True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Bracket commander huh lol. I read it last night, but was too inebriated to do anythingI'm glad I was able to help you on that one.
Back when you were trolling here like a madman.
It made me smile.
I'm heartbroken
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It made me smile.Champions don’t care about being part of a great match that they lost. That’s just PC crap. Do you really believe that? Watch his press conference after 2008 final to know how he really feels. That was before he was mature enough to cover up his emotions.
Omega_7000
Legend
Actually this has not happened before. Not in 2008 and not even in 2009 or 2011 semi....I was over those in a few hours. This is different. It's lingering on...That sinking feeling. I know it shouldn't bother me but it is and it is bothering a lot of people.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Federer fanaticism in a nutshell: crying on a full stomach.
Like a billionaire going insane because he lost a dime.
Like a billionaire going insane because he lost a dime.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
He's grown as an actor.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
The Fedfather
Legend
That was at least a million yesterday. You want a player you like succeed, and when you're attached to them after years of being a fan it's natural that their victories and defeats feel somewhat personal. You can't always rationalize emotions, and being sad as a supporter after a loss like yesterday's doesn't make you a fanatic.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Calm down please.
AceSalvo
Legend
That’s true. Everyone’s expectation differs. So it will hit everyone in a different way.
To beat Nadal and Djoko back to back was a humongous ask. If someone had taken out Djoko and Fed lost the final, that would hurt even more.
The match was a goner when he lost the first TB, an easy UE at 5-3. How Fed got Championship points is tough to explain.
Considering Djoko won USO and AO and defeated Nadal last year in 5 sets showed he is fine form physically and mentally. The possibility of a Fed win was just very low. That’s why it doesn’t sting for me at least.
Agreed with this and I don’t like the language about Federer “deserving” to win. The guy had two match points on his own serve and he blew it. He emphatically did NOT deserve to win. But as a Fed fan, it’s mighty disappointing to see him play so well against a largely lackluster Djokovic, to keep pressuring Novak continuously throughout a five-hour match, to outperform him in so many metrics, to get to championship point – only to lose. It’s a bummer. He had an opportunity to do something almost unthinkable: beating his two biggest rivals back to back to win Wimbledon a month shy of turning 38. He’ll never get that kind of opportunity again. It’s gone. It’s over. Maybe he’ll win another slam, maybe he’ll even beat Djokovic to do it, but man, was it disappointing seeing him toss this one away.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Ermagerd, some honest analysis, especially coming from a Djoel fan, thanks a bunch lol.
Solid botting from Fed and Djok as well in some clutch moments, but rally quality was totally average for a slam final. Had Fed won even if he should've, it would've still been in large part thanks to Djo losing his sheet repeatedly for significant stretches. Sure, much more exciting than a stomping, but in terms of winner's level this is the worst in ages.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
I think people here take it too personally. I mean, they don't even know the meaning of the word Karma. Federer cannot control who decides to root for him or not. Nor his finger waging celebrations are over the top. Some find it offensive while some find shirt ripping to be a sign of disrespect. There is nothing right or wrong in how an athlete celebrates after a victory because there are a lot of emotions running through their minds and it brings a sense of relief once the match is over.
But what baffles me fans talking about how karma will come and bite the other group. I mean I don't even know if people know what they are talking about and what Karma is about. It's actually funny to think that 'bad' Djokovic fans will face Karma just because Djokovic will end up getting defeated at some point to some X, Y,Z player on a tennis court. Kind of weird!
So ever brought up this Karma thingy, i would suggest you add them to ignore them and move on. Roger is a great player. He still has 1 more slam in him for sure. It could be the next AO where surfaces have been sped up.
Why would you be happy about this result? Doesn't make any sense from a Nadal-fan standpoint
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Djoker keeping Fed at two slam distance from RAFA?
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Who said I'm "happy" about it? You think because I can post joyfully today as always the result necessarily made me happy? I'm merely not depraved enough to have my emotional balance disrupted by the results of a tennis match.
Darrell
Rookie
I'm with you on this one. I've never felt this either, and I've watched all the painful losses. I don't think it's so much that he lost, but it's the way that he lost. I know he has lost before being match points up before on Nole, but not at Wimbledon. I think I would have felt much better if he had gotten beaten the way Halep did Serena, but losing in the fashion that he lost is just........ I don't even have the words.
Sorry_to_tell_you_mate
Professional
I was with you until that last sentence.
FederErizeD
Hall of Fame
**** your statistics if you're too dumb to see he's 5+ years older than them you imbecile, and that Novak couldn't lay a glove on him until he turned 30.
So ****ing stupid.
Awwwwww, I feel so heartbroken too after reading this poem.
If it makes you feel any better, this might cheer you up a little: I am positive that Nadal is going to win the French Open 2020, not Mentalovic.
Peace, brother!
Time for some perspective. Life moves on. Sport is escapism from the harsh realities of life.
There are people who have real issues to worry about. Federer played great...he lost but life goes on.
I do think many Federer fans are too uptight about this whole Goat thing. Why im not too sure.
There are people who have real issues to worry about. Federer played great...he lost but life goes on.
I do think many Federer fans are too uptight about this whole Goat thing. Why im not too sure.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
cheer up, guys... as always after wasting match points, roger already moved on: he's singing as we speak!
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
lmao you are so full of ****, you make nothing but baiting threads and then are like i think fed fans are too uptight about teh whole goat thing, god your trolling ass isnt even subtle
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Maestro Federer swears he will win another major. but hasn't he already surpassed all his expectations by winning 20 already ?
TennisaGoGo
Semi-Pro
Fed’s reply to his fans
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
llol i do love how he still referenced that match though, he was like unlike wimbledon 2008, there were no external factors that influenced this one. honestly i'm sure fed is over it, but i still feel some type of way about them not stopping it when they turned off hawkeye
The Shape-shifter
Rookie
I am a Fedfan and I am also sad, but our pain is childplay compared to a typical Liverpool FC supporter over the last decade.
socalmd123
Professional
I think 20-30 years from now, regardless what he does from here and regardless if he deserves it, Federer will be thought of as GOAT. This loss doesn't tarnish him in the long run because he had 2 match points against his biggest rival who is 6 years younger.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
Indy 500 1992 still hurts more ... "Michael is slowing down."
Rhino
Legend
I’m a huge Fed fan but you have to see it for what it is.
It’s just sport and it’s about perspective. You can believe it means everything if you chose to but you can just as easily believe it means nothing.
It’s not your life, it’s Federers life. And even for him, I bet he can shake it off. It’s just a tennis match, albeit an “important” tennis match, but it’s actually nothing really.
And another perspective is that it’s an opportunity. An opportunity to practice taking unfortunate results well, which is a good skill to master.
It’s just sport and it’s about perspective. You can believe it means everything if you chose to but you can just as easily believe it means nothing.
It’s not your life, it’s Federers life. And even for him, I bet he can shake it off. It’s just a tennis match, albeit an “important” tennis match, but it’s actually nothing really.
And another perspective is that it’s an opportunity. An opportunity to practice taking unfortunate results well, which is a good skill to master.
duaneeo
Legend
Beating Nadal and coming so close to beating Djokovic is little consolation for choking a 9th Wimbledon/21st slam.
Purplemonster
Hall of Fame
The better player always wins, that’s why there is a scoring system. Hitting more winners, pretty shots and playing aggressive tennis doesn’t make you the better player. The better player is the one that wins the last point. Even a 10 year old understands that.
Djokovic has a bigger set of balls than Federer. It’s always been the case and it is was clearly evident throughout the match.
Djokovic has a bigger set of balls than Federer. It’s always been the case and it is was clearly evident throughout the match.
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Subway Tennis
Legend
I don't think the final helped Federer in GOAT terms, but it may have done something more important for his current day Mindset. If he didn't already, he surely has the proof he needs that even in his late 30s, right now, he can still put himself in the position to beat anyone and that those major-winning days are not over.
He very nearly did something he has never done before in going through Rafa and then Novak consecutively to win a major. Its as close as he has ever come to achieving that feat imo. That must be a very good feeling.
His level in the SF was insane, and he played brilliantly in the final without luck.
He has also made a significant recent improvements in his consistency. He went deep in RG, and backed it up superbly in terms of recovery in Halle and going all the way to the Wimbledon final.
I am as big a Federer critic as anyone on here, but this Wimbledon changed my perception of what he is still capable of.
From a personal preference standpoint I'm a Nadal and Murray guy, but I imagine Federer fans have a lot to be proud of at this Wimbledon. The grace of that acceptance speech Federer made, when he would have been seriously pissed off, not taking the attention off Djokovic while still being gracious to him (when they are not close) is one of the classiest things I've seen in a long time on a tennis court.
That stuff still counts for something. In this case it was a good example of how good Federer is at compartmentalizing losses. He had already dealt with it by the trophy presentation.
It feels crazy to say this, but Roger might be 2nd favourite for US Open a decade after he last won it.
He very nearly did something he has never done before in going through Rafa and then Novak consecutively to win a major. Its as close as he has ever come to achieving that feat imo. That must be a very good feeling.
His level in the SF was insane, and he played brilliantly in the final without luck.
He has also made a significant recent improvements in his consistency. He went deep in RG, and backed it up superbly in terms of recovery in Halle and going all the way to the Wimbledon final.
I am as big a Federer critic as anyone on here, but this Wimbledon changed my perception of what he is still capable of.
From a personal preference standpoint I'm a Nadal and Murray guy, but I imagine Federer fans have a lot to be proud of at this Wimbledon. The grace of that acceptance speech Federer made, when he would have been seriously pissed off, not taking the attention off Djokovic while still being gracious to him (when they are not close) is one of the classiest things I've seen in a long time on a tennis court.
That stuff still counts for something. In this case it was a good example of how good Federer is at compartmentalizing losses. He had already dealt with it by the trophy presentation.
It feels crazy to say this, but Roger might be 2nd favourite for US Open a decade after he last won it.
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sbengte
G.O.A.T.
If it helps, just think that this was not about luck at all, though it seemed like that when the match ended.
It was about not learning from past mistakes, not doing anything about staying calm and keeping your nerves in check at the biggest of moments. He had enough time to learn over the past several years when he started blowing MPs and then CPs last year. Staying calm, staying in the moment is an art that can be learnt and practiced, it is not something you are born with. It is a must at the very top level of pro sports.
Too bad team Fed have not realized and done something about it over the years after what became a pattern of choking away big matches and MPs and letting nerves take over. Given the patterns, this was waiting to happen. Hopefully it is a wake up call and they will learn something from it.
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TheAssassin
Legend
It's just a game...
Keystoner
Semi-Pro
I may have felt this way as well if he didn't have two MPs.
Karma Tennis
Legend
No Way !
Federer burns to hold on to the Major Titles Record. It is pretty much what defines his Career. He wants to extend it as much as possible.
IMO, whoever of the Big 3 ends up with the most Major Titles will keep that record for a very very very long time, probably several decades.
The sport has evolved so much over the past twenty years. There are so many juniors who dream of being successful tennis players. The Tennis Industry is bigger than it has ever been. More juniors, more players, more coaching, more competition. The likelihood of one dominant player winning 20 or more Major Titles in the future is very low.
The way the sport is going, I find it hard to see one player winning 8 or 9 Wimbledon Titles, or 12 Roland Garros Titles, or 7 Australian Open Titles. To achieve 20 Major Titles would require a player to achieve at least two of those feats. Can't see it happening again.
BUT does the Major Titles Record really matter?
A player might come along and win 4 of each of the Majors Titles (ie 4xAO, 4xRG, 4xWimb, 4xUSO). And perhaps a GRAND SLAM as well. Would that player be viewed as a Greater player than any of the current Big 3? (No Male player has achieved the Quad Career Grand Slam).
What if a player comes along and equals Laver's feat? A GRAND SLAM at each end of their career. What if that player achieves three GRAND SLAMS?
See, records are only as meaningful as people want to make them.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
Awww. I for sure thought that tennis wouldn't do me dirty when serena lost the way she did. In 2017 when venus lost that hurt my soul but then tennis evened it out by fed winning. I dont have the same emotional attachment to serena so I was able to get over it quickly not to mention it was so short by set 2 I was like over it but federerer...nope still hurting.
ForehandRF
Legend
Back in the day, when he had match points on his serve, Fed used to serve a ace or an unreturnable serve and close the match.This was the perfect match where he should have shown the same mental strenght he showed in the 2017 AO against Nadal.Had he won both 2011 USO SF and this one, the GOAT debate today would have looked very, very different.Those 2 matches would have changed tennis history, but it wasn't ment to be it seems.0-3 in Wimbledon Finals against Djokovic will always stink and no excuse should be made for these results because age has nothing to do with the lack of clutchness on important points.This final proves that his problem with Djokovic post 2012 in BO5 is more mental than anything else.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
It's just crazy how he couldn't win one of those 2 points when he hit so many aces in the match.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Age > decline > lack of confidence > less clutch. Works for everyone. Fed was always a bit chokey against equals but the problem has been getting worse and worse the further he is from peak.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
To an extent, but there's a natural aptitude for it too, like for any shot.
ScottleeSV
Hall of Fame
It's perfectly normal to be upset when your team loses in football. Why shouldn't it be the same for tennis?
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
To me it's not that crazy. How many serves per ace for the match? About 7 or 8? I know he served back to back aces just prior, but the probability likely resets. A shame though, for sure. It also didn't help that some idiot in the crowd interrupted his service rhythm at the 40-15 CP.
tennishabit
Legend
lolololol, man.......dat's exactly happened as i looked at the tv live coverage time schedule 1115pm-0415am..........gee, how did any1 know dat time b4 the match unless some1 highup told joker to fool around......fool the fed n audience around:?)))...............................
also look at the 3 tbs, almost same................how the hell could be a 'struggling own-game holder who got broken points so easily' then all of a sudden top his gears when 2 match points against him n copy/pasted all 3 tbs points by points:?)))...........defying the basic common sense, man.........................
also by looking at the face of fed right after the handshake, well..........boyohboy, so miserable or u might say horrible........he's not a fool n no one in the tennis world could fool him. he knew exactly wat the joker did 2 him.............
appreciate joker's capacity/authority/goaty/watavaty/etcetcetc of playing or acting or watava..........but, it's not a genuine/honest/decent sportsmanship, man. though, still ok for long match hrs inserting more ads n entertaining the stupid crowd.................
...............................also look at the 3 tbs, almost same................how the hell could be a 'struggling own-game holder who got broken points so easily' then all of a sudden top his gears when 2 match points against him n copy/pasted all 3 tbs points by points:?)))...........defying the basic common sense, man
.........................also by looking at the face of fed right after the handshake, well..........boyohboy, so miserable or u might say horrible........he's not a fool n no one in the tennis world could fool him. he knew exactly wat the joker did 2 him
.............appreciate joker's capacity/authority/goaty/watavaty/etcetcetc of playing or acting or watava..........but, it's not a genuine/honest/decent sportsmanship, man. though, still ok for long match hrs inserting more ads n entertaining the stupid crowd
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True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I'm already looking ahead to Cincy and UO.
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