I'm heartbroken

[TheMaestro1990]

I'm having trouble accepting what happened yesterday. It feels even worse than it did yesterday after the match. I could deal with Wimbledon 2014. It was a five setter as well, but Djokovic was the better player throughout that match. It stung, but there was none of that feeling that there was an undeserved winner. Yesterday only one player should have won and that was Federer. Better player in each of the sets, bar the tiebreaks. Served for the match, two championship points in the biggest event in tennis. Lost. It just sucks in every way. It shouldn't have happened. Fed had basically every statistics on his side, yet lost. Obviously credit must be given to Djokovic. No player has ever been as clutch as him. Yet that doesn't make the feeling go away. This wasn't Djokovic's match, this was Roger's.

This loss makes the USO 10 and 11 losses pale in comparison. I simply can't believe Fed lost after having had championship points on his own goddamn serve. I just don't know how to forget about this, and I don't think Federer will either. This has had to scar him. I hope he can get back up and win #21, because he really deserves it. I've read what some Djokovic fans have been saying. That this was karma for the crowd being entirely on Federer's side. Really? Is it Fed's fault that they don't cheer for Djokovic? Also saw someone mentioning the finger wag at the 2011 FO SF. So this was karma for a celebration he did that wasn't directly aimed at Djokovic? Man, some of these fans don't get how many of us Federer fans feel today. At least be respectful, FOR ONCE. I know some great posters like @Hitman and @Djokovic2011 are kind and sensible, but I would have imagined that even the usual suspects could at least be quiet and not talk with utter disrespect to Federer and his fans after yesterday.

Federer beating Nadal and coming so close to beating Djokovic, while being the better player in BOTH matches, at the age of 37 and 11 months, is just insane. If there ever was a doubt regarding who the GOAT is, we got the answer the last couple of days. Despite the loss.

 

[StrongRule]

Now Federer fans understand how Nadal fans felt after Wimbledon 2018 which he should have won. Maybe they will stop laughing at Nadal so much.

Actually this result put a lot of doubts about who is the GOAT in my opinion. Federer has a long history of terrible chokes. He is also 3-0 down against his main rival in Wimbledon finals. He is still the greatest but I think Djokovic will definitely overcome him now.

 

[Spencer Gore]

I'm having trouble accepting what happened yesterday. It feels even worse than it did yesterday after the match. I could deal with Wimbledon 2014. It was a five setter as well, but Djokovic was the better player throughout that match. It stung, but there was none of that feeling that there was an undeserved winner. Yesterday only one player should have won and that was Federer. Better player in each of the sets, bar the tiebreaks. Served for the match, two championship points in the biggest event in tennis. Lost. It just sucks in every way. It shouldn't have happened. Fed had basically every statistics on his side, yet lost. Obviously credit must be given to Djokovic. No player has ever been as clutch as him. Yet that doesn't make the feeling go away. This wasn't Djokovic's match, this was Roger's.

This loss makes the USO 10 and 11 losses pale in comparison. I simply can't believe Fed lost after having had championship points on his own goddamn serve. I just don't know how to forget about this, and I don't think Federer will either. This has had to scar him. I hope he can get back up and win #21, because he really deserves it. I've read what some Djokovic fans have been saying. That this was karma for the crowd being entirely on Federer's side. Really? Is it Fed's fault that they don't cheer for Djokovic? Also saw someone mentioning the finger wag at the 2011 FO SF. So this was karma for a celebration he did that wasn't directly aimed at Djokovic? Man, some of these fans don't get how many of us Federer fans feel today. At least be respectful, FOR ONCE. I know some great posters like @Hitman and @Djokovic2011 are kind and sensible, but I would have imagined that even the usual suspects could at least be quiet and not talk with utter disrespect to Federer and his fans after yesterday.

Federer beating Nadal and coming so close to beating Djokovic, while being the better player in BOTH matches, at the age of 37 and 11 months, is just insane. If there ever was a doubt regarding who the GOAT is, we got the answer the last couple of days. Despite the loss.

I felt exactly the same when Borg lost to McEnroe in 1981. People forget that Borg, despite not playing well, had his chances to win that match. The history of tennis may have changed if he did. I feel that's when he gave up. The US open final was just s sad coda.

The pain will lessen, I promise. But it will never leave you. You will always wake in the middle of the occasional night thinking: what if?

 

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[Towny]

It is what it is. Unfortunately, converting match points has been difficult for Federer in the closest matches recently and this was no exception. One of the reason this hurts for me is because it's like a repeat of the US Open 2011 semi final and the Wimbledon 2014 final rolled into one. Same opponent, same circumstances.

I got a twinge of feeling this would be Federer's last chance yesterday. However, I felt that way and every Wimbledon lost since 2014. And here he still is, nearly beating Nadal and Djokovic back-to-back to win Wimbledon at age 37. One day he will retire, or have declined so much that he no longer can contend for slams. But I've stop trying to predict when that day will come. Maybe it was his last chance yesterday. Or maybe he'll go on to win next year. Time will tell.

Either way, I'm looking forward to the US Open. I don't think Federer has much of a chance there but I would never count him out.

It really has been nice to see so many nice posts/threads from posters who aren't Federer fans. I thought this place would be awash with trolls denigrating Federer. While those threads are there, this place is much more bearable than I expected

 

[ibbi]

The amount of threads on this subject is making me think you Fed fanatics need to make some sort of group thread or convo where you can all get together and try to find some collective light amidst the all consuming darkness. You get by with a little help for your friends, after all. You're all in this together, etc.

 

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[Nadal_Django]

I'm having trouble accepting what happened yesterday. It feels even worse than it did yesterday after the match. I could deal with Wimbledon 2014. It was a five setter as well, but Djokovic was the better player throughout that match. It stung, but there was none of that feeling that there was an undeserved winner. Yesterday only one player should have won and that was Federer. Better player in each of the sets, bar the tiebreaks. Served for the match, two championship points in the biggest event in tennis. Lost. It just sucks in every way. It shouldn't have happened. Fed had basically every statistics on his side, yet lost. Obviously credit must be given to Djokovic. No player has ever been as clutch as him. Yet that doesn't make the feeling go away. This wasn't Djokovic's match, this was Roger's.

This loss makes the USO 10 and 11 losses pale in comparison. I simply can't believe Fed lost after having had championship points on his own goddamn serve. I just don't know how to forget about this, and I don't think Federer will either. This has had to scar him. I hope he can get back up and win #21, because he really deserves it. I've read what some Djokovic fans have been saying. That this was karma for the crowd being entirely on Federer's side. Really? Is it Fed's fault that they don't cheer for Djokovic? Also saw someone mentioning the finger wag at the 2011 FO SF. So this was karma for a celebration he did that wasn't directly aimed at Djokovic? Man, some of these fans don't get how many of us Federer fans feel today. At least be respectful, FOR ONCE. I know some great posters like @Hitman and @Djokovic2011 are kind and sensible, but I would have imagined that even the usual suspects could at least be quiet and not talk with utter disrespect to Federer and his fans after yesterday.

Federer beating Nadal and coming so close to beating Djokovic, while being the better player in BOTH matches, at the age of 37 and 11 months, is just insane. If there ever was a doubt regarding who the GOAT is, we got the answer the last couple of days. Despite the loss.

But Federer still lost the match, no!? Let's not make another myth from another Federer defeat, like we did with the 2006 Rome, 2011 USO and many others. There isn't moral victories in tennis I'm afraid.

 

[Omega_7000]

I'm having trouble accepting what happened yesterday. It feels even worse than it did yesterday after the match. I could deal with Wimbledon 2014. It was a five setter as well, but Djokovic was the better player throughout that match. It stung, but there was none of that feeling that there was an undeserved winner. Yesterday only one player should have won and that was Federer. Better player in each of the sets, bar the tiebreaks. Served for the match, two championship points in the biggest event in tennis. Lost. It just sucks in every way. It shouldn't have happened. Fed had basically every statistics on his side, yet lost. Obviously credit must be given to Djokovic. No player has ever been as clutch as him. Yet that doesn't make the feeling go away. This wasn't Djokovic's match, this was Roger's.

This loss makes the USO 10 and 11 losses pale in comparison. I simply can't believe Fed lost after having had championship points on his own goddamn serve. I just don't know how to forget about this, and I don't think Federer will either. This has had to scar him. I hope he can get back up and win #21, because he really deserves it. I've read what some Djokovic fans have been saying. That this was karma for the crowd being entirely on Federer's side. Really? Is it Fed's fault that they don't cheer for Djokovic? Also saw someone mentioning the finger wag at the 2011 FO SF. So this was karma for a celebration he did that wasn't directly aimed at Djokovic? Man, some of these fans don't get how many of us Federer fans feel today. At least be respectful, FOR ONCE. I know some great posters like @Hitman and @Djokovic2011 are kind and sensible, but I would have imagined that even the usual suspects could at least be quiet and not talk with utter disrespect to Federer and his fans after yesterday.

Federer beating Nadal and coming so close to beating Djokovic, while being the better player in BOTH matches, at the age of 37 and 11 months, is just insane. If there ever was a doubt regarding who the GOAT is, we got the answer the last couple of days. Despite the loss.

Karma is a btch and I hope the Nadal and Djokovic fans will go through some immense suffering as payback for how they behaved yesterday.

The crowd cheering for Fed is not Fed's fault. He didn't go out there and pay everyone to cheer for him. People all over the world just like him more and always will no matter who he plays.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Now Federer fans understand how Nadal fans felt after Wimbledon 2018 which he should have won. Maybe they will stop laughing at Nadal so much.

Actually this result put a lot of doubts about who is the GOAT in my opinion. Federer has a long history of terrible chokes. He is also 3-0 down against his main rival in Wimbledon finals. He is still the greatest but I think Djokovic will definitely overcome him now.

You can't compare a break point in a semifinal to having two championship points on your own serve. It's not comparable. With that being said, I never laughed at Nadal for losing that match and haven't seen other Fed fans saying it was karma or anything else either.

 

[KINGROGER]

It is what it is. Unfortunately, converting match points has been difficult for Federer in the closest matches recently and this was no exception. One of the reason this hurts for me is because it's like a repeat of the US Open 2011 semi final and the Wimbledon 2014 final rolled into one. Same opponent, same circumstances.

I got a twinge of feeling this would be Federer's last chance yesterday. However, I felt that way and every Wimbledon lost since 2014. And here he still is, nearly beating Nadal and Djokovic back-to-back to win Wimbledon at age 37. One day he will retire, or have declined so much that he no longer can contend for slams. But I've stop trying to predict when that day will come. Maybe it was his last chance yesterday. Or maybe he'll go on to win next year. Time will tell.

Either way, I'm looking forward to the US Open. I don't think Federer has much of a chance there but I would never count him out.

It really has been nice to see so many nice posts/threads from posters who aren't Federer fans. I thought this place would be awash with trolls denigrating Federer. While those threads are there, this place is much more bearable than I expected

Most know Djokovic got away with it yesterday, so have been acting with a bit of class and humility.

Of course, you have the usual trolls like spencer bore, rabe, nadaldjango doing their thing.

 

[StrongRule]

@Yugram I see you are back. I thought you are going to hide for another month after embarrassing yourself so much.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

I felt exactly the same when Borg lost to McEnroe in 1981. People forget that Borg, despite not playing well, had his chances to win that match. The history of tennis may have changed if he did. I feel that's when he gave up. The US open final was just s sad coda.

The pain will lessen, I promise. But it will never leave you. You will always wake in the middle of the occasional night thinking: what if?

This what I was refering to. Really humble fans here, trying to pour salt in the wounds instead of being respectful. And again, Fed had championship points. Borg lost in 4 sets.

 

[weakera]

There's more GOAT doubt than ever now. Nole looks primed to take the slam record along with weeks at #1. And Bull can still get to 20+ as well.

 

[xan]

Whenever I feel gutted I just remember the runner up won over a million pounds. That makes it harder for me to feel bad for them.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

But Federer still lost the match, no!? Let's not make another myth from another Federer defeat, like we did with the 2006 Rome, 2011 USO and many others. There isn't moral victories in tennis I'm afraid.

He lost the match. I know. Just writing my emotions after yesterday and urging Djokovic fans that for once to be respectful.

 

[vex]

I'm having trouble accepting what happened yesterday. It feels even worse than it did yesterday after the match. I could deal with Wimbledon 2014. It was a five setter as well, but Djokovic was the better player throughout that match. It stung, but there was none of that feeling that there was an undeserved winner. Yesterday only one player should have won and that was Federer. Better player in each of the sets, bar the tiebreaks. Served for the match, two championship points in the biggest event in tennis. Lost. It just sucks in every way. It shouldn't have happened. Fed had basically every statistics on his side, yet lost. Obviously credit must be given to Djokovic. No player has ever been as clutch as him. Yet that doesn't make the feeling go away. This wasn't Djokovic's match, this was Roger's.

This loss makes the USO 10 and 11 losses pale in comparison. I simply can't believe Fed lost after having had championship points on his own goddamn serve. I just don't know how to forget about this, and I don't think Federer will either. This has had to scar him. I hope he can get back up and win #21, because he really deserves it. I've read what some Djokovic fans have been saying. That this was karma for the crowd being entirely on Federer's side. Really? Is it Fed's fault that they don't cheer for Djokovic? Also saw someone mentioning the finger wag at the 2011 FO SF. So this was karma for a celebration he did that wasn't directly aimed at Djokovic? Man, some of these fans don't get how many of us Federer fans feel today. At least be respectful, FOR ONCE. I know some great posters like @Hitman and @Djokovic2011 are kind and sensible, but I would have imagined that even the usual suspects could at least be quiet and not talk with utter disrespect to Federer and his fans after yesterday.

Federer beating Nadal and coming so close to beating Djokovic, while being the better player in BOTH matches, at the age of 37 and 11 months, is just insane. If there ever was a doubt regarding who the GOAT is, we got the answer the last couple of days. Despite the loss.

While I agree that Djoker fans should not be talking crap about Fed, who played fantastic against Djokovic yesterday ... the better player was the mentally tough guy who won the winner take all, high pressure points. Doesn’t matter who won more of the meaningless points if one guy was dramatically better in the deciding moments

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Make a YouTube video. It'll help.

 

[StrongRule]

You can't compare a break point in a semifinal to having two championship points on your own serve. It's not comparable. With that being said, I never laughed at Nadal for losing that match and haven't seen other Fed fans saying it was karma or anything else either.

So many missed chances in the third set tie break, then rushing the net like that in the fifth set...Nadal should have won that match, but he lost it mentally. I agree Federer's choke was much worse though.

I didn't talk about you specifically, not even talking only about this forum. But in general there are lots of "Federer fans" who are actually just Nadal haters.

 

[vex]

He lost the match. I know. Just writing my emotions after yesterday and urging Djokovic fans that for once to be respectful.

Just block the garbage fans, why even interact with them?

 

[TheMaestro1990]

There's more GOAT doubt than ever now. Nole looks primed to take the slam record along with weeks at #1. And Bull can still get to 20+ as well.

Maybe statistically, but anyone watching yesterday can't doubt the talent and tennis skills Federer has. At almost 38, being the better player against two 5+ younger ATGs.

 

[Spencer Gore]

This what I was refering to. Really humble fans here, trying to pour salt in the wounds instead of being respectful. And again, Fed had championship points. Borg lost in 4 sets.

I agree. It's unthinkable that Borg would have blown two championship points and failed to win the match, but the pain was the same, trust me. Worse perhaps, as Borg fans sensed we were about to lose him forever.

 

[OhYes]

Karma is a btch and I hope the Nadal and Djokovic fans will go through some immense suffering as payback for how they behaved yesterday.

The crowd cheering for Fed is not Fed's fault. He didn't go out there and pay everyone to cheer for him. People all over the world just like him more and always will no matter who he plays.

First, how we behaved yesterday?
Second, if any of Nole fans behaved lousy, and you said Fed crowd at Wimby can't be reason for karma, how can Novak fan behaviour deserve karma at Djokovic game ?
You just make no sense but I see you are angry and have noone to take your anger at.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Just block the garbage fans, why even interact with them?

Valid point.

 

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[Im(moral) Winner]

Just block the garbage fans, why even interact with them?

I'm surprised many here insist on taking easy bait.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

The ones that are respectful don't need "urging" (see Hitman's posts in the Federer News thread). The rest won't respond the way you would like, so don't waste your time expecting that.

Hence my notion of Hitman in my post. I haven't even read what he wrote in the Federer News thread, but I know he acts respectful.

 

[JackGates]

There's more GOAT doubt than ever now. Nole looks primed to take the slam record along with weeks at #1. And Bull can still get to 20+ as well.

So, if Federer lost in the first round, there would be less doubt, since he would avoid losing to Djokovic and avoid making an extra GS final?

 

[RF-18]

Now Federer fans understand how Nadal fans felt after Wimbledon 2018 which he should have won. Maybe they will stop laughing at Nadal so much.

Actually this result put a lot of doubts about who is the GOAT in my opinion. Federer has a long history of terrible chokes. He is also 3-0 down against his main rival in Wimbledon finals. He is still the greatest but I think Djokovic will definitely overcome him now.

Dude stop mentioning Nadal in comparison to this. He only had BPs and still would have to serve it out.

You're acting as if Djokovic didn't have chances himself that match. He had far more BP opportunities than Nadal in that match. Nothing was in Nadals Control either as Djokovic was hitting huge serves when BP down.

Nadal definitely should not have won that match.

 

[weakera]

Maybe statistically, but anyone watching yesterday can't doubt the talent and tennis skills Federer has. At almost 38, being the better player against two 5+ younger ATGs.

No one doubts Roger's ability but history won't care if Nole gets to 22-25 slams. And as old as Roger is, Nole is old too relatively speaking. And further still, Nole did not play a great match yesterday.

So, if Federer lost in the first round, there would be less doubt, since he would avoid losing to Djokovic and avoid making an extra GS final?

You're confused. I didn't say the loss hurts him.

 

[StrongRule]

Dude stop mentioning Nadal in comparison to this. He only had BPs and still would have to serve it out.

You're acting as if Djokovic didn't have chances himself that match. He had far more BP opportunities than Nadal in that match. Nothing was in Nadals Control either as Djokovic was hitting huge serves when BP down.

Nadal definitely should not have won that match.

I don't deny Federer's choke was worse. But Nadal still missed a lot of realistic chances.

 

[Yugram]

@Yugram I see you are back. I thought you are going to hide for another month after embarrassing yourself so much.

The only one who embarrass yourself time after time after time is you. I saw some of your post match posts and they were absolutely pathetic, lol.

Anyway felt like I might take a short break until Montreal, but the Djokovic’s win yesterday was so sweet that I’ve decided to see what’s going on here and wasn’t disappointed.

 

[ibbi]

Karma is a btch and I hope the Nadal and Djokovic fans will go through some immense suffering as payback for how they behaved yesterday.

The crowd cheering for Fed is not Fed's fault. He didn't go out there and pay everyone to cheer for him. People all over the world just like him more and always will no matter who he plays.

Did Nadal fans not go through this exact same thing a year ago? Is this the first heartbreaking loss that any tennis player ever faced in the history of the game?

I'm reminded of Roddick's comment when Federer told him he knew what it felt like to lose the Wimbledon final, that "Yeah, but you won it 5 times already". 20 grand slams, guys. 8 Wimbledons. It's a tennis match. The fact he played it in the first place and took it as far as he did is miraculous in itself. Get over it.

 

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[Karma Tennis]

Fed had basically every statistics on his side, yet lost.

Novak led the most important statistic .... Number of Unforced Errors.

In the Modern Game, the player with the fewer UE's usually wins the match.

Novak also won the First Set. Statistically the player who wins the First Set is at a big advantage when it comes to winning the match.

Federer beating Nadal and coming so close to beating Djokovic, while being the better player in BOTH matches, at the age of 37 and 11 months, is just insane. If there ever was a doubt regarding who the GOAT is, we got the answer the last couple of days. Despite the loss.

Oh Please!

Where is YOUR respect for players like Ken Rosewall and Rod Laver?

I assume that you are very young and do not understand the history of this sport.

Federer probably possesses the greatest stroke technique of all time. But his numbers do not support any legitimate claim to GOAT status.
One Roland Garros win. One Channel Slam.
No GRAND SLAMS.
(Also, many of Federer's Major Titles were won before Rafa and Novak hit their form. Compare that with the much tougher competition guys like Rosewall, Laver, Borg, and Sampras had during most of their eras.)

I know the Federer fanatics really love their Roger. But the love often clouds the objective reality of the numbers.

Sorry if that pains you. We can love our favourites all we like. But we can't make up their numbers or their records.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Fed didn’t prove he’s GOAT, or he would have won! Instead, despite how well he played, he couldn’t show the mental strength to win it! He’s lost another huge match to Djokovic, 3 at Wimbledon in a final now! Plus Djokovic is only 4 behind now and he has all the momentum to catch him. Rafa is only 2 behind. The race is on!

Fed is still the man to catch but his target is possible to catch now. He had a chance to secure his legacy and he failed! This might be the match we look back on if Djokovic and Nadal both pass him in majors! It might be the match where fed could end up 3rd at the end in slams rather than 1st!

 

[Jackuar]

OP, I'm with you brother. It stings a lot. Right up there with W2008. Only difference, I sulked away for a month as a teen. Now I've to hit the office this morning, so can't afford the same mourning. I just hope time heals us Fed fans.

((Hugs))

 

[ollinger]

the usual suspects could at least be quiet and not talk with utter disrespect to Federer and his fans after yesterday.

No doubt you were one of the first pricks I thought about that wouldn't show any sign of respect

The OP apparently has lost his belief in respecting other fans. Seriously though, try to be a bit less pathetic and whimpering, accept that part of the fun for sports fans is letting other fans have it a bit when things don't go well (I'm a NY Mets fan and fully expect people to tease me about it'; I take it as the playful fun that it is and then don't give it a second thought). This stuff isn't all that important and being "heartbroken" about it is just silly

 

[Yugram]

No doubt you were one of the first pricks I thought about that wouldn't show any sign of respect and I was right. Ignored.

Lol at Federer fans thinking that everyone must kiss them in the arse just because Chokerer choked for the hundredth time

 

[Karma Tennis]

Fed is still the man to catch but his target is possible to catch now. He had a chance to secure his legacy and he failed! This might be the match we look back on if Djokovic and Nadal both pass him in majors! It might be the match where fed could end up 3rd at the end in slams rather than 1st!

Neither Novak or Rafa have to pass 20 Majors to beat Roger.

Novak just has to win another Roland Garros Title and / or Rafa just has to win another Australian Open Title.

If they do that, they achieve a Double Career Grand Slam and join a very exclusive list of players.

Roger is unlikely to win another Roland Garros Title so the Double Career GS is probably out of his reach now.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Novak led the most important statistic .... Number of Unforced Errors.

In the Modern Game, the player with the fewer UE's usually wins the match.

Novak also won the First Set. Statistically the player who wins the First Set is at a big advantage when it comes to winning the match.



Oh Please!

Where is YOUR respect for players like Ken Rosewall and Rod Laver?

I assume that you are very young and do not understand the history of this sport.

Federer probably possesses the greatest stroke technique of all time. But his numbers do not support any legitimate claim to GOAT status.
One Roland Garros win. One Channel Slam.
No GRAND SLAMS.
(Also, many of Federer's Major Titles were won before Rafa and Novak hit their form. Compare that with the much tougher competition guys like Rosewall, Laver, Borg, and Sampras had during most of their eras.)

I know the Federer fanatics really love their Roger. But the love often clouds the objective reality of the numbers.

Sorry if that pains you. We can love our favourites all we like. But we can't make up their numbers or their records.

Winners/Unforced error ratio Fed was better. That alone shows your lack of understanding of the sport.

I have great respect for Rosewall and Laver. I never wrote a bad word about them. Their achievements are staggering.

Federer's number do support legitimate GOAT status, especially more than any of his contemporaries. I don't know what you're on about, but it's clear you're just another who hasn't learned to be humble and show respect. Put on ignored.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

The OP apparently has lost his belief in respecting other fans. Seriously though, try to be a bit less pathetic and whimpering, accept that part of the fun for sports fans is letting other fans have it a bit when things don't go well (I'm a NY Mets fan and fully expect people to tease me about it'; I take it as the playful fun that it is and then don't give it a second thought). This stuff isn't all that important and being "heartbroken" about it is just silly

Why should you assess what's silly to feel for a person or not? It's ugly to put down people like that. If there ever was a loss to be heartbroken about, it's this one. Call it pathetic or whatever you like. I think it's pathetic to be unable to understand and respect other people's feelings. Ignored as well.

 

[Sephiroth]

I'm not the biggest Fed fan at all but damn I found myself rooting for him yesterday, it would've been without a doubt Fed's greatest slam victory ever.

It was all there for the taking.

 

[jm1980]

Karma is a btch and I hope the Nadal and Djokovic fans will go through some immense suffering as payback for how they behaved yesterday.

The crowd cheering for Fed is not Fed's fault. He didn't go out there and pay everyone to cheer for him. People all over the world just like him more and always will no matter who he plays.

From where I'm standing, it doesn't look like Novak fans are the ones responsible for the worst trolling towards Fed... Even some of the more usual suspects have been quiet in that front

 

[MichaelNadal]

Feeling that VB Wimby 2018 pain. We get it man trust me. I was SO team Fed yesterday. I think im a full fledged fan now.

 

[ollinger]

Why should you assess what's silly to feel for a person or not? It's ugly to put down people like that. If there ever was a loss to be heartbroken about, it's this one. Call it pathetic or whatever you like. I think it's pathetic to be unable to understand and respect other people's feelings. Ignored as well.

Happens in therapy all the time, feelings that are so out of proportion to what has happened (YOU experienced no significant loss in your life yesterday, though you seem to believe you did), should be examined and debunked

 

[Sephiroth]

Feeling that VB Wimby 2018 pain. We get it man trust me. I was SO team Fed yesterday. I think im a full fledged fan now.

Bruh we can't even say this is comparable to Wimby 2018. Nadal would still need to serve it out and that's no given, esp vs Djokovic

This on the other hand was not one but TWO Championship points on Fed's own serve, who's a much better server than our guy mind you, and still lost.

 

[Karma Tennis]

Winners/Unforced error ratio Fed was better. That alone shows your lack of understanding of the sport.

I have great respect for Rosewall and Laver. I never wrote a bad word about them. Their achievements are staggering.

Federer's number do support legitimate GOAT status, especially more than any of his contemporaries. I don't know what you're on about, but it's clear you're just another who hasn't learned to be humble and show respect. Put on ignored.

Errr. I'm a Tennis Statistician.

Winners / UE Ratio is irrelevant at the Elite Level with regards to match results because not all Points are of equal value.

A player cannot control the number of Winners they make. A player can control the number of UEs they make.

Saying that, one would expect Roger to have a much higher W / UE Ratio than Novak on Grass because Grass is Roger's favoured surface. But the Ratio is irrelevant with regards to the Match Result. And this was proven to be true in this match.

Federer's numbers do not support legit GOAT Status at this time. Novak has the superior H2H record. Novak has defeated Roger 3 Times at Wimbledon on Roger's favourite surface. Novak has held all Four Major Titles concurrently on two occasions.

It is not possible to be the GOAT if you do not hold a superior H2H record against all your major opponents.

BTW, I don't care for the personal rivalries between Roger / Novak / Rafa fans. I simply look at the numbers.

Afaic, Laver is the undisputed GOAT because of the two GRAND SLAMS he has. Borg is not far behind with three Channel Slams. Unless you were actually alive at the time those feats were achieved, you can never understand or appreciate how great they were. Youtube video replays cannot do those two players justice in any way.

 

[zorglub76]

People here tend to skew the facts about the match.
1. Novak played awful tennis yesterday. He's a good player, so he still won.
2. Federer played good, but mostly because Novak just watched the balls fly by, and didn't even bother to try and reach them.
3. Novak was choking throughout the match
4. Federer choked even worse on match points
5. This was an awful final, and what makes it epic is just context (Federer being 1000yo in a Wimbledon final; Novak chasing his records; match length; everyone cheering for Federer / against Novak etc.)
All in all, it was 5 hours of my life wasted (well, 4 actually, because I took an hour to read some comics during this miserable match). Yey, Novak won. I'm his fan so it's good for the statistics, but I'll try to forget what I saw.

 

[Sephiroth]

@True Fanerer

Bruh I felt for you