Good tip.
I'd add that the arm straightening is set up by having a proper toss and contact location. I harp on that all the time. The toss is boss. Accept and embrace it or you are surely destined to forever have a serve that can't live up to its potential. In fact, contact location in relation to your body is one of the most important things to learn if you want to play good tennis. Many people struggle with that in perpetuity.
Consistent toss cannot be taught to adults beyond a certain level of accuracy. It requires a kind of coordination which cannot be improved beyond a certain level. So adult student must be taught to be realistic and make micro adjustments to compensate for the toss.
The best advise I ever had for serving is, look at the ball at the impact (more even, breath out at the ball as you hit it) and (even more important) imagine exactly where you want the ball to land (and if you can, the path the ball should take so it hits the spot you want).
I don't believe that at all. I would believe that most adults aren't humble enough to accept that they actually need to practice tossing and therefore they just won't do it.
This along with the conscious movement of the right shoulder are keys
A lot has to do with balance, some older folks need to do yoga, tai chi or other so they stay "young"I don't believe that at all. I would believe that most adults aren't humble enough to accept that they actually need to practice tossing and therefore they just won't do it.
The main key is to strike the right balance between proper technique and micro adjustments. The balance is different at different skill levels.
Good tip.
I'd add that the arm straightening is set up by having a proper toss and contact location. I harp on that all the time. The toss is boss. Accept and embrace it or you are surely destined to forever have a serve that can't live up to its potential. In fact, contact location in relation to your body is one of the most important things to learn if you want to play good tennis. Many people struggle with that in perpetuity.
A lot has to do with balance, some older folks need to do yoga, tai chi or other so they stay "young"
True, the solution for all is not the same one thing. For many the toss is not really the issue but what is done to get the racquet up to the ball.I know a lot of old and young people, fat and fit, who have toss problems. Yoga may help in general, but still fall short. There is no substitute for the skill which has to be learned as a junior. I have seen former baseball players, all round athletes, fit guys who bike 50 miles and run marathons - and they can't get the toss right. That is why adult players come back from camp after camp without improving their serve.
True, the solution for all is not the same one thing. For many the toss is not really the issue but what is done to get the racquet up to the ball.
It has been said on here to practice a thousand tosses a week and stuff like that. Not practical. We need to rush from work or other family work to the courts and be ready to play after a few practice serves and maybe a few more ghost tosses. Our partners are not eager to wait any longer.
Yes, this is exactly why many rec players never progress. They simply won't be bothered to actually practice. I have kids dribble balls on their racquet to build muscles, coordination, get comfortable with grips etc. I tell them to start off by getting to 20 in a row. Most can do that in a week. Then I tell them if you can do 20 you can do 100. Many complain. Then I proceed to show them how long it takes to do 100 bounces. It can be done in about a minute by anyone who has practiced it a little bit. Then most of them after seeing what's possible have no problem getting to 100 after another week. Only the ones who don't actually practice fail at this.
1000 tosses a week is nothing. If you can't be bothered to spend 5-10 minutes a day practicing something you shouldn't expect to be good at it. There were times when I was practicing my serve regularly that I would do that many actual serves in 3-4 days. I spent more time refilling the basket than I did serving and I was usually only on the court for 60-90mins. That would be serves and ground strokes with the ball machine.
So if you want to get better at something you simply have to put in the work. If you don't want to put in the work then be happy with where you're at or decide to change and go work at it. Sitting in the wishy washy middle ground of excuses and inaction is a waste.
I think where mastery over toss is absolutely needed is if you want to have control over different types of serves. OTOH, if you are just trying to consistently get the ball in at a good decent pace, racquet loop and arc on your serve is more important than the toss.
What happens if the opposite is done.Arm should be bent at the elbow at the end of the take back but should be straight at impact. Just keep these two reference points in your head and you will be fine for the holidays.
It's not just about practice. I was practicing diligently good or bad weather. The commitment was absolutely there. Yet, my left arm would literally refuse to straighten up, even though I have zero problems tossing with my right hand. That's why I was convinced I either had the yips or some congenital defect. As mentioned in my previous post, the cue that I employ now has absolutely changed my toss. Sometimes as coaches, you might want to look at other things than just assume that it's about wishy washy excuses, and that practice will fix everything.
It's not just about practice. I was practicing diligently good or bad weather. The commitment was absolutely there. Yet, my left arm would literally refuse to straighten up, even though I have zero problems tossing with my right hand. That's why I was convinced I either had the yips or some congenital defect. As mentioned in my previous post, the cue that I employ now has absolutely changed my toss. Sometimes as coaches, you might want to look at other things than just assume that it's about wishy washy excuses, and that practice will fix everything.
IMO, in most cases it's not about physical defects or lack of practice.
It's usually about lack of good, correct instructions and understanding of what to do.
I'm constantly amazed at new things I discovered. I thought I knew a lot after 10 years but high speed videos (on my phone) point out a lot of wrongs. Thanks @Chas for pushing the idea of high speed video.
What happens if the opposite is done.
Arm straight at takeback and bent at impact?
That's what you did in a video.Find that hard to visualize
That's what you did in a video.
Arm should be bent at the elbow at the end of the take back but should be straight at impact. Just keep these two reference points in your head and you will be fine for the holidays.
Oh. Ok. Lol. Did you recently take some lessons?That was before this tip
I think today my brain has finally come around and accepted that pronation is required and the racket head has to go from the "inside" to the outside or side of the body. And I must strengthen up the ISR action.
You can't get away from these basics if you want a sound, powerful serve.
I think today my brain has finally come around and accepted that pronation is required and the racket head has to go from the "inside" to the outside or side of the body. And I must strengthen up the ISR action.
You can't get away from these basics if you want a sound, powerful serve.
29 posts about the serve and not a single picture or high speed video of the tennis serve.
Lol. The internet is brutal.There are some pics that cannot be unseen.
actually the arm should be slightly bent at contact.... you will add spin and your service % will go up... flat serves are inconsistent at best
The ISR and the pronation by Andy couldn't be more pronounced and obvious:A lot of WTA girls dont do it and serve big, also andy murray and a few guys also dont and serve 130mph.
I think its more about maximizing spin with this.
But you can serve big without "full" pronation.
https://www.tennisplayer.net/public/tour_strokes/john_yandell/murray_serve/
Not sure what you mean, ChasThat orientation and motion never appear in the tennis serve.
The ISR and the pronation by Andy couldn't be more pronounced and obvious:
I never argued Andy "fully" or not "fully pronates"
However, he does pronate and perform the isr motion.
Post #38 to Chas is what I mean: the racket's swing directionYes but in your post before you said you must pronate and the racquet has to come from inside to outside if you want a powerful serve, that inside to outside for me means that the stringbed faces the right fence after, or what did you mean by it?
Post #38 to Chas is what I mean: the racket's swing direction
Pronation is indicative with the racket face. It's just one aspect. Swing direction (path) is different.
i like the box idea...Look at this photo.
From photo 1-9, you can put Federer's whole body in an imaginary rectangle box.
From 10 on, his arm and body break out of the box! This was important for me to realize. I needed to understand the proper setup and (the intent of) the swing path!!!!
Amazing serve.I found this interesting ... the following is as high as Roscoe Tanner's tossing arm got. He served 150 mph serves.
Amazing serve.
Some nice footage of him vs. Wilander in the Aussie final.
^^^ I want to try that, though I doubt if I will hit 150 mph