Finally I have a serve that I am not ashamed to show in a video. I think I need to be more
balanced and get rid of the lean to the left after but I am open to any advice or tips.
I also like a estimate of how fast these might be.
Yeah I wonder why I have motion blur in my shots. I never really set up my camera for action shots. I will give it a try and maybe try manual mode.Repeat the video with your racket and arm in the frame. You also need to video in direct sunlight so that your camera's automatic exposure control will select a faster shutter and reduce the motion blur.
Yeah I wonder why I have motion blur in my shots. I never really set up my camera for action shots. I will give it a try and maybe try manual mode.
I think more legs is the most obvious element of the serve you could improve. You're using a pinpoint stance which is usually to maximize leg drive. Most of your momentum is pretty linear. Focus on just a little more leg bend and then exploding up into the serve.
As far as a speed guess, it's tough from just a video. I would say your serves are probably around 75-85 mph, though.
Nice to see someone practicing serve in winter. Time to invest in a $30 hopper.
Seems like a nice amount of spin, and your body is stepping forward into the court.
The biggest thing I see is you could have a lot more leg bend.
Trophy arm could be more vertical. I struggle with this, as well.
Nice smooth spin serve. How about a flat serve?
I think more legs is the most obvious element of the serve you could improve. You're using a pinpoint stance which is usually to maximize leg drive. Most of your momentum is pretty linear. Focus on just a little more leg bend and then exploding up into the serve.
As far as a speed guess, it's tough from just a video. I would say your serves are probably around 75-85 mph, though.
Why is there a horror movie soundtrack playing in the video?
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Unless I am sorely mistaken, correct pronation should take away the spin and allow hitting flat. I think there is confusion about pronation in serving, to say the least.Most of those were my flat serve lol. The pronation seems to add that spin.
He's pronating:Unless I am sorely mistaken, correct pronation should take away the spin and allow hitting flat. I think there is confusion about pronation in serving, to say the least.
Most of OP serves appear to be moving from right to left before and after the bounce which indicates the ball has some sideways spin. Unless physics is different where I live than other places a completely flat serve, which in effect is like a perfect knuckleball, should bounce straight ahead. Yes in the middle of his swing I grant there is some pronation/forearm roll. When I swing with more prolonged pronation/forearm roll I hit a ball with virtually no spin.
I agree, keeping your tossing arm extended and head up is critical.Good work, try keeping your tossing arm up longer. When I practice I exaggerate keeping my tossing arm and head up, well after contact.
He could do better with pronation as you say. And I think it would help.Most of OP serves appear to be moving from right to left before and after the bounce which indicates the ball has some sideways spin. Unless physics is different where I live than other places a completely flat serve, which in effect is like a perfect knuckleball, should bounce straight ahead. Yes in the middle of his swing I grant there is some pronation/forearm roll. When I swing with more prolonged pronation/forearm roll I hit a ball with virtually no spin.
I think I saw more of the women at the Aus. Open going for the big flat serve on first serve more than ever before. Woz. and Halep I think. Lower percentage shot for sure but gets some easy points when it is working. Then of course spin in the second. I just discovered the pronated flat serve myself recently. Matter or fact I just really understood pronation fairly recently.I agree, keeping your tossing arm extended and head up is critical.
I like Pat Doughtry's suggestion of imagining you are grabbing on to the top of the fence and pulling yourself up with your tossing arm. This exaggerates it, which is what you want in training.
He could do better with pronation as you say. And I think it would help.
He's pronating:
http://www.hi-techtennis.com/serve/pronation_example.php
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One of these days you might learn how to do the pronation/forearm roll/ISR combination of things to mix in a very effective flat serve to go along with your current spin serve and you'll know what some of us are talking about and why it's such a nice addition to your game.Heck,
Ignore everything they say about pronation, ISR, and that other gibberish.
Talk to any Div1 or ATP player, and he will have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't think about this stuff. The serve is an explosion, and you're just along for the ride.
Focus on things you can control like the toss, grip, leg bend, and racket head speed.
Try to let you whole body relax. Really keep your shoulders loose, arms loose and grips on ball and racket loose. I watched your serve at 25% speed and your racket drop looks a little tight. Let the push up and in with legs and shoulder turn roll or whip the racket head thru the drop and up and into contact. You look like you are tensing the shoulders a bit and it is shortening your drop and possibly showing the racket down. Work on relaxing the shoulders instead of contracting them. Think of a relaxed smoothly accelerating shoulder motion.
Don't worry about the spin you have on your 1st serve. You actually want spin on your 1st serve. Watch Federer serve and almost every 1st serve he hits moves R to L in flight and after the bounce. Sampras average around 2,500 rpm on his 1st servers and much much higher rpm on his 2nd serves.
Heck,
Ignore everything they say about pronation, ISR, and that other gibberish.
Talk to any Div1 or ATP player, and he will have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't think about this stuff. The serve is an explosion, and you're just along for the ride.
Focus on things you can control like the toss, grip, leg bend, and racket head speed.
I was playing a casual mixed match last night and tried serving loose on the arm and felt I got more "whip". When the score got tight I tried to add more leg drive and got more pace and spin on the ball.
The relax body and shoulders is going to be a more long term fix. I do feel that I am crunching after contact or even at contact and that is why I am feeling and looking off balance at the end of the follow trough.
I will post up results when I get a major improvement.
yeah that music.... lolWhy is there a horror movie soundtrack playing in the video?
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Practice some 1st serves where you hit with like 90% plow thru and 10% topspin.I am going to upload a new video tonight. I check out a video from tennis evolution about balance on the serve and worked on that. I also took a stab at taking a few with a
platform stance. I am open to changing from pin point if it helps with my balance. I tried to relax more and used a faster stutter speed on the camera and got better quality.
^ This person has a garbage serve and has no idea what he's talking about. See any of his vids for evidence.Heck,
Ignore everything they say about pronation, ISR, and that other gibberish.
Talk to any Div1 or ATP player, and he will have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't think about this stuff. The serve is an explosion, and you're just along for the ride.
Focus on things you can control like the toss, grip, leg bend, and racket head speed.
Well here it goes. No music lol.
At 11 seconds your racket looks edge on to the ball. But around this position on the high level serve there is a position often called the "Big L" (a checkpoint, it is like an upside down L).
http://www.hi-techtennis.com/serve/nalbandian_l.php
http://www.hi-techtennis.com/serve/flash/nalbandian_l.mp4
The arm is near straight while your elbow is at about 45 d. You seem to be extending your elbow at this later stage of the motion toward the ball for racket head speed. Yours is a different technique.
You should study what you are doing more using comparisons to high levels servers. You can see the differences.
You need to also study and understand what Todd Ellenbecker has to say in the video Rotator Cuff Injury about the upper arm to shoulder angle. You can see the proper shoulder angle range throughout the serve in high speed videos of nearly all ATP servers.
If your elbow is at 45 d. near the Big L position (instead of near straight) it is likely that you are not paying attention to observe the angles and comparisons to high level serves.
There is a biomechanical motion and some checkpoints afterward to indicate if the motion is likely to be effective. The checkpoints are feedback for the motion. But somehow getting to checkpoints without the motions is not the same.
It feels to me like you are actively using your body/arm to produce a follow through. The follow through should be a consequence of the effort and energy put into making contact with the ball. The arm should come down because it has no where else to go, not because you are pulling it through the ball and down. It's hard to explain, but this is one reason I like to ignore most of the serve and concentrate just on the toss and pronation into contact when starting someone out or rebuilding a serve. All those other pieces can really get in the way of making proper contact at a proper height overhead with the head and shoulders in the proper upward focused posture. The nalbandian clip Chas posted illustrates how awkward it is. You won't develop a posture like that without having a proper toss first, and then the proper mechanism of contact overhead. It's a reaching up of the hitting arm high overhead and then a rotation of the arm/racquet lever roughly 180 degrees through the ball. It's not really a swinging of the arm through the ball. Again, hard to grasp with words. Most of the time I end up needing to position people so they can feel it. Even watching me demonstrate it's pretty rare that someone can see it and then do it with no help.