Modern Tennis Tips by Oscar Wegner

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  1. luvforty

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    3 US guys in the tennis top 50;
    25 (!!) in the golf top 50.

    forget about (many reasons)... something is seriously wrong here.
     
  2. 5263

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    Thank you. Oscar may add or correct from his perspective of course, but imo
    if you are happy with your shot, there is little reason for change. If you get to
    the pt that you want more rhs, that could be a way to help. If you have
    any depth control problems, it could help, but if it feels good and automatic
    for you and you are happy with your execution...no, no concern imo.
    I think if the vid you are seeing does not match with what you hear from Oscar,
    it's terminology, because his version is the bare basics that all the good Fhs
    I've seen tend to contain. It might help if you give a basic Oscar denotes
    that you see different. Related to above, most high level Fhs lead with top edge,
    or some closed face as some say it.
     
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    lets tell all those US tennis players that aren't in the top 50 to massage the ball, count to five, stalk the ball, find the ball from bellow, and yank up and across. Once they understand the essence of modern tennis, there will surely be more in the top 25.

    You're missing the point luvfofty. How many of those players in the tennis top 50 train in the united states??? In the top fitfty women and top fifty men? How many train here? I'm curious? Out of those 100 players how many train here?
     
  4. luvforty

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    you tell me
     
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    A lot of them. Lol
     
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    Are you going to be nice and ask sincere questions or go back to insults and
    sarcasm?
     
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    Yes, many train here with their foreign coaches.
    Nicest country in the world for those with money &
    great weather to boot!
     
  8. sureshs

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    Many train here. It is a global world now. Many governments are spending money sending their kids to Evert and Bollitierri. Somdev trains here, Jankovic trains here (she mentioned how Nick fixed a flaw in her forehand).

    And, as expected, many European coaches are in Sanchez-Casal and Henin's place. Many American coaches are living as expats coaching abroad. There is a free diffusion of ideas.
     
  9. Relinquis

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    haha. just because you call him Ralph instead of Rafael doesn't make him American.

    apart from WTA. the US is doing something wrong with it's approach to men's tennis. what changed from the legendary country that produced so many big players, McEnroe, Sampras, Aggassi and Roddick to one that can only produce an Isner (one trick pony) and a few 50+ guys.

    where is the flair? where is the american Tsonga, or Monfis? where is the power on the ground? where is the American DelPotro, Almagro or Verdasco? and yes, where is the American Federer?

    is it the lack of claycourt experience? is it the lack of emphasis on backhand? do/can you teach fighting spirit? is american tennis training allowing players to be creative like in the past? all i see is big serve and the occasional big forehand and injuries in your mid-20s. that's it. Sampras had a fabulous backhand, aggassi and roddick had amazing movement, McEnroe had the touch. Every american I see now is just big serve and no ground game, or is a textbook pusher. it's all foreplay, no orgasm.

    the only exception from the new guys is this Stevie Johnson guy. He's a fighter, has heart. all he needs is a proper backhand and some clay court experience and he will go far.

    you guys should have at least one guy in the top ten, maybe even a french open champion.
     
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    ^^^ So I guess Roddick doesn't count at all? He was the only credible threat to Fed in his prime.

    And the Bryans?
     
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    dubs don't count
     
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    well, the point is, 3 out of top 50 is under-representation, no matter how you cut it
     
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    i mentioned roddick (retired and was one of the few successes of his generation anyway).

    the bryans are doing a fabulous job, but dubs is different. we're talking singles men.

    with all the college players, juniors, sponsorship, access and money in tennis in the usa i can't imagine why you don't have more top players.
     
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    In most countries, athletic boys of all social classes, will play either soccer or tennis. In America, athletic boys will play or do football, basketball, baseball, soccer, lacrosse, track, volleyball, hockey, skateboarding, video games.

    We just do not have enough very athletic and hungry boys involved in tennis to beat the odds of producing another champion. Also, back in the day tennis was not as global. Mac did not battle as many well trained Russians, Serbians, Spaniards, etc.
     
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    send a couple of your boys to spain for a year or two. it worked for andy murray!
     
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    And like Sampras, but even more so, totally went as his serve went. Without
    2-3 free pts on each svc game,....no chance.
     
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    One of the best options going, by far.
     
  18. sureshs

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    Serve is part of the game. People who cannot win free points on their serve can trade groundstrokes all day, so what? Often makes for boring viewing.

    Ultimately, Roddick won a Slam in the Federer era. Only results matter.
     
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    Excellent points. Other factors are: dropping out from school at age 16 in Europe (some parts) to pursue tennis, reliance of social safety net in case it does not work out (this was actually explained by a poster from Germany once as to why he was taking up professional tennis), more guaranteed money and protection in unionized American sports, social image of tennis, deliberate slowing down of courts.

    These are the factors of any significance.
     
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    ^^^ but all the stuff above was roughly the same when sampras/agassi/courier/chang emerged on the scene.

    something else went wrong.
     
  21. luvforty

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    not to mention the 2nd tier guys like wheaton, washington, martin etc
     
  22. sureshs

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    No, global awareness of tennis is way higher now. And rackets and apparel are far more affordable today in emerging nations.
     
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    same argument can be made for golf, why is US not losing dominance there?
     
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    Golf is a different beast. In many countries, nice real estate like that would be converted into living spaces in the blink of an eye. Golf is still a very elite sport globally, while tennis is becoming affordable.

    But I hardly follow golf. Others can comment on your question.
     
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    I was talking about across as opposed to backwards (which seemed too be your implication of in), not as opposed to pull. For a more detailed explanation I am more in agreance with:
    And:
    As you wrote yourself:
    I think many more players can do this than Federer and Nadal.

    Actually I think swiping the ball is very descriptive of a typical modern forehand. It is a happy medium between hitting squarely, and brushing. And it has no vertical/lateral implications. Plus it sounds right: You ssswipe the ball.
     
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    You can not hit with a limb arm. And hitting with a fixed arm does not seem right. So there must be some dynamic muscle action, as in contraction (pull). Just reflecting on this.
     
  27. sureshs

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    Obviously. Even to "push" something, skeletal muscles contract in pairs (flexor and extensor) (because skeletal muscles cannot expand). That is how joints are operated. Don't confuse this contraction (or pull as you call it) with the overall effect of the body on an object.
     
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    Of course it is part of the game and the US has tried to lean on it way too much.
    You can't expect most of your prospects to be fantastic servers, but you CAN
    develop players to play well off the ground. At least they can always compete
    well in that case.

    And NO, big servers tend to be more boring, along with points off the ground
    don't just trade all day. They develop a pt and earn it with depth to their game.
    Like Fed, Great players can win free pts on serve and build pts with a level of
    consistency.
     
  29. sureshs

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    LOL you think Roddick cannot play off the ground? Do you even realize what you are talking about? His forehand used to be one of the best in his day.
     
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    Not a top 20 player with an avg serve...end of story.
    Likely would not have ever got on tour to start with without that monster serve.
     
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    So what? We need different styles of players. Otherwise there will only be Nadal and Fed clones, and one way to do everything. Learn to enjoy variety and appreciate the level of tennis all these guys play, instead of putting on one pair of lenses to look at the world, just to push some argument through. It is getting tiring.
     
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    tired...then step out of a thread where you don't understand the topic.

    Everyone likes styles, but this thread is about modern tips and yes, some include
    the serve, but most are about how to play off the ground.
     
  33. sureshs

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    Yeah and Roddick doesn't know how to play off the ground, in your fantasy world. We know what your agenda is: insult American players, marginalize their achievements, somehow account for the Fab 4 without really appreciating them, and glorify Spanish players, all as a way of hitting out at American coaches. All this despite the fact that you have not produced any pro player, Spanish or American or anyone else, and never played at a high level. Your agenda is so transparent, but the problem is you have really started thinking that way, and just cannot see it how it really is.
     
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    I really hope it is transparent! I will repeat it every day if you like. We need to
    do way better in the US in player development. We need more coaches who
    can teach and develop with more modern technique and ability off the ground!
    Keep developing great servers, but don't rely on it!
    I like MTM, but find who you like who can help you learn to play quality modern
    strokes.
    Yes....I'm totally transparent.
    thanks!
     
  35. sureshs

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    OK let us bury the hatchet here and move on
     
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    Glad to accept your suggestion after clearing up one more big point.

    I don't insult US players or coaches. I'm just stating the state of the game as
    any good coach or player can see. US coaches did what was presented to
    them and actually overachieved in many cases on both fronts.
    In most cases the coaches were too good of students, but with bad info.
    I take my hats off to them!
    Pete and Andy are 2 of my favorite all time players and I love the big serve.
    In fact I just love to think what they could have done with better fundamentals
    in their game from the start. Anyone could see that Andy could hardly slice or
    volley when he got to the Majors, and the Bh was below avg.
    Makes his results even more impressive to his CREDIT.
     
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    Relation to OP?

    What is a relation of this post to OP?
     
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    What does this one have??:)

    But yes, it does relate to how Oscar's tips are about helping US
    instruction on a broad basis. It relates to the difference in insults vs
    just stating the situation.
    It speaks to how I would love to see Andy if his game had used more
    of things like what Oscar is sharing here. Even his serve, like Pete's serve &
    famous bolo, didn't come directly from the coaching he got.
     
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    Andy's serve came from experimenting in frustration, and one day he just found the magic combo for him. Throughout his career, purists insisted that his shoulder would collapse with that action, but he somehow got through.
     
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    correct, many did.
    Some of us did comment on tp forum, that it seemed to hit the proper wickets
    though, and might be fine. Some of us were just concerned that it just so
    violent and aggressive, which did have a long term effect as expected.
     
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