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Simple question: what do you think will be the consequences for the sport from the continuing inflating of the career results of the big three?
There are two paths: one leads to the continuous search for records that inflates the chest of the fans, the other to total boredom.Simple question: what do you think will be the consequences for the sport from the continuing inflating of the career results of the big three?
if the trend continues RG will lose its status and become scrapped
Laver, Rosewall and Gonzales already broke longevity records but the game went on.
The game will go on in any event. That is not in question. The question is: in what manner. Also, their achievements were made largely "from the period" due to the Open era.
What will be the new "Open era" once people realise what happened in the period of the big 3?
Too soon to tell. I think the same thing could have happened at the beginning of the open era if the top players back then had had the advantages of today's players to recover and keep on playing. Rosewall continued longer than Laver, probably due to Laver's back and other issues. There was no modern surgery back then, no MRIs, and so on. No eggs, no ice baths, and no roofs and such to stagger scheduling better. Yet look at Rosewall, and this time Lew is actually right. Check out what Gonzalez did when he was already 40 by the beginning of the open era. Something about the way these older players trained and strained made them tougher, and it took years for younger players to break through.Simple question: what do you think will be the consequences for the sport from the continuing inflating of the career results of the big three?
That's easy, what I've been saying for years.Okay, you have definitely sold me, but what can they do to fix this? If you were the ATP, what would you do?
There are two paths: one leads to the continuous search for records that inflates the chest of the fans, the other to total boredom.
The domain leads to this: Phelps, Bolt, Ferrari & Schumacher ....
If you (Rafa fan?) think about it, what do you care about tennis now?
Overcoming Federer's records and .... that's it.
Aren't you bored by the continuous annihilation of Rafa on clay? Or do they exalt you as before?
Too soon to tell. I think the same thing could have happened at the beginning of the open era if the top players back then had had the advantages of today's players to recover and keep on playing. Rosewall continued longer than Laver, probably due to Laver's back and other issues. There was no modern surgery back then, no MRIs, and so on. No eggs, no ice baths, and no roofs and such to stagger scheduling better. Yet look at Rosewall, and this time Lew is actually right. Check out what Gonzalez did when he was already 40 by the beginning of the open era. Something about the way these older players trained and strained made them tougher, and it took years for younger players to break through.
It may be that this is a weak era. I won't debate that. But it could also mean that the Big Three have been "that good", and look what Murray was doing until his body finally gave out.
So we'll never know for sure. These old players can't go on doing this forever, so when they finally fade most likely people will say it's only because they got so old and the next group will be labeled failures for not breaking through until the old guys' careers were over.
In my mind Nadal was crazy good again at RG. I have my doubts whether or not peak Fed or peak Djokovic could have done much better. Nadal may be slower, and he may get injured more often, but when he is on and not in pain his movement is still insane. Not sure if you caught the shot where he wiffed an impossible no look backhad overhead and still recovered and almost returned the ball starting a second time. I see a craftiness to his play now that is insanely good.
I watched the match long after it was done, after sleep, and I expected to be disgusted by the one-sidedness of the the whole thing. But the first two sets were insanely good, and who knows if the outcome might have been a bit different if Nadal had been forced to play over several days and Thiem got more rest.
So you can say that Nadal was just lucky, and in many ways he was this year, but I don't believe that the same player gets lucky 12 times. He's been doing this now for 15 years now.
Hard to say it's claim it's been a weak era for 15 years. And full disclosure: I was pulling for Thiem, not Rafa.
Come on man, it didn't "took years" for the younger players to break through. Connors was 22 when he started dominating, Borg was, what, 18 when he broke through. What now, do we expect players to start dominating in their teens just to prove that it isn't so?
No, there are no young players that are consistently there in the final rounds, even if they constantly fail to beat the big three. There are no young surface specialists (outside of the HC "specialists" that nowadays everyone is).
That has already happened!!! The current situation is such that we are talking about at least two "lost gens" and a third underway.
Nadal didn't have a single high quality clay court specialist as a rival. No matter how good he might be, there is no going around the fact that his biggest rivals were ATGs with primary HC game.
That is one of the reasons why I consider the tennis authorities partly responsible for the current status quo: they actively create advantages for the big 3. It is not about the weather though. If you look at my thread about the then coming RG 2019, you will see that I actually predicted that Thiem might end up with one of the most difficult draws. It is a complete and utter joke when it is so obvious that it is easy to predict.
Oh, you will be surprised. I am currently working on compiling the list of opponent of Nadal at RG. The glaring "curiosities" are out there. Comfortable opponents, difficult opponents thrown on the other part of the draw, dark horses as far from him as possible. It is all there. Ferrer was in his part of the draw 10 out of possible 13 times, and one time he wasn't he has beaten him at the AO that year. Almagro was literally scheduled in Nadal's draw at RG. Thiem being thrown in his opponent's part of the draw in the last 4 years. It is a farce.
I know that.
The early 80s was one of the greatest periods in tennis history.tennis is at its worst point today since atleast the early 80s.
Whenever you see a stat qualified with "since the ABA merger" that translates to: Wilt's numbers are laughably untouchable.I think they’ll have to change the sport to enable the up-and-comers a shot at the records, and I can see sth similar to what the NBA did. You have NBA “records” every single week, but they’re laughable and artificially inflated. So, basically adapt the rules to get new champs, use a boatload of cash to portray them as better, and hope enough people buy this crap.
But boy, they are sure milking the old guys like there is no tomorrow.
The questions are perhaps two:Yep, watching Nadal win another RG is about as exciting as watching Phelps win another Gold medal, esp if you are a non-fan of both.
But as a biased Nole fan, I'd be happy to watch him keep winning AOs and others as well, so need to put it in some perspective.
In the end, one can only hope the new brigade can step up, otherwise the passing of the torch will only occur when the Big 3 retire.
They have won the last 10 Slams, and no indication that is likely to stop soon.
The questions are perhaps two:
- it's nice to see your idol win but to what extent? There is no breaking point, after which ... do you get bored?
- if your idol doesn't win, doesn't tennis become boring? It's always the usual movie.
I believe that we are different in this world and it is good that way.Depends on the fan. I started liking Fed in 05, but never thought he would pass Sampras. He then did and was the greatest ever... but now that's in jeopardy. It does not change that I love watching him play, whether it is the first round of Halle, or the finals at Wimbledon. I savor every match, cause I know he won't be here much longer.
I did not say that there is a complete parallel between the early open era and now. That's was not my point. My point was that there are some similarities.Come on man, it didn't "took years" for the younger players to break through. Connors was 22 when he started dominating, Borg was, what, 18 when he broke through. What now, do we expect players to start dominating in their teens just to prove that it isn't so?
No disagreement there at all. However, you would think this move away from surface specialization might have been a smooth curve right through the open era, yet it seems to me that it reached its peak in the 90s. You can even see it in RG seeding in those years, because RG seeds by ranking, and ranking had almost zero to do with who won RG in those years. I think the 90s was fun. I think this era mostly is not.No, there are no young players that are consistently there in the final rounds, even if they constantly fail to beat the big three. There are no young surface specialists (outside of the HC "specialists" that nowadays everyone is).
There is no question about this. The only question is why. Decreasing talent may be the biggest reason, but I personally think it is the balance of power based on money, privilege and so on.That has already happened!!! The current situation is such that we are talking about at least two "lost gens" and a third underway.
Absolutely right. Any other clay court specialists have been too weak. But was Borg's dominance much less for the years he was on top? His stats are like Nadal's. The only difference I see is that he quit so much earlier. His greatest rivalry on clay should have been Vilas, but Vilas was normally no threat. There was Panatta, of course.Nadal didn't have a single high quality clay court specialist as a rival. No matter how good he might be, there is no going around the fact that his biggest rivals were ATGs with primary HC game.
I have not looked into this the way you have. You may be right. However, Thiem has never dominated as much as I think a player of his talent should, so I put that on the other things I talked about, the top players have so much money. Money is power. It's a cliche, but it's also true.That is one of the reasons why I consider the tennis authorities partly responsible for the current status quo: they actively create advantages for the big 3. It is not about the weather though. If you look at my thread about the then coming RG 2019, you will see that I actually predicted that Thiem might end up with one of the most difficult draws. It is a complete and utter joke when it is so obvious that it is easy to predict.
Again, you may be right about all this. I never underestimate how much powerful people can rig everything.Oh, you will be surprised. I am currently working on compiling the list of opponent of Nadal at RG. The glaring "curiosities" are out there. Comfortable opponents, difficult opponents thrown on the other part of the draw, dark horses as far from him as possible. It is all there. Ferrer was in his part of the draw 10 out of possible 13 times, and one time he wasn't he has beaten him at the AO that year. Almagro was literally scheduled in Nadal's draw at RG. Thiem being thrown in his opponent's part of the draw in the last 4 years. It is a farce.
I have not looked closely at Almagro's career. I know that on clay he had an amazingly strong serve on clay for his height. But a quick look tells me that he was around 52% of points on clay for his career, and a guy like that is never a threat to a guy like Nadal.Here is how Almagro's scheduling at RG looked like during his career (the years are when he was scheduled in Nadal's half):
Simple question: what do you think will be the consequences for the sport from the continuing inflating of the career results of the big three?
Simple question: what do you think will be the consequences for the sport from the continuing inflating of the career results of the big three?
I did not say that there is a complete parallel between the early open era and now. That's was not my point. My point was that there are some similarities.
I can't explain why even at the beginning of the 2000s there were still very young guys breaking through, and now there are none. Not only do I not understand it, I hate it.
Also, I see the parallels between right now and the early open era as coming from very different circumstances.
In my mind the early dominance of guys like Laver and Rosewall came from being utterly hungry for money and recognition. They had worked their butts off over a decade for very little money, and it was in obscurity. It is likely that some amateurs got more money under the table, which is why Emerson stayed an amateur. This is why I have such huge respect for those guys. They played anywhere, at any time, under any conditions, and often had to drive themselves to tournaments. It was trial by fire, and I think they were the toughest, least coddled group of pros we've ever seen. And two of them, Laver and Rosewall, were quiet gentlemen.
The first young guy who really broke through was Connors, and he was more or less 14 years older than Laver, 18 years older than Rosewall and 24 years older than Gonzalez. Looking back through the telephoto lens of time it seems as though Connors broke through in zero time. Jimmy had some nice wins in 72, but that was still a few years later. By that time Laver was 34, Rosewall 38 and Gonzalez 44. Connors had more great wins in 73, but he still had no majors. That finally happened in 74, and the time between 68 and 74 is not small. The old pros did not have all the things older players have today to keep them going, and I believe more matches back then were 5 sets, although it could be argued that the game was less physical, so that could be a wash.
The dominance of older players in that twilight period was not as great, obviously, but you can still see it. There were guys like Ashe and Newcombe, but Newk went from winning Wimbledon as an amateur in 67 to nothing big until 70, and by that time he was 26. Ashe was a year older. He broke through at the USO in 68, around 25 at the time, but these guys were no teens when they started winning majors. Against that you have guys like Gimeno doing what normally would have been impossible, winning at such an old age.
Now, all of that looks small compared to right now. It's way more obvious, way more lopsided. In my opinion the reason for older dominance now is very different. Medicine, training and quick surgeries are keeping players going longer. There are TUEs, and who knows what is allowed under that loophole. The top players have so much money and inertia behind their success that for me that the whole balance has changed drastically, all on the side of the few players who are now multimillionaires. It's a bit like trying to compete financially in business with Amazon, Apple and Microsoft. Everything now favors old players. They have so much money they can travel in luxury, socialize with their teams (no loneliness), take their families with them along with a nanny, pay the best people on the planet to advise them, train them and take care of their bodies.
That's a helluva lot on the seesaw that balances the talent of youth against the privilege of very successful players.
For that to change the Big Three and others like them finally have to run out of gas, then others have to break through. That's my link to the early open era, but because of all these other factors, and more than any thing the inertia of big money, it's taking way longer. WAY longer. Then if you have a top group who are much weaker, very likely, we may see more parity, and we may even see younger players break through, like Connors, Borg and Mac.
However, even then I think the young players who emerge will be several years older on average.
No disagreement there at all. However, you would think this move away from surface specialization might have been a smooth curve right through the open era, yet it seems to me that it reached its peak in the 90s. You can even see it in RG seeding in those years, because RG seeds by ranking, and ranking had almost zero to do with who won RG in those years. I think the 90s was fun. I think this era mostly is not.
There is no question about this. The only question is why. Decreasing talent may be the biggest reason, but I personally think it is the balance of power based on money, privilege and so on.
Absolutely right. Any other clay court specialists have been too weak. But was Borg's dominance much less for the years he was on top? His stats are like Nadal's. The only difference I see is that he quit so much earlier. His greatest rivalry on clay should have been Vilas, but Vilas was normally no threat. There was Panatta, of course.
I'd say that Borg dominated much as Nadal does on clay. What made him unique was his 5 year run on grass. For 5 years Borg was doing the same thing on grass that Nadal did over a 5 year period at RG, and then he had that amazing grass run. Nothing is more impressive to me than that.
I have not looked into this the way you have. You may be right. However, Thiem has never dominated as much as I think a player of his talent should, so I put that on the other things I talked about, the top players have so much money. Money is power. It's a cliche, but it's also true.
Again, you may be right about all this. I never underestimate how much powerful people can rig everything.
Question: Do you find that all this is worst at RG than in the other majors? I think RG is by far the most poorly run. Could it also be the most dishonest? Or is this across the board at all majors? And how much of it is due to money, how much due to perceived popularity and thus to ticket sales?
I have not looked closely at Almagro's career. I know that on clay he had an amazingly strong serve on clay for his height. But a quick look tells me that he was around 52% of points on clay for his career, and a guy like that is never a threat to a guy like Nadal.
It's just odd 70s-90s when it was difficult to amass large number of slams.
Year End number 1 record still valid metric to compare players in different eras.
Slam counts never was.
Pancho Gonzales(8 year, 2 year co-number one), Rod Laver(7, 2 year co-number 1) in pre-Open era.
70s-90s: Sampras with 6 straight year end #1(open era official ranking).
Djokovic is nearing open era record tie.
Already in 2004 (when Federer won 3 Slams in a year, which Sampras never could do) it was clear to me that Federer would overtake him. It was also the fashion in which he did it, including the double bagel against Hewitt that convinced me.Depends on the fan. I started liking Fed in 05, but never thought he would pass Sampras. He then did and was the greatest ever... but now that's in jeopardy. It does not change that I love watching him play, whether it is the first round of Halle, or the finals at Wimbledon. I savor every match, cause I know he won't be here much longer.
I did not say that there is a complete parallel between the early open era and now. That's was not my point. My point was that there are some similarities.
I can't explain why even at the beginning of the 2000s there were still very young guys breaking through, and now there are none. Not only do I not understand it, I hate it.
Also, I see the parallels between right now and the early open era as coming from very different circumstances.
In my mind the early dominance of guys like Laver and Rosewall came from being utterly hungry for money and recognition. They had worked their butts off over a decade for very little money, and it was in obscurity. It is likely that some amateurs got more money under the table, which is why Emerson stayed an amateur. This is why I have such huge respect for those guys. They played anywhere, at any time, under any conditions, and often had to drive themselves to tournaments. It was trial by fire, and I think they were the toughest, least coddled group of pros we've ever seen. And two of them, Laver and Rosewall, were quiet gentlemen.
The first young guy who really broke through was Connors, and he was more or less 14 years older than Laver, 18 years older than Rosewall and 24 years older than Gonzalez. Looking back through the telephoto lens of time it seems as though Connors broke through in zero time. Jimmy had some nice wins in 72, but that was still a few years later. By that time Laver was 34, Rosewall 38 and Gonzalez 44. Connors had more great wins in 73, but he still had no majors. That finally happened in 74, and the time between 68 and 74 is not small. The old pros did not have all the things older players have today to keep them going, and I believe more matches back then were 5 sets, although it could be argued that the game was less physical, so that could be a wash.
The dominance of older players in that twilight period was not as great, obviously, but you can still see it. There were guys like Ashe and Newcombe, but Newk went from winning Wimbledon as an amateur in 67 to nothing big until 70, and by that time he was 26. Ashe was a year older. He broke through at the USO in 68, around 25 at the time, but these guys were no teens when they started winning majors. Against that you have guys like Gimeno doing what normally would have been impossible, winning at such an old age.
Now, all of that looks small compared to right now. It's way more obvious, way more lopsided. In my opinion the reason for older dominance now is very different. Medicine, training and quick surgeries are keeping players going longer. There are TUEs, and who knows what is allowed under that loophole. The top players have so much money and inertia behind their success that for me that the whole balance has changed drastically, all on the side of the few players who are now multimillionaires. It's a bit like trying to compete financially in business with Amazon, Apple and Microsoft. Everything now favors old players. They have so much money they can travel in luxury, socialize with their teams (no loneliness), take their families with them along with a nanny, pay the best people on the planet to advise them, train them and take care of their bodies.
That's a helluva lot on the seesaw that balances the talent of youth against the privilege of very successful players.
For that to change the Big Three and others like them finally have to run out of gas, then others have to break through. That's my link to the early open era, but because of all these other factors, and more than any thing the inertia of big money, it's taking way longer. WAY longer. Then if you have a top group who are much weaker, very likely, we may see more parity, and we may even see younger players break through, like Connors, Borg and Mac.
However, even then I think the young players who emerge will be several years older on average.
No disagreement there at all. However, you would think this move away from surface specialization might have been a smooth curve right through the open era, yet it seems to me that it reached its peak in the 90s. You can even see it in RG seeding in those years, because RG seeds by ranking, and ranking had almost zero to do with who won RG in those years. I think the 90s was fun. I think this era mostly is not.
There is no question about this. The only question is why. Decreasing talent may be the biggest reason, but I personally think it is the balance of power based on money, privilege and so on.
Absolutely right. Any other clay court specialists have been too weak. But was Borg's dominance much less for the years he was on top? His stats are like Nadal's. The only difference I see is that he quit so much earlier. His greatest rivalry on clay should have been Vilas, but Vilas was normally no threat. There was Panatta, of course.
I'd say that Borg dominated much as Nadal does on clay. What made him unique was his 5 year run on grass. For 5 years Borg was doing the same thing on grass that Nadal did over a 5 year period at RG, and then he had that amazing grass run. Nothing is more impressive to me than that.
I have not looked into this the way you have. You may be right. However, Thiem has never dominated as much as I think a player of his talent should, so I put that on the other things I talked about, the top players have so much money. Money is power. It's a cliche, but it's also true.
Again, you may be right about all this. I never underestimate how much powerful people can rig everything.
Question: Do you find that all this is worst at RG than in the other majors? I think RG is by far the most poorly run. Could it also be the most dishonest? Or is this across the board at all majors? And how much of it is due to money, how much due to perceived popularity and thus to ticket sales?
I have not looked closely at Almagro's career. I know that on clay he had an amazingly strong serve on clay for his height. But a quick look tells me that he was around 52% of points on clay for his career, and a guy like that is never a threat to a guy likeI did not say that there is a complete parallel between the early open era and now. That's was not my point. My point was that there are some similarities.
I can't explain why even at the beginning of the 2000s there were still very young guys breaking through, and now there are none. Not only do I not understand it, I hate it.
Also, I see the parallels between right now and the early open era as coming from very different circumstances.
In my mind the early dominance of guys like Laver and Rosewall came from being utterly hungry for money and recognition. They had worked their butts off over a decade for very little money, and it was in obscurity. It is likely that some amateurs got more money under the table, which is why Emerson stayed an amateur. This is why I have such huge respect for those guys. They played anywhere, at any time, under any conditions, and often had to drive themselves to tournaments. It was trial by fire, and I think they were the toughest, least coddled group of pros we've ever seen. And two of them, Laver and Rosewall, were quiet gentlemen.
Absolutely right. Any other clay court specialists have been too weak. But was Borg's dominance much less for the years he was on top? His stats are like Nadal's. The only difference I see is that he quit so much earlier. His greatest rivalry on clay should have been Vilas, but Vilas was normally no threat. There was Panatta, of
I have not looked closely at Almagro's career. I know that on clay he had an amazingly strong serve on clay for his height. But a quick look tells me that he was around 52% of points on clay for his career, and a guy like that is never a threat to a guy like Nadal.
I'm far from convinced there's a problem for young players breaking through in the current era. If a player of the quality of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic came along now they'd break through in a heartbeat. Tsitsipas has gone from 205 to 6 in the world in 2 years, FAA from 110 to 25 in 3 months. All that's really happened is that the leading young players in the last decade have either been flakes or lacked genuine quality. Zverev is a player of very dubious physical and mental ability but got to number 3 with 2 Masters wins at age 20.
To the broader issue of the thread, the big 3 dominance has the sport moving into an interesting place. It looks set up as a classic race against time for Nadal or Djokovic to eclipse Federer's record before Thiem/Tsitsipas/FAA become too good for them. If those younger players compete successfully against the old guard over the next couple of years it positions the tour for strength at the top of the rankings, albeit with a lack of depth below them.
As long as Fedal > Djokovic in the Slam count, I am fine with the inflated legacy.
On the subject of the thread I think the big 3 dominance has put the sport into an interesting position. Will Thiem/Tsitsipas/FAA be able to thwart Djokovic and Nadal as they chase history. To me it positions it in a classic intergenerational battle.
Regarding the difficulty of young players breaking through. It's not young players that have failed to break through. Players simply didn't break through at all because they were inferior, not due to age. Tsitsipas currently and Zverev a couple of years ago are demonstrating that players can still come through young.
Based on the history of the sport in the OE, it is very unlikely that there was a lack of talent to such an extent. Usually even less talented players would nick a Major and build a solid career around preferred conditions. With the exception of Del Potro, who was completely ruined by injuries, and Cilic, who is only two years younger than Djokovic there is no such a player. That is a HUGE amount of time. We are talking about 1! time Major winners here.
Also, let's not forget that even if the above mentioned young players start winning Majors immediately (and currently only Thiem at RG and USO looks ready for that) the transition will take another couple of years, so we are talking about up to fifteen years of almost no other competition. That is indeed unprecedented anyway you slice it.
Go watch WTA then.This is not about RG.
It has been evident for a long time now that the crisis is unprecedented. The 4 in a row from Djokovic was the harbinger for where the things are heading. Federer vs Nadal in 2017 was already a HUGE red flag. The chance for a second 4 in a row was already the confirmation that the things went out of control.
Also, this sentiment is not new (contrary of what some ****s think right now).
Sampras' competition was spread out more. Many more top players existed then. Federer's toughest (and perhaps "tougher") rivals were clustered more closer together, although they may also have been fewer than the field of the 90's. The field has gotten worse and worse since the arrival of Federer and the extreme focus on the internet and self entertainment. The rivals outside the big 3/4 was only a foreshadow of the weakness we still see when old Nadal beats the likes of Thiem in a final. The best the world has "now" still cannot topple "the past".Already in 2004 (when Federer won 3 Slams in a year, which Sampras never could do) it was clear to me that Federer would overtake him. It was also the fashion in which he did it, including the double bagel against Hewitt that convinced me.
Nadal was not there yet, and it was absolutely sure that Federer wouldn’t have the Sampras type of Slam losses against someone like Yzaga, Korda, Kucera, Martin etc. etc. in years to come. And we are not even talking yet about all the clay failures.
Apart from his last tournament (the 2002 US Open) Sampras won only Wimbledon after turning 25 and ne never won anything on clay for his whole career. That’s not enough. It was clear that his record wouldn’t stand for a long time and surely wouldn’t withstand Federer.
And now imagine where the record would stand now if Nadal didn’t come. In fact, he was a huge anomaly nobody could have predicted. And then Djokovic arrived. And still Federer broke the record easily. Now imagine again: How many Slams would Sampras have won in an era with 2 of those rivals?
Fedalovic are just that good. Tennis_Hands said a third lost gen is on the way under the titulage of Fedalovic but i really just Believe they are 1 in many billion players who happened to play in the same era. These gens we are seeing, are not good enough cause Fedalovic doesn't allow it. Who knows, would guys like Becker, Edberg, Wilander, etc who all started winning at an early age be able to dethrone the big 3 as youngsters? We will never know, but just think about that for a minute. These lost gens we have seen over the years, have been incredibly unlucky. That's how I see it.
Lol, so your explanation is 3 simultaneous cases of “1 in many billion”? Don’t quit your day job, buddy. Unless your day job is explaining things, then quit. Fast.
Fedalovic are just that good. Tennis_Hands said a third lost gen is on the way under the titulage of Fedalovic but i really just Believe they are 1 in many billion players who happened to play in the same era. These gens we are seeing, are not good enough cause Fedalovic doesn't allow it. Who knows, would guys like Becker, Edberg, Wilander, etc who all started winning at an early age be able to dethrone the big 3 as youngsters? We will never know, but just think about that for a minute. These lost gens we have seen over the years, have been incredibly unlucky. That's how I see it.
What?
Fedalovic are just that good. Tennis_Hands said a third lost gen is on the way under the titulage of Fedalovic but i really just Believe they are 1 in many billion players who happened to play in the same era. These gens we are seeing, are not good enough cause Fedalovic doesn't allow it. Who knows, would guys like Becker, Edberg, Wilander, etc who all started winning at an early age be able to dethrone the big 3 as youngsters? We will never know, but just think about that for a minute. These lost gens we have seen over the years, have been incredibly unlucky. That's how I see it.
Okay, you have definitely sold me, but what can they do to fix this? If you were the ATP, what would you do?
The top isn’t always the same, that’s for sure. Not every 10 years have a GOAT candidate. But the field behind the top 5 or top 10 should always be quite comparable. At least it is highly unlikely statistically that a "full field" ist just that much weaker in another era. I think Sampras being pushed out of the game really was due to him being not exactly as good as the Big 3, at least not consistantly.Sampras' competition was spread out more. Many more top players existed then. Federer's toughest (and perhaps "tougher") rivals were clustered more closer together, although they may also have been fewer than the field of the 90's. The field has gotten worse and worse since the arrival of Federer and the extreme focus on the internet and self entertainment. The rivals outside the big 3/4 was only a foreshadow of the weakness we still see when old Nadal beats the likes of Thiem in a final. The best the world has "now" still cannot topple "the past".
Whenever you see a stat qualified with "since the ABA merger" that translates to: Wilt's numbers are laughably untouchable.
Adding 4 teams clearly necessitates a new set of records???
I think it's lack of talent, combined with mental fragility. Zverev broke through at a young age, and he seems to lack both talent and mental fortitude but was still able to win 2 masters and get to 3 in the world by age 20. Which player was thwarted by this "conspiracy" to sustain the dominance of the Big 3? Raonic, Nishikori, Dimitrov, Tomic or Kyrgios? It's hard to attribute any of their inability to make it to the very top to organisational bias towards the big 3.