Goffin racket

travlerajm · Feb 17, 2018

Whenever someone points out that a pro could be using stock swingweight, I like to point them to the data, which suggests that almost all of the highly ranked pros - at least at this snapshot in 2005 - we’re using high swingweight. The apparent optimum MR^2 value of 385 kg-cm^2 correlates with about 365 SW.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ce-new-racquet-spec-data-for-atp-pros.387620/

Jouke · Feb 19, 2018

Thiem (340sw) seems to be an exception to the above, and so could other players.

sma1001 · May 22, 2018

So is Goffin using the H22?

moon shot · May 22, 2018

sma1001 said:
So is Goffin using the H22?

Looks to be a actual blade last I checked. K if I remember correctly.

ron schaap · May 26, 2018

moon shot said:
Looks to be a actual blade last I checked. K if I remember correctly.

Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.

racquetreligion · May 26, 2018

ron schaap said:
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.

LOL its not even close to 67 flex rating of the retail stick, its more like 56-60
Latest Atp pic shows the spaghetti flex his pro stock stick produce
I had 6 of the 2004 APD frames over the years, not one flexed like this
or where able to hit so much away from the sweet spot like this.
Yet my chinese copies of APD actually did make up for lack of accuracy.

RoarTT · May 26, 2018

racquetreligion said:
LOL its not even close to 67 flex rating of the retail stick, its more like 56-60
Latest Atp pic shows the spaghetti flex his pro stock stick produce
I had 6 of the 2004 APD frames over the years, not one flexed like this
or where able to hit so much away from the sweet spot like this.
Yet my chinese copies of APD actually did make up for lack of accuracy.

It’s 65 flex

reported here:

https://www.prostocktennis.com/products/Rafael-Nadal-personal-babolat-pure-aero

And here:

https://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/200703nadal_babolat

racquetreligion · May 26, 2018

RoarTT said:
It’s 65 flex reported here:

https://www.prostocktennis.com/products/Rafael-Nadal-personal-babolat-pure-aero

And here:

https://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/200703nadal_babolat

retail 2004 is 67

Nostradamus · May 26, 2018

ron schaap said:
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.

How do you know his Blade isn't custom from Wilson with higher Swing weight. Tour guys usually get heavier spec Blades from Wilson, not off of the shelf that Amateurs are using. problem with these Low SW off the shelf frames is that it gets pushed around way too much against 3000-4000 RPM topspin shots and control is compromised way too much

racquetreligion · May 26, 2018

for who ever wants something as close as possible to a pro stock PD
just add weight to the handle, it should be a good compromise for
those looking for a softer PD with the rating of the 2004 APD.
You will need though at least 50 gsm on the handle and 20gsm
on the head to get close to 340gsm.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Drive_Lite/descpageRCBAB-BDLWB.html

moon shot · May 26, 2018

ron schaap said:
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.

I for one don’t have the speed or agility to play their either of their styles of play. Nadal’s racquet is more like 335g string and leaded, Goffin might be modified or from wilson at a higher stock weight.

Nothing against lighter racquets other than they are consistently replacing heavier ones at retail. Same gripe against open patterns.

Frans Bleker · May 26, 2018

ron schaap said:
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.

For the same reason the other 9 top 10 players don't just use an "of the shelf" racket...

ron schaap · May 29, 2018

Frans Bleker said:
For the same reason the other 9 top 10 players don't just use an "of the shelf" racket...

Nadal and Goffin are 2 outof 10 player's. Besidesthere others like Manarinno who asked the public to donate him some racquets. Remember that Connors did the same in his haydays, asking his fans to donate the Wilson t2000!

ron schaap · May 29, 2018

racquetreligion said:
LOL its not even close to 67 flex rating of the retail stick, its more like 56-60
Latest Atp pic shows the spaghetti flex his pro stock stick produce
I had 6 of the 2004 APD frames over the years, not one flexed like this
or where able to hit so much away from the sweet spot like this.
Yet my chinese copies of APD actually did make up for lack of accuracy.

it could be me but I don't see any racquet deformation. Closest to the troat give you more energy return. See the results of TWU.

travlerajm · May 29, 2018

ron schaap said:
it could be me but I don't see any racquet deformation. Closest to the troat give you more energy return. See the results of TWU.

It does appear to be deforming to me. Mass of tip is still going forward due to inertia as ball is pushing on throat.

This amount of deformation can probably occur even if RA reading is 67.

ron schaap · May 29, 2018

travlerajm said:
It does appear to be deforming to me. Mass of tip is still going forward due to inertia as ball is pushing on throat.

This amount of deformation can probably occur even if RA reading is 67.

Or rolling shutter effect. Seeing isn't always what you get.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

racquetreligion · May 29, 2018

If anyone has the chance, there have been some slo mos at the BNP Paribas Open
they displayed the same deformation on the HD slo mos of Nadal's Forehand stroke
its is quite remarkable the amount of dwell time he gets with his racquet, quite mesmerizing.

Frans Bleker · May 29, 2018

ron schaap said:
Nadal and Goffin are 2 outof 10 player's. Besidesthere others like Manarinno who asked the public to donate him some racquets. Remember that Connors did the same in his haydays, asking his fans to donate the Wilson t2000!

Why Nadal? His racket is what? 319? 19 grams added. Can you even comprehend how much that is? His SW is def. over 350 and you will not find that on stock rackets. Mannarino might also leads his racket up. Almost all pro players change the spec of their stock rackets, and there is a very good reason for that.

cesar faria · Jun 9, 2018

Frans Bleker said:
Why Nadal? His racket is what? 319? 19 grams added. Can you even comprehend how much that is? His SW is def. over 350 and you will not find that on stock rackets. Mannarino might also leads his racket up. Almost all pro players change the spec of their stock rackets, and there is a very good reason for that.

it´s definitely almost impossible to play top level with a stock form racquet, unless we are speaking of wawrinkas frame or RF97, aswing weight lower then 340 just can´t stand against heavy shots, we must consider that some times they can delivery speed to the ball and act in balistic concepts, but a lot of shots they are forced to just block the energy back, with a light swing weight the effort on the body would be tremendous, not healthy at all, so the answer is no, almost none of the players use their sticks in stock form, the same goes for women, look Halep´s frame, its plumbed at 9 and 3 o´clock, inside the handle we just can´t know for sure, but the way she´s swinging for spin I´m almost sure she also have weight on the handle.

Polarized frames increase frame(throat\neck) deflection, that´s what almost all of the racquet tunners recommend to their customers, this way we get more pocketing due to the increased dwel time.

ron schaap · Jun 10, 2018

Frans Bleker said:
Why Nadal? His racket is what? 319? 19 grams added. Can you even comprehend how much that is? His SW is def. over 350 and you will not find that on stock rackets. Mannarino might also leads his racket up. Almost all pro players change the spec of their stock rackets, and there is a very good reason for that.

A stock frame with lead is still a stock frame. Anyone can add lead. I have done it too. The extra weight of nadals apd is including his overgrip. So his racket isn't very headheavy. Besides this fact he used an even lighter frame to win Rolandgarros and more tournaments in the beginning of his career.

Frans Bleker · Jun 10, 2018

ron schaap said:
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.

ron schaap said:
A stock frame with lead is still a stock frame. Anyone can add lead. I have done it too. The extra weight of nadals apd is including his overgrip. So his racket isn't very headheavy. Besides this fact he used an even lighter frame to win Rolandgarros and more tournaments in the beginning of his career.

You are kind off going against your own logic, but ok.

You ask yourself why people are obsessed with ''Pro Stock'' rackets, you argue it's basically BS because Goffin can be a top 10 player with a "normal built of the shelf" racket and that Nadal is also just using an old APD with 19 grams of extra weight.

So to clear up your confusion; when pro players started playing with a certain racket, racket companies will still have those rackets or molds in their archive and keep supplying them to those pro players over the years and those rackets are called: "Pro Stock rackets". So when Gilles Simon started his career with a Head Pro Tour 630, Head will keep giving him that racket or the mold of that racket adjusted to his preferred specs, and that racket is then called a PT57. So at that point a stock frame with lead is called a pro stock. The same yields for Nadal and Goffin. The difference with Goffin is however that he just doesn't use extra weight on his racket.

And about Nadals racket; ±355 swingweight on a 314 or 319 frame is extremely head heavy when compared to a any stock racket.

tennisaskashad · Jun 10, 2018

If he's using a stock kblade, i dont doubt it. The old blades were amazing rackets, I especially love the k blade and the 2013 blade, and the 2015 16x19 blade is pretty damn good with lux alu power in it. The 2015 wilson blade 18x20 and the new blades are trash and I don't think a pro player could ever play with them.

ron schaap · Jun 11, 2018

Frans Bleker said:
You are kind off going against your own logic, but ok.

You ask yourself why people are obsessed with ''Pro Stock'' rackets, you argue it's basically BS because Goffin can be a top 10 player with a "normal built of the shelf" racket and that Nadal is also just using an old APD with 19 grams of extra weight.

So to clear up your confusion; when pro players started playing with a certain racket, racket companies will still have those rackets or molds in their archive and keep supplying them to those pro players over the years and those rackets are called: "Pro Stock rackets". So when Gilles Simon started his career with a Head Pro Tour 630, Head will keep giving him that racket or the mold of that racket adjusted to his preferred specs, and that racket is then called a PT57. So at that point a stock frame with lead is called a pro stock. The same yields for Nadal and Goffin. The difference with Goffin is however that he just doesn't use extra weight on his racket.

And about Nadals racket; ±355 swingweight on a 314 or 319 frame is extremely head heavy when compared to a any stock racket.

So it's a matter of definition. To me pro stock, are special frames made available only to pros. Pro stocks are not old consumer frames. I recently bought an old original apd.. I dont consider this as a pro stock, even if i added 19 gr. The same with Goffins racket. I can actually buy those secondshandfor a reasonable price. However pt57, h22 and the like were to my knowledge never avaible to the public.

moon shot · Jun 11, 2018

ron schaap said:
So it's a matter of definition. To me pro stock, are special frames made available only to pros. Pro stocks are not old consumer frames. I recently bought an old original apd.. I dont consider this as a pro stock, even if i added 19 gr. The same with Goffins racket. I can actually buy those secondshandfor a reasonable price. However pt57, h22 and the like were to my knowledge never avaible to the public.

I think the difference is the paint. Once production for the public has stopped and then wilson makes more with paint of a newer model that has different specs - what do you consider that?

I don’t think of prostock as a lofty unicorn, it is just a stock or supply of goods that are only available to professionals.

Borna Coric apparently plays with a prostock base grip, wilson sells nothing like it currently.

ron schaap · Jun 11, 2018

moon shot said:
I think the difference is the paint. Once production for the public has stopped and then wilson makes more with paint of a newer model that has different specs - what do you consider that?

I don’t think of prostock as a lofty unicorn, it is just a stock or supply of goods that are only available to professionals.

Borna Coric apparently plays with a prostock base grip, wilson sells nothing live it currently.

well pros endorsing frame x, but playing frame y, i call cheaters. I oppose the logic that normal frames we could buy in the shop 9 years ago, suddenly becomes pro stock because some pro rather plays with it instead with the newer updated model.

Frans Bleker · Jun 11, 2018

ron schaap said:
well pros endorsing frame x, but playing frame y, i call cheaters. I oppose the logic that normal frames we could buy in the shop 9 years ago, suddenly becomes pro stock because some pro rather plays with it instead with the newer updated model.

And I oppose the logic that most chairs have 4 legs..

ron schaap · Jun 11, 2018

Frans Bleker said:
And I oppose the logic that most chairs have 4 legs..

probably because you are one of those sellers which sells normal outdated frames as

ron schaap · Jun 11, 2018

j

ron schaap said:
probably because you are one of those sellers which sells normal outdated frames as

as expensive and exclusive pro stock?

racquetreligion · Jul 8, 2018

racquetreligion said:
for who ever wants something as close as possible to a pro stock PD
just add weight to the handle, it should be a good compromise for
those looking for a softer PD with the rating of the 2004 APD.
You will need though at least 50 gsm on the handle and 20gsm
on the head to get close to 340gsm.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Drive_Lite/descpageRCBAB-BDLWB.html

I wonder why this Babo is NLA umm to close to pure drive pro strock spec?

Red Hood · Dec 7, 2018

I don’t know why it’s hard for people to wrap their head about pros using a low or stock retail specs because I have Taylor fritz frames. It is a pretty light racquet compare to most pros used back in the days. Silicone injected in the handle (no lead in hoop). It’s pretty much an IG radical mp but slightly more headlight.

Also, why would you need a pro stock version babolat? Babolat are light weight and high sw as is. You would need to get your head check for spending $300-400 on a pro stock babolat.

Based on my experience, pro stocks aren’t magical wand. Use that $300-400 on lessons and private coaching. Technique is key.

Jouke · Dec 7, 2018

@Red Hood can you post the specs of Fritz his frame?

Red Hood · Dec 7, 2018

TennisHound · Dec 7, 2018

Pro Stocks are usually head heavier and are hard to play with (for me). They’re made for younger stronger players who can murder the ball. It is surprising that Goffin and Fritz get so much pace with their skinny build and lighter frames.

Jouke · Dec 8, 2018

Red Hood said:
I left these frames back at home in California, so I don't have them within my reach.
From what I remember, it was:

Head IG Radical MP/TGT 260.3
Unstrung specs: 300 grams (Silicone in handle), 32 cm, no lead tape on the hoop.
Standard Length: 27"
Grip size: 4 1/2

Like I said it is pretty light. Swing weight felt like 320-325? I don't have a RDC machine.

I am curious about David Goffin's specs because it does seem like it's just a regular KB98. I also have a pro stock blade (same specs as a stock KB98) and it can hit a heavy ball as well. I would use the racquet more if the grip size is slightly bigger.

Thx! 300g unstrung, with leather grip? Overgrip? That would really make for a superlight stick. How does it play? Didnt realise he played such a big grip!

Red Hood · Dec 11, 2018

synthetic grip. no overgrip

racquetreligion · Jan 7, 2019

yes try and get the retail made in Austria Head all the Pros use in the top 100

Nostradamus · Jan 7, 2019

is rafa now playing with pure aero 2019 ?

Semper · Jan 8, 2019

Nostradamus said:
is rafa now playing with pure aero 2019 ?

Yes! Go buy it!

JG0185 · Jan 8, 2019

Nostradamus said:
is rafa now playing with pure aero 2019 ?

No Nostradamus,
He is only endorsing the pure aero 2019 paint. Under the paint he still uses the 2004 Babolat AeroPro Drive Original.

Tennis_Hands · Jan 8, 2019

JG0185 · Jan 8, 2019

Tennis_Hands said:
Nostradamus is like that guy that knows only one (or very few) joke/s, and tells that to everyone he meets, regardless if he told it to them already 30 times. It is not even funny to think about him as deranged. His is borderline mental illness.

Lol. Considering he is a 'talk tennis guru' that scary.

ron schaap · Jan 9, 2019

Red Hood said:
I don’t know why it’s hard for people to wrap their head about pros using a low or stock retail specs because I have Taylor fritz frames. It is a pretty light racquet compare to most pros used back in the days. Silicone injected in the handle (no lead in hoop). It’s pretty much an IG radical mp but slightly more headlight.

Also, why would you need a pro stock version babolat? Babolat are light weight and high sw as is. You would need to get your head check for spending $300-400 on a pro stock babolat.

Based on my experience, pro stocks aren’t magical wand. Use that $300-400 on lessons and private coaching. Technique is key.

Finally someone who dont trust the hype and the fake news on this forum

Also this thread is about Goffins racquet, which some find it hard to believe its basically an old Wilson blade in stock form. Lol

dr325i · Jan 9, 2019

Tennis_Hands said:
Nostradamus is like that guy that knows only one (or very few) joke/s, and tells that to everyone he meets, regardless if he told it to them already 30 times. It is not even funny to think about him as deranged. His is borderline mental illness.

But he went to StaMford

Red Hood · Feb 6, 2019

Does anyone know what grip size Goffin uses?

Red Hood · Feb 7, 2019

It seems like Goffin has recently switched string pattern? 16x19

Moonballballer · Feb 7, 2019

Red Hood said:
It seems like Goffin has recently switched string pattern? 16x19

Yes for his elbow problems. He said that in an interview during his training camp at Tenerife with team Thiem. He also talked about trying different weight setups.

Red Hood · Feb 7, 2019

Moonballballer said:
Yes for his elbow problems. He said that in an interview during his training camp at Tenerife with team Thiem. He also talked about trying different weight setups.

I see. Well I hope all goes well for him because he seem to have a bad start for 2019.

McEncock · Feb 8, 2019

I saw him throwing his 16x19 on the ground, playing against Krajinovic. He was making lots of UE.

RoarTT · Feb 8, 2019

McEncock said:
I saw him throwing his 16x19 on the ground, playing against Krajinovic. He was making lots of UE.

Yeah, something tells be he will be back With 18x20 shortly.

Red Hood · Feb 8, 2019

Same. I think the 16x19 made his shots erratic and inconsistent.

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