Nadal - Djokovic H2H off clay

[Hitman]

Djokovic leads the H2H on hard more than Nadal leads the H2H on clay, and the H2H is split on grass. Their last match on grass went 5, indoors, with identical winners and UFEs, with both playing their best grass match in years (Djoker since 2015, Ned since.. 2011? 2010?) and their best to this date. This was also their only grass match in 11 years.

So to say Djokovic “owns” grass is… propaganda. Djokovic owns hard court for sure but that’s it

And who is to blame for that? Do you think the Nadal who was losing to players outside the top 100 on grass year after year after year was going to beat a guy who was going into wars in the semis and finals with Federer, Murray and Del Potro?

 

[Hitman]

And up until 2013 , Djokovic was favoured on HC but on some occasions it was still 50-50,

Nadal's lateral movement dropping off a huge cliff and his defence oriented to Djokovic's total domination on HCs of course not withstanding the Becker effect, but even without Becker Djokovic was going to dominate Nadal

From 2016, when Djokovic left his own prime
The domination has been unchallenged because the serve return combo favours Djokovic by a landslide and even ignoring that, the baseline game and HC patterns of Djokovic are more suited to HC with Nadal always having to play catch up from the get go

Djokovic didn't dominate Federer the same way because Federer had a far superior serve which could more often than not bail him out and his own game pattern was more suited to HC

In general Djokovic has always been favored on HC, he was putting a hurting on Nadal from the second match they had.

Both had a point where they pushed each other hard on the other's respective surface, but Nadal held his ground on clay and Djokovic on hard when the smoke cleared.

 

[Tennfan123]

Such a good topic you recycled it in great detail.
2013 must be a very important date in history. Like 2011.
I’m off to do some cherry picking. Au revoir.

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Twice since 2013: Wimb 2018 and AO 2019.

An ATG 5 setter and a blowout lol

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

In general Djokovic has always been favored on HC, he was putting a hurting on Nadal from the second match they had.

Both had a point where they pushed each other hard on the other's respective surface, but Nadal held his ground on clay and Djokovic on hard when the smoke cleared.

How I wish Nadal had that USO 2010 serve always

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

In general Djokovic has always been favored on HC, he was putting a hurting on Nadal from the second match they had.

Both had a point where they pushed each other hard on the other's respective surface, but Nadal held his ground on clay and Djokovic on hard when the smoke cleared.

Djokovic still pushes but I really wish Nadal can return the favor

 

[Hitman]

An ATG 5 setter and a blowout lol

Since Wimbledon 2018 when BOTH were back to winning slams, this has been the result in slam meetings when BOTH were playing and the other didn't make it.

USO 2018 - Nadal did not make it.
Roland Garros 2019 - Djokovic did not make it
Wimbledon 2019 - Nadal did not make it
USO 2019 - Djokovic did not make it
AO 2020 - Nadal did not make it
AO 2021 - Nadal did not make it
Wimbledon 2022 - Nadal did not make it

They did however play

AO 2019
RG 2020
RG 2021
RG 2022

Can you see the pattern here?

 

[Hitman]

How I wish Nadal had that USO 2010 serve always

It wasn't natural for him, he stated it a few times.

Djokovic still pushes but I really wish Nadal can return the favor

That is because despite the surfaces, Djokovic matches up better with Nadal than the other way around. It's Nadal' superior clay prowess that overcomes that on clay, but on HC, unless Nadal is at his full peak in every way, the match up just goes against him.

 

[Roubaixcomp]

Djokovic has been the best player in Australia from 2011 till now
Nadal has been the best player in France from 2005 till now
Djokovic has been the best player in UK from 2014 till now
Djokovic has been the best player in New York from 2015 till now.

It is simple, there is no need to go deep into complex calculations. Nothing would have changed even if they met anywhere in between when both were fit.

How has Djokovic been best player in NY since 2015? He has one win there. Nadal has 2. Not sure why 2015 is a cut off point or have I missed the point of the thread?

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

How has Djokovic been best player in NY since 2015? He has one win there. Nadal has 2. Not sure why 2015 is a cut off point or have I missed the point of the thread?

Agree , I can at least think reasons for 2011 but 2015 is so random lol

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Since Wimbledon 2018 when BOTH were back to winning slams, this has been the result in slam meetings when BOTH were playing and the other didn't make it.

USO 2018 - Nadal did not make it.
Roland Garros 2019 - Djokovic did not make it
Wimbledon 2019 - Nadal did not make it
USO 2019 - Djokovic did not make it
AO 2020 - Nadal did not make it
AO 2021 - Nadal did not make it
Wimbledon 2022 - Nadal did not make it

They did however play

AO 2019
RG 2020
RG 2021
RG 2022

Can you see the pattern here?

Both of them are injured or absent at USO, and Nadal is knocked out before meeting Djokovic in AO and WIM

 

[Roubaixcomp]

It wasn't natural for him, he stated it a few times.



That is because despite the surfaces, Djokovic matches up better with Nadal than the other way around. It's Nadal' superior clay prowess that overcomes that on clay, but on HC, unless Nadal is at his full peak in every way, the match up just goes against him.

The last sentence is correct. To win on HC Nadal has to be at his very best and even then in my view it's only at Majors he can beat Djokovic as if both at their best over a long 4hr plus match I think Rafa will generally outlast Djokovic as his FH is a killer to deal with over and over. Perhaps add in IW and Canada where the ball spits up high.
What that translates to is Nadal has to be hitting his FHDTL and BHDTL with venom and precision. He tends to save those two shots off clay to the Majors in the latter rounds. I don't think on quicker courts they are natural shots for him in the same way say Novak used to be able to his BHDTL in his sleep before his elbow injury. Outside of Majors Rafa tends to hit the bulk of his shots cross court in his usual pattern which is good enough against most but was not good enough against Novak.

 

[Hitman]

Both of them are injured or absent at USO, and Nadal is knocked out before meeting Djokovic in AO and WIM

I would always favor Nadal on clay, and Djokovic off of it. To me the rivalry is so clearly dependent on whether they have dirt under their feet or not.

 

[Hitman]

The last sentence is correct. To win on HC Nadal has to be at his very best and even then in my view it's only at Majors he can beat Djokovic as if both at their best over a long 4hr plus match I think Rafa will generally outlast Djokovic as his FH is a killer to deal with over and over. Perhaps add in IW and Canada where the ball spits up high.
What that translates to is Nadal has to be hitting his FHDTL and BHDTL with venom and precision. He tends to save those two shots off clay to the Majors in the latter rounds. I don't think on quicker courts they are natural shots for him in the same way say Novak used to be able to his BHDTL in his sleep before his elbow injury. Outside of Majors Rafa tends to hit the bulk of his shots cross court in his usual pattern which is good enough against most but was not good enough against Novak.

I think you are underselling Nadal here. At his best, he can hold his own against Djokovic on all surfaces and events. He pushed Djokovic hard at AO 2012, he pushed him to the brink at Miami 2011. His issue is, unlike Djokovic who doesn't need to be at 100% to beat Nadal on HC, Nadal has to be close to 100%.

 

[jl809]

And who is to blame for that? Do you think the Nadal who was losing to players outside the top 100 on grass year after year after year was going to beat a guy who was going into wars in the semis and finals with Federer, Murray and Del Potro?

Sure, they could have played more from 2013 to 2016 and Nadal could have lost all of them, and I would still be questioning why that means Djokovic “owns the grass”. Those matches have as much bearing on the current Nadal as his prime from 2006-2011 does.

Since 2018, an incredibly close match in unfavourable conditions for Nadal, they haven’t played on grass once. Yet Djokovic fans on this site - and maybe this wasn’t your intention - have used that one match to present the matchup on that surface as fait accompli. The reality is that unlike HC there is no evidence to suggest Nadal is still in Djokovic’s pocket on grass. They barely ever play on that surface.

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

The last sentence is correct. To win on HC Nadal has to be at his very best and even then in my view it's only at Majors he can beat Djokovic as if both at their best over a long 4hr plus match I think Rafa will generally outlast Djokovic as his FH is a killer to deal with over and over. Perhaps add in IW and Canada where the ball spits up high.
What that translates to is Nadal has to be hitting his FHDTL and BHDTL with venom and precision. He tends to save those two shots off clay to the Majors in the latter rounds. I don't think on quicker courts they are natural shots for him in the same way say Novak used to be able to his BHDTL in his sleep before his elbow injury. Outside of Majors Rafa tends to hit the bulk of his shots cross court in his usual pattern which is good enough against most but was not good enough against Novak.

Even in his usual pattern of play , I'd like to Nadal to boss up the rallies more because the power differential in their shots are clear though he's obviously changed this from 2017+ but still reverts back to his old pattern against Djokovic like it's 2012

 

[Hitman]

Sure, they could have played more from 2013 to 2016 and Nadal could have lost all of them, and I would still be questioning why that means Djokovic “owns the grass”. Those matches have as much bearing on the current Nadal as his prime from 2006-2011 does.

Since 2018, an incredibly close match in unfavourable conditions for Nadal, they haven’t played on grass once. Yet Djokovic fans on this site - and maybe this wasn’t your intention - have used that one match to present the matchup on that surface as fait accompli. The reality is that unlike HC there is no evidence to suggest Nadal is still in Djokovic’s pocket on grass. They barely ever play on that surface.

Well, Wimbledon 2007, really isn't much of a win for Nadal. Djokovic came in injured, was on pain killers and was actually leading the match, before the pain started to overtake him, they then split the first two sets. Now if you want to count that as a great win for Nadal, sure, but to me, Nadal won because the match was stopped, he certainly didn't have an assured win on his hands when they started playing.

Djokovic is one who has won both their completed matches at Wimbledon when both were fully fit, both outdoors and indoors. He was waiting for Nadal for years to come back to him after W 2011. Nadal not making it to him is on Nadal, had he made it to him, he would have been torched during those years.

 

[Roubaixcomp]

I think you are underselling Nadal here. At his best, he can hold his own against Djokovic on all surfaces and events. He pushed Djokovic hard at AO 2012, he pushed him to the brink at Miami 2011. His issue is, unlike Djokovic who doesn't need to be at 100% to beat Nadal on HC, Nadal has to be close to 100%.

Well yes I do agree but I think back to some of their early matched pre 2008 when Rafa was close to his best and Novak was still developing and on hard court Djokovic at M1000 level at times just gave Rafa beatdowns. So your point is bang on. Novak is of course the best hard court player of all time and is so natural on the stuff. In fact in terms of natural talent Djokovic maybe the most naturally gifted player ever above Roger. Watched some old matches of his last week and when he was on and relaxed he had no weakness at all. Had every single tennis shot in the book.

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 how many time did they meet before 2011 when Djokovic wasn't even a half a player that was from 2011 onwards?

How many times did they meet after 2013 when Nadal is not even a quarter of a player that he used to be..

This works both ways

 

[Hitman]

Well yes I do agree but I think back to some of their early matched pre 2008 when Rafa was close to his best and Novak was still developing and on hard court Djokovic at M1000 level at times just gave Rafa beatdowns. So your point is bang on. Novak is of course the best hard court player of all time and is so natural on the stuff. In fact in terms of natural talent Djokovic maybe the most naturally gifted player ever above Roger. Watched some old matches of his last week and when he was on and relaxed he had no weakness at all. Had every single tennis shot in the book.

It's a 50-50 rivalry, lets call it as it is. Overall, neither owns the other when you look at their careers. Both have lost very tight matches to other on the other's best surface also, Djokovic's losses at Madrid 2009 and RG 2013 are as close as they come.

 

[Roubaixcomp]

Well, Wimbledon 2007, really isn't much of a win for Nadal. Djokovic came in injured, was on pain killers and was actually leading the match, before the pain started to overtake him, they then split the first two sets. Now if you want to count that as a great win for Nadal, sure, but to me, Nadal won because the match was stopped, he certainly didn't have an assured win on his hands when they started playing.

Djokovic is one who has won both their completed matches at Wimbledon when both were fully fit, both outdoors and indoors. He was waiting for Nadal for years to come back to him after W 2011. Nadal not making it to him is on Nadal, had he made it to him, he would have been torched during those years.

Don't think there is any dispute Djokovic is better on grass than Rafa. 7-2 in titles is no fluke. I've seen some suggest Rafa would have beat Novak this year at W. Don't see it myself personally the way Novak was returning. On grass there are two fundamental key shots. Serve and return. Both are areas Novak is way better than Rafa. And on grass physicality is not such and advantage. Seen some suggest a fit Nadal would have won Uso. Again Don't see it as I feel Alcaraz would have taken him. Alcaraz was destined to win US Open this year after that classic v Tsitsipas last year.

 

[Roubaixcomp]

It's a 50-50 rivalry, lets call it as it is. Overall, neither owns the other when you look at their careers. Both have lost very tight matches to other on the other's best surface also, Djokovic's losses at Madrid 2009 and RG 2013 are as close as they come.

I think it's why both want the slam record but won't lose any sleep if the other has it. I think they just love their rivalry and accept it is just special and as close as can be. Note the irritation in Djokovics face when asked If Alcaraz was his biggest rival. He wasn't having any part of that as he clearly cherishes the Nad rivalry as does Rafa with Novak. I just hope they don't hold hands when one of them retires!!!

 

[Hitman]

Don't think there is any dispute Djokovic is better on grass than Rafa. 7-2 in titles is no fluke. I've seen some suggest Rafa would have beat Novak this year at W. Don't see it myself personally the way Novak was returning. On grass there are two fundamental key shots. Serve and return. Both are areas Novak is way better than Rafa. And on grass physicality is not such and advantage. Seen some suggest a fit Nadal would have won Uso. Again Don't see it as I feel Alcaraz would have taken him. Alcaraz was destinedo win US Open this year after that classic v Tsitsipas last year.

Yeah, I mean, I think Nadal would have given Djokovic a decent fight, I was saying that during the event, but throughout it all, I never said anything other than Djokovic is still the fav to win it.

Nadal was injured for USO, so don't think he was winning regardless. His form was very poor.

 

[Hitman]

I think it's why both want the slam record but won't lose any sleep if the other has it. I think they just love their rivalry and accept it is just special and as close as can be. Note the irritation in Djokovics face when asked If Alcaraz was his biggest rival. He wasn't having any part of that as he clearly cherishes the Nad rivalry as does Rafa with Novak. I just hope they don't hold hands when one of them retires!!!

I have said it before and I will say it again, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are closer than we all think. They share a very special bond of mutual respect and admiration, and know EXACTLY what the other has done to get to where they are now, and hence are protective of each other in that sense.

 

[Roubaixcomp]

Yeah, I mean, I think Nadal would have given Djokovic a decent fight, I was saying that during the event, but throughout it all, I never said anything other than Djokovic is still the fav to win it.

Nadal was injured for USO, so don't think he was winning regardless. His form was very poor.

Yes I meant if fit for USO. As it turned out I'm surprised he even went as he was so far from being fit he is lucky he didn't cause more damage.
Novak is underrated on grass. People make out he has benefited from slower conditions but I think he would have won numerous Wimbledons in any era. He has an elite serve. The best return ever. The two most important shots on grass. I'll tell you he would have been a nightmare match up for Sampras on grass. He never lost to Agassi but Agassi could play him close on grass at times. 1993 an example. Agassi did not have the Djokovic serve. Its hard comparing eras but Djokovic is undoubtedly at worse the 3rd beat grass court player ever possibly 2nd.

 

[Roubaixcomp]

I have said it before and I will say it again, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are closer than we all think. They share a very special bond of mutual respect and admiration, and know EXACTLY what the other has done to get to where they are now, and hence are protective of each other in that sense.

Agree. And I think Roger and Rafa wanted Novak to beat Kyrgios at W. I am certain none of the big 3 want Kyrgios to ever have a Major. Novak looked so uncomfortable when asked about his bromance with Kyrgios. He was trying to be polite but I could see the grimace lol.

 

[Hitman]

Yes I meant if fit for USO. As it turned out I'm surprised he even went as he was so far from being fit he is lucky he didn't cause more damage.
Novak is underrated on grass. People make out he has benefited from slower conditions but I think he would have won numerous Wimbledons in any era. He has an elite serve. The best return ever. The two most important shots on grass. I'll tell you he would have been a nightmare match up for Sampras on grass. He never lost to Agassi but Agassi could play him close on grass at times. 1993 an example. Agassi did not have the Djokovic serve. Its hard comparing eras but Djokovic is undoubtedly at worse the 3rd beat grass court player ever possibly 2nd.

Agree. Djokovic has become a legend now on grass. 7 Wimbledon titles, he simply cannot be denied his place with the greats on grass now.

 

[Hitman]

Agree. And I think Roger and Rafa wanted Novak to beat Kyrgios at W. I am certain none of the big 3 want Kyrgios to ever have a Major. Novak looked so uncomfortable when asked about his bromance with Kyrgios. He was trying to be polite but I could see the grimace lol.

I wouldn't be surprised. LOL

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Sure, they could have played more from 2013 to 2016 and Nadal could have lost all of them, and I would still be questioning why that means Djokovic “owns the grass”. Those matches have as much bearing on the current Nadal as his prime from 2006-2011 does.

Since 2018, an incredibly close match in unfavourable conditions for Nadal, they haven’t played on grass once. Yet Djokovic fans on this site - and maybe this wasn’t your intention - have used that one match to present the matchup on that surface as fait accompli. The reality is that unlike HC there is no evidence to suggest Nadal is still in Djokovic’s pocket on grass. They barely ever play on that surface.

I really wished they played in 2019 and this year
Instead of that we got a Federer special and Kyrgios in the final lol
Hoping for another super tight 5 setter next year with a Nadal victory

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Agree. Djokovic has become a legend now on grass. 7 Wimbledon titles, he simply cannot be denied his place with the greats on grass now.

He is a legend no doubt but doubt he'd have the same no of titles if his prime coincided with prime Federer

 

[Hitman]

He is a legend no doubt but doubt he'd have the same no of titles if his prime coincided with prime Federer

That can be said about any legend, if he was put H2H with another at their peak.

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Don't think there is any dispute Djokovic is better on grass than Rafa. 7-2 in titles is no fluke. I've seen some suggest Rafa would have beat Novak this year at W. Don't see it myself personally the way Novak was returning. On grass there are two fundamental key shots. Serve and return. Both are areas Novak is way better than Rafa. And on grass physicality is not such and advantage. Seen some suggest a fit Nadal would have won Uso. Again Don't see it as I feel Alcaraz would have taken him. Alcaraz was destined to win US Open this year after that classic v Tsitsipas last year.

I find it hard to fathom that Nadal has a better shot against Djokovic on grass where the serve return complex is even more skewed against him than on hard

Am I missing something?

 

[Hitman]

I find it hard to fathom that Nadal has a better shot against Djokovic on grass where the serve return complex is even more skewed against him than on hard

Am I missing something?

Djokovic moves better on HC, and prefers the truer bounce more.

 

[Kralingen]

I find it hard to fathom that Nadal has a better shot against Djokovic on grass where the serve return complex is even more skewed against him than on hard

Am I missing something?

Djokovic moves better on HC, and prefers the truer bounce more.

Second week Wimby is higher bouncing and more conducive to Rafa’s gifts (takes more topspin and also slice) — USO for example was clearly lower bouncing this year than the dried grass at Wimby.

Same reason Raf was so good on grass 06-08 but lost to Youzhny, Gonzy, Ferrer etc on hard court.

 

[The Fedfather]

It's 2022 and some people are only now finding out that stats can be deceiving without context.

 

[Nadal_Django]

How many times did they meet after 2013 when Nadal is not even a quarter of a player that he used to be..

This works both ways

Since 2013 Nadal won like 10 slams or something. Djokovic before 2011 only one. Come on dude.

 

[mike danny]

Well, Wimbledon 2007, really isn't much of a win for Nadal. Djokovic came in injured, was on pain killers and was actually leading the match, before the pain started to overtake him, they then split the first two sets. Now if you want to count that as a great win for Nadal, sure, but to me, Nadal won because the match was stopped, he certainly didn't have an assured win on his hands when they started playing.

Djokovic is one who has won both their completed matches at Wimbledon when both were fully fit, both outdoors and indoors. He was waiting for Nadal for years to come back to him after W 2011. Nadal not making it to him is on Nadal, had he made it to him, he would have been torched during those years.

I agree with the gist of your post, but Nadal's early round struggles at Wimb are well documented. He struggles with big servers/big hitters in the early rounds when the grass is fresher. Grass becomes a bit more worn out by the time he reaches the later stages so the conditions change as well. It would simply be a different match at that moment when Nadal is more dialed in.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I wish they meet more often too and let the better man that day win which I'd hope is Nadal xD

Fair enough. Good comment except I hope it’s Djokovic xD

 

[The Blond Blur]

Definitely wish they played on HC in 2017 and the first half of 2018

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Definitely wish they played on HC in 2017 and the first half of 2018

There was no way in 2018 but Djokovic messed up 4 times in 2017

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Djokovic moves better on HC, and prefers the truer bounce more.

Good points and I agree , have never seen Djokovic move as well as he does in RLA on centre court

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

Since 2013 Nadal won like 10 slams or something. Djokovic before 2011 only one. Come on dude.

Put Djokovic of 2007-10 now and he'd be having field day with this field

Put post 2013 Nadal before 2011 and he'd be lucky to win slams off clay

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

It's 2022 and some people are only now finding out that stats can be deceiving without context.

I get your point but do you find the OP like that ?

 

[Texas Tennis Fan]

The sole reason why Nadal is even in the same territory with Djokovic H2H wise is that from theirs almost 60 matches between them, half of them on clay. And all this in the ATP calendar where 3/4 of the tournaments in the season are off clay and 1/4 Tour tournaments are on clay.

Nadal have played 4 off clay matches during his down period. Yeah it must be that. Wow such a rotten luck. OMG Nadal is so unlucky really!

I have done an analysis elsewhere that shows the record would be Djokovic ahead in the H2H by 10 wins if they had played matches in a balanced fashion instead of 48% of their matches on clay. It would be even worse if you looked at the last few years where Nadal has not won a single set off of Djokovic off of clay other than Wimbledon 2018 when Djokovic was returning from injury and surgery.

Everything is speculative about matches that don't happen, but Nadal fans saying that Nadal is unlucky for not having played Djokovic off of clay more are not looking at the history which is the best predictor of the unplayed matches. I am not saying that Nadal might not have won a match and thus broken the streak of no wins since 2013 off clay, but it would have likely been 4-1 or 8-1 based on the history since 2013.

Nadal himself shows that he will avoid Djokovic unless he is in perfect form. At Wimbledon he didn't say he couldn't play. He said he wouldn't play because he could not beat both Kyrios and Djokovic. That sort of gamesmanship is a bad look for Nadal.

 

[Texas Tennis Fan]

Such a good topic you recycled it in great detail.
2013 must be a very important date in history. Like 2011.
I’m off to do some cherry picking. Au revoir.

It is not cherry-picking to say for 9 years and 19 sets that Nadal has not won one set. Cherry-picking is saying things like 2>1 and Nadal leads the slam record H2H with most of their slams matches being on Nadal's favorite surface and court.

 

[Hitman]

I agree with the gist of your post, but Nadal's early round struggles at Wimb are well documented. He struggles with big servers/big hitters in the early rounds when the grass is fresher. Grass becomes a bit more worn out by the time he reaches the later stages so the conditions change as well. It would simply be a different match at that moment when Nadal is more dialed in.

Yet he was struggling with a 2007 Djokovic in the semis of Wimbledon who was coming into the match injured. Told me everything I needed to know.

 

[NoleFam]

They have played 8 times in Slams off clay in their careers (AO, W, and USO)
They have played 10 times on clay (RG)

They have played 12 times in hardcourt Masters (9 tournaments)
They have played 17 times in clay Masters (4 tournaments)

So essentially, by just restricting it to these tournaments and comparing, they played 27 times in 5 big clay tournaments. On the flip side, they played 20 times in 12 off clay big tournaments.

This pretty much sums it up especially since they've played more times in RG and Rome than any other tournament. Not sure how you drew the conclusion that this is due to Djokovic just as much as it is to Nadal. One dominated off clay surfaces and one didn't.

 

[The Fedfather]

I get your point but do you find the OP like that ?

I was referring more generally to the discussion around Nadal's poor record against Djokovic on HC and then, in turn, people talking about the context of the Djokovic-Nadal record at the USO. Aa a Federer fan, it's gratifying to see the anti-Federer H2H knights who rallied behind the H2H being the king of stats scramble now.

 

[Biotic]

Adjusted for hyena desert sanctuary skew, H2H should be roughly 30-20 in Djoko's favor.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Embarrassing for so called GOAT not able to win just set off against his rival on particular surface. That's why I don't rate USO 13 win that high. OTOH Djok defeated Nadal at French twice and also he always keep pushing him on clay whenever they meet. That proves his wins weren't fluke..