Thought about posting this on one of the Segura threads or the one Moose started on
Vines' book, but since it's got mostly to do with Little Pancho's FH I thought I'd revive this (once) popular thread with a couple snippets from the book.
Moose has posted most of this before but from pages 67-68:
Segura could do much more with a forehand than any other player. His two-handed technique (developed in Ecuador as a child because he had rickets) allowed Segura to pull the ball across a net opponent at the last second, drive it down the line, hit a surprise lob, or knock it through him. He had tremendous power, remarkable deception, and he never seemed to miss. Segura also improved his backhand as a pro; it became as consistent as his forehand, though without the same pulverizing effect.
And also later from p. 68:
Other superlative forehands have been mentioned: Tilden's perfectly executed stroke, Perry's flashing Continental, Budge's relentless bludgeon, and Kramer's slasher. But Tilden had less power and deception, Perry had deception but the force couldn't compare, Budge lacked the flexibility and deception. Kramer's forehand had disguise but not the force. (My own forehand was possibly even harder than Segura's, but the deception and total consistency weren't there.)
Notice how deception/disguise is one of Vines' main criteria along with power and consistency/flexibility. Normally when we talk about a player's disguise we're referring to his serve, not his FH (or BH for that matter), so I was wondering why that might be the case. Anyone wanna take a crack at it? Is it just us or has disguise in fact taken a backseat in today's tennis? And if the latter what could be behind it? Perhaps we don't think about disguise as much because of the prevalence of the 2HBH, the (semi-)Western FH and the open stance? Would love to hear from those with the technical/historical know-how.
A brief slowmo of the Segura FH here:
It's a great shame we don't have very good footage of Segura's legendary shot or that he didn't get to play in this era. My recent reading of the old-timers' books has really enhanced my appreciation of them and though I've long maintained that the likes of Budge, Perry and Kramer deserve GOAT consideration I now think Don & Jack are clearly up there with the usual suspects (Tilden, Gonzales, Rosewall, Laver, Borg, Sampras, Federer & Nadal).
I was hoping to add the above quotes to Wiki's Segura article but frankly its citation is a mess and it's gonna take some time to sort it all out. And I've got more thoughts to share about the Vines book. Might do that on Moose's thread (or maybe start a new one) after I've gathered them in a presentable format.