kiki
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Roche reached finals in the Open era, Stolle peak was in the 60s against amateur fields. Not the same thing, sorry.
They are about the same level.Roche had a more complete game but was weak menthally.
Roche reached finals in the Open era, Stolle peak was in the 60s against amateur fields. Not the same thing, sorry.
22 I think.The same age Rosewall won his SECON slam title and the same age Hoad almost wins the whole slam thing.
anyone can tell me which tournaments in 1961 had rosewall and gonzales in the draw?
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the final showdown should have been the sydney tournament.shame gonzales retired just before it.
veco, I agree. Thus Rosewall won the best claycourt, wood and grasscourt tournament of that year. Not too bad...
yeah,61 is a tough call..i personally give it to gonzales cause i can't help the feeling that he would own rosewall all over again if they went touring head to head that year..
to me 60 and 61 are practically the same.it's interesting cause rosewall did the ''major'' thing both years and somehow he is no1 in 61 cause he dodged the tour in the first half of the year and then basically repeated the 1960 sucess (when most saw him as no2).
1960 - gonzales crushes rosewall hth,then retires and rosewall wins it all
and people still mostly agreed gonzales was no1
1961 - gonzales wins the tour without rosewall,then rosewall wins majors and gonzales wins the rest.and rosewall is no1..hmm that's thin.
in conclusion as you said.joint no1 seems like a fair deal.
Who were the participants in the pro tours of 1960 and 1961?
1971 top seven vs 1959
Rosewall remains
Laver replaces Hoad
Nastase Segura
Smith Kramer
Ashe Pancho
Kodes Trabert
Newk Sedgie
Which one is better?
Some posters here mention Gonzales-Segura-Sedgman-Ayre Australian tour that went on in 1955 but i didn't find any info on it on wiki site. Which source claims this tour occured and are there any details available regarding that tour?
1971 top seven vs 1959
Rosewall remains
Laver replaces Hoad
Nastase Segura
Smith Kramer
Ashe Pancho
Kodes Trabert
Newk Sedgie
Which one is better?
kiki, Clearly 1959. But Kramer did not play singles in 1959. He did play till 1958.
1971 top seven vs 1959
Rosewall remains
Laver replaces Hoad
Nastase Segura
Smith Kramer
Ashe Pancho
Kodes Trabert
Newk Sedgie
Which one is better?
Wasn't Kramer having small tours against Hoad and Rosewall in 1957? Hoad had just turned professional after winning his second Wimbledon title in a row.
1959 Rosewall > 1971 Rosewall
Laver > Hoad
Nastase = Segura
Kramer > Smith
Pancho > Ashe
Trabert = Kodes
Newcombe > Sedgman
I say 1959 slightly.
It would be extremely close, but yes, 59 looks a bit better.Nastase was better than Segura and Trabert a bit better than Kodes.Hoad could beat Laver any day and Sedgnam could beat anybody, including Newcombe any time...
Now, if he add Olmedo, Cooper and Anderson we will have the remaining top ten members of 1959 and if we had Gimeno,Okker and Roche, the remaining top tenners of 1971.IMO, Olmedo beats Gimeno, Okker and Anderson are more or less equivalent and who knwos between Cooper and Roche?
kiki: I know that Roche was stronger than Cooper: Cooper No.5 at his best, Roche No.2 (only behind Laver). Olmedo never beats Gimeno: Olmedo's best ranking was No.6 and that only once (in my rankings) while Gimeno was No.3 for several years (behind only Laver and Rosewall). Don't distort history!
Maybe you are fine but Olmedo,Anderson and Cooper did much better at am slams than slamless Okker and one timers Gimeno and Roche
Learn history!!!