh so clear Austin was not a natural athlete, nor did she have Evert's effortless feet or fleet of movement. On a few occasions, Austin pushed back high moon balls to Chris, and she would just stop moving after she hit the ball.

Evert was ruthless near the end of the match, drop shotting and passing Tracy at will. at 5-1 in the third, Chris manipulated Tracy all over the court, like she was a play thing. Austin was so frustrated and dejected. As was her coach Robert Landsorp, who was forced to roll his eyes in a dejected sense of impending defeat. Which came on an Evert drop shot at match point that Austin couldn't handle.

Evert's play in that match may have been a little out of her real comfort zone for that time. But, she played very similarly from the mid 1980s (the time she started using graphite), much more willing to step in and play more aggressively from the baseline or mid court, and end points sooner.

Their battles were definitely mental. Too bad they didn't play more often. Especially on clay!

The 1980 US Open semi final wasn't the end, though. Austin won 2 of their next 3 matches and pretty convincingly (a final and semi final), while narrowly losing the other round robin match that went the distance. Evert ended their rivalry with a double bagel of Austin in 1982.
 

MLRoy

Hall of Fame
Austin leads Evert 9-8. I noticed that WTA website error years ago, and it has Evert listed as the winner in one of the matches that Austin won.

Here's the head-to-head:

Tracy Austin 9-8 Chris Evert
1977 Wimbledon R32: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-1, 6-1)
1978 Hilton Head SF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-3, 6-1)
1978 US Open QF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (7-5, 6-1)
1979 Avon Championship R16: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-3, 6-1)

1979 La Costa SF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-1, 7-5)
1979 Italian Open SF: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-4, 2-6, 7-6)

1979 Bergen F: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-7, 6-4, 6-1)
1979 US Open F: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-4, 6-3)

1979 Stuttgart SF: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-3, 7-5)
1980 Washington RR: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-1, 6-3)
1980 Washington SF: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-3, 6-0)
1980 Cincinnati F: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-2, 6-1)
1980 US Open SF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (4-6, 6-1, 6-1)
1981 Canadian Open F: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-1, 6-4)

1981 Toyota Championship RR: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (4-6, 6-4, 7-6)
1981 Toyota Championship SF: Tracy Austin def. Chris Evert (6-1, 6-2)

1982 Toyota Championship SF: Chris Evert def. Tracy Austin (6-0, 6-0)
Thank you for posting this. And you color-coded it, too!! ;^)B And, the color-coding really does help: look at how one-sided Austin's wins are, other than in Rome...!! Yikes. And she beat Evert in 3 of 4 FINALS?! That 5 match losing streak would've bummed-out anyone.

I remember Austin as a young girl (14ish), wearing a pinafore. And I remember watching her beat BJK at Wimbledon, on HBO, in '78(?). And that's it really. No, I remember her beating Navratilova at the USO in '79. Did she have shoulder probs, and retired early? I know she tried to comeback in '89, but broke her leg in a car accident (too many Shirley Temples??). So, for me, she's very much an enigma. I never think of her as one of the all-time greats -- even though she was -- because she wasn't around forever, like most of the greats. I remember going into the city in '83 and seeing BJK, age 39, play a Slims semi against Sylvia Hanika (who beat her).

BTW, where did you find that H2H info? It's so hard to find head-to-heads for womens' matches.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
I've just checked and the current ITF website has Austin 9-7 up. They've missed out Evert's 1979 La Costa win.

So both the ITF (9-7 to Austin) and WTA (9-8 to Evert) websites have got it wrong. It's 9-8 to Austin in reality.
 

DMan

Professional
The 1980 US Open semi final wasn't the end, though. Austin won 2 of their next 3 matches and pretty convincingly (a final and semi final), while narrowly losing the other round robin match that went the distance. Evert ended their rivalry with a double bagel of Austin in 1982.

Evert and Austin didn't play for almost an entire year following the 1980 US Open semifinal. But that wasn't Chris' fault Austin didn't play or lost before her appointed meetings with Chris!

Austin's physical frailties meant she rarely played a full season on the WTA Tour. She also avoided clay court tournaments if Chris was entered.

Their 1981 Canadian Open final round encounter, won by Austin 6-1,6-4 came at a time when Austin was in the midst of one of her 'grooves." When she was healthy, and thus confident. Plus Austin was the underdog, and always played better in that role than as a favorite.

It's a shame that twice in the WTA Championships, with the round robin format, Evert and Austin were in the same group, and met in RR play, and due to a coin flip, played again in the SF. At the 1981 Toyota Championships, Evert and Austin staged one of their fiercest battles in a RR match not televised ! : - ( Evert edged Austin in a third set tiebreak. They had to play two days later. As was often the case in their indoor encounters, their SF match was one sided. In fact, their 1981 RR match was the only close match they ever played indoors.

And following their 1981 Toyota Championships SF match, Evert and Austin didn't play (again) for an entire year. In the 1982 Toyota Championships, which was not a RR event, Evert and Austin met in the SF - which turned out to be the final match against each other. Certainly one to remember for Evert! A devastating double bagel romp by Chris over Tracy. And if that doesn't give you pause to think what would have happened had they met at any time in 1982, or in the first few months of 1983, well.....

Six of Austin's 9 wins over Chris came indoors. The surface that favored Austin's game, and was Evert's worse. Austin's 1979 Italian Open on red clay - snapping Chris' 125 match clay court win streak, and the 1979 US Open final were monumental wins. Austin was the very worthy winner in those matches.

When you examine their H2H results on all surfaces, and also see how infrequently they played, (again not Chris' fault!) plus Chris' superior longevity, it's super easy to understand that Austin's super slim H2H advantage is quite an anomaly. Just think - had Evert been provided the opportunity to face Austin on south Florida Har Tru 3 times in the space of 10 days, what might their H2H have been?
 

BTURNER

Legend
I've seen the entire match. I have it on DVD (Bootleg copy from CBS).

I don't doubt Evonne's Wimbledon win inspired Chris. But Evonne's game is very different from Chris'. While Austin was overall the steadier of the two, Chris had greater variety and flexibility. Chris Evert being Chris Evert relied on and reverted to her natural game - out-steadying her opponent - when facing Austin. Once Austin matured as a player and developed full confidence against Chris, the steady game wasn't the one for Chris to play against Tracy.

And the "mental damage" was done to Evert's psyche vs. Austin, beginning with the 1979 US Open final, and fully engaged with Tracy's 3 devastating wins over Chris in a 10 day period in January 1980. All 3 were on a fast indoor carpet - the surface where Austin was at her best and Evert at her worst. Chris took those losses as too big a sign that Austin was unbeatable. Tracy had her number, albeit briefly.

Their 1980 US Open semi was an intriguing one. And odd in that it began at 11:00am on the Stadium Court, barely half full, and commencing under gray skies. It actually sprinkled a bit at the start, and they briefly stopped play. I thought Chris was striking the ball very well in the beginning. Although Tracy built a quick 4-0 lead, many of the points and games were close, with few easy shots or bad errors. The early score line probably gave Austin false hope this would be another easy win. And Chris wasn't dismayed. From that 0-4 deficit, Chris won 16 of the next 20 games! Midway through the second set, the tide definitely turned, and it was clear Austin was struggling with her movement, and Chris was gaining in confidence. The opening of the third was close only for the first two games. After that, Evert took full control.

Chris did employ a 'Plan B' of sorts. She was clearly the aggressor in the match. Austin was more content to rally and retrieve. If Austin threw up a moon ball or short reply, Evert stepped in and put the ball away. It was fun seeing Chris hit smashes off Austin's weaker shots - and clearly send a signal to Tracy she would have to do more. Austin became stiffer as the match wore on. She was doing more of the running. And it is oh so clear Austin was not a natural athlete, nor did she have Evert's effortless feet or fleet of movement. On a few occasions, Austin pushed back high moon balls to Chris, and she would just stop moving after she hit the ball.

Evert was ruthless near the end of the match, drop shotting and passing Tracy at will. at 5-1 in the third, Chris manipulated Tracy all over the court, like she was a play thing. Austin was so frustrated and dejected. As was her coach Robert Landsorp, who was forced to roll his eyes in a dejected sense of impending defeat. Which came on an Evert drop shot at match point that Austin couldn't handle.

Evert's play in that match may have been a little out of her real comfort zone for that time. But, she played very similarly from the mid 1980s (the time she started using graphite), much more willing to step in and play more aggressively from the baseline or mid court, and end points sooner.

Their battles were definitely mental. Too bad they didn't play more often. Especially on clay![/QUOTE .
thanks for the run-down. My impression from the quote I read was that Evert saw diferent spins, net approaches, and drop shots in Evonnes gameplan , more variety/less predictability, to try to emulate. Even if Evert could not dream of playing Goolagong's game or duplicate that mindset (nobody could!), she could impose an Evert 'stamp' on Evonne's concept. It was enough to unnerve Tracy at least in that match
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
What would you estimate the serve speed of Austin and Evert in that match? Austin seemed to be rolling that first serve in at about 40 mph.

Nice shot of Wonder Woman, Linda Carter, in that clip. :D
 

MLRoy

Hall of Fame
What would you estimate the serve speed of Austin and Evert in that match? Austin seemed to be rolling that first serve in at about 40 mph.

Nice shot of Wonder Woman, Linda Carter, in that clip. :D
I remember seeing Lynda Carter in person at an Evert match when I was a kid. She must've had a crush on her because she followed her around like a groupie. I remember being a little disappointed, thinking her a little "dowdy" (glasses, brown hajib -- practically). No headband, or cleavage. I kind of remember her having her own tournament: The Lynda Carter Open. Yeah, she had it bad for her. ;^)B
 
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