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oldmanfan · Jun 10, 2019

stringertom said:
Yes, Shapovalov went 0-7 in 2018 vs fellow lefties, all except the Nadal loss in Rome being to underdogs. He has bounced back with a 2-0 record in 2019 vs Klizan in DC and Humbert in Lyon, both on clay BTW (Klizan indoors clay).

That ‘18 skid was particularly disappointing after those two wins vs The Nadal and Mannarino in Montreal’17. No sneaking up on his victims after that run and his six wins to qualify and reach USO 4R.

I think the biggest advantage (pun very much intended) for lefty vs righty is really big points (40-30, 30-40 and the ad in/out points) within games help the sinister siders if they have a spinny slice serve to take the receiver further off the court. For Shapo to attack fellow southpaws more effectively on those points he needs a better kicker down the T to those lefty BHs.

Agreed, that IS the biggest advantage; that almost every single big point is played on a lefty's best, most natural serve-out-wide (unless 15-40, it's all true for 0-40, 30-40, 40-30, Ad-40, 40-Ad). Righties don't have this luxury, the opposite really, thus a huge disadvantage, and likely why Fedr is soooo bad at converting BPs. He gets to the BPs often bc those points that lead to BPs for him are from lefty-serves that can't naturally exploit his BH wing as much.

Im(moral) Winner · Jun 10, 2019

stringertom said:
I’m trying to think of an active lefty besides Nadal with a match win vs fedr. I come up with Delbonis but is there anyone else? Melzer is basically retired. fedr is undefeated vs López, Verdasco and Mannarino, the trio he has played most often.

How could you forget Albert Ramos-Vinolas beating peak Fed in Shanghai?

AceSalvo · Jun 10, 2019

icedevil0289 said:
I keep going back and forth on whrther no.2 or no.3 would be better. I feel like maybe if he lands in novaks half the semis might be easier to defeat him than finals. There is also a small chance he is

MajesticTennisManiac said:
Federer can secure #2 by reaching Halle SF

The seeding order is determined using the formula: ATP Entry System Position points + 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months + 75% points earned for the best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.

For Nadal its fixed now
Nadal = 7945(entry ranking points)+720(grass points of last 12 months)+135(75% of 2017s best grass points)=8800

Federer has 6670 points now but will drop 550 from Stuttgart+Halle last year =6120

So, Federer = 6120(entry ranking points)+910(grass points of last 12 months)+1500(75% of 2017s best grass points) =8530

Since his Halle points will be added in both entry ranking points and grass points of last 12 months his Halle points will be doubled.

Win-500
Final-300
SF-180
QF-90
R16-45

So Federer needs to reach Halle SF( 3 match wins ) he will get 360 points, 8530+360=8980

Wimbledon seeding points on 6.24.2019:

With win at Halle19, he gets 8892.5
[6120+500+1*360+.75*(300+250+2000)]

With F at Halle 19, he gets 8692.5
[6120+300+1*360+.75*(300+250+2000)]

He needs to win Halle 19 to be seeded #2. ATP points are back dated from 6.24.2019. Hence he won’t get Halle17 and Stuttgart17 points.

Lleytonstation · Jun 10, 2019

Fed is NOT playing the Halle Open (Gerry Weber Open) this year. He has now entered the Noventi Open...

oldmanfan · Jun 10, 2019

Lleytonstation said:
Fed is NOT playing the Halle Open (Gerry Weber Open) this year. He has now entered the Noventi Open...

I know it mainly as Halle. So I'm saaaaafe!!!

oldmanfan · Jun 10, 2019

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1138126048749596672

Cloister · Jun 10, 2019

AceSalvo said:
Wimbledon seeding points on 6.24.2019:

With win at Halle19, he gets 8892.5
[6120+500+1*360+.75*(300+250+2000)]

With F at Halle 19, he gets 8692.5
[6120+300+1*360+.75*(300+250+2000)]

He needs to win Halle 19 to be seeded #2. ATP points are back dated from 6.24.2019. Hence he won’t get Halle17 and Stuttgart17 points.

It doesn’t matter for the end result, but only Wimbledon ‘17 counts for the 2nd year prior points for Fed. Only the best 2nd year prior result is used.

AceSalvo · Jun 10, 2019

Cloister said:
It doesn’t matter for the end result, but only Wimbledon ‘17 counts for the 2nd year prior points for Fed. Only the best 2nd year prior result is used.

Ah, missed that. So even if Fed gets full Halle 18 points (because he earned it as of 6.25.2018) winning Halle19 won’t get him #2 seed.

With win at Halle19, he gets 8780
[6120+500+1*(360+300)+.75*(2000)]

So Fed is locked for #3 regardless of Halle 19 result.

Cloister · Jun 10, 2019

AceSalvo said:
Ah, missed that. So even if Fed gets full Halle 18 points (because he earned it as of 6.25.2018) winning Halle19 won’t get him #2 seed.

With win at Halle19, he gets 8780
[6120+500+1*(360+300)+.75*(2000)]

The 300 in the prior 12 months should be 500 if he wins Halle (last years 300 drops, but this years 500 would be added). Would put him at 8,980 and into the 2 seed.

AceSalvo · Jun 10, 2019

Cloister said:
The 300 in the prior 12 months should be 500 if he wins Halle (last years 300 drops, but this years 500 would be added). Would put him at 8,980 and into the 2 seed.

Roger that. So even though I initially had the wrong calculation, I got the correct conclusion that Fed needs to win Halle19 to lock #2.

Otacon · Jun 10, 2019

I like Roger even more after watching this interview. You feel he's a genuinely down-to-earth nice guy, there's nothing fake about his personality. His parents and his wife have had the most wonderful influence on him.
It's a shame I don't have the time nor the energy to translate it for you guys but I'm sure some crazy dedicated Fedfans will do it very soon.

NBP · Jun 10, 2019

Anyone get the feeling that Fed’s 2017-2018-2019 is eerily similar to his 2012-2013-2014?

2012/2017 were the renaissance years, winning Slams and a bunch of Masters, beating the World #1, playing great tennis.

2013/2018(after Indian Wells) were years with a loss of motivation, injury and at times scary bad play (was watching Basel of last year again and some of Feds matches begs belief how bad he was. That tournament will actually go down as one of my favourite ever because of his hilariously bad play every match yet winning the title)

And 2014/2019 being years were he went back to basics, found his forehand again, and seemed to be enjoying his tennis again.

Even some of the results are similar...

12/17 - Indian Wells, Wimbledon titles, USO QF

13/18 - Paris/London SF, USO 4R drenched in humidity

14/19 - Dubai title then losing Indian Wells Final from up a break, first two Slams being 4R/SF

Anyway, if Fed doesn’t play Djokovic I truly truly believe he’ll win Wimbledon. I even predicted it from the start of the year, though I thought he’d be irrelevant for the most part and only win two title all season, he has already exceeded my expectations.

oldmanfan · Jun 10, 2019

NBP said:
Anyone get the feeling that Fed’s 2017-2018-2019 is eerily similar to his 2012-2013-2014?

2012/2017 were the renaissance years, winning Slams and a bunch of Masters, beating the World #1, playing great tennis.

2013/2018(after Indian Wells) were years with a loss of motivation, injury and at times scary bad play (was watching Basel of last year again and some of Feds matches begs belief how bad he was. That tournament will actually go down as one of my favourite ever because of his hilariously bad play every match yet winning the title)

And 2014/2019 being years were he went back to basics, found his forehand again, and seemed to be enjoying his tennis again.

Even some of the results are similar...

12/17 - Indian Wells, Wimbledon titles, USO QF

13/18 - Paris/London SF, USO 4R drenched in humidity

14/19 - Dubai title then losing Indian Wells Final from up a break, first two Slams being 4R/SF

Anyway, if Fed doesn’t play Djokovic I truly truly believe he’ll win Wimbledon. I even predicted it from the start of the year, though I thought he’d be irrelevant for the most part and only win two title all season, he has already exceeded my expectations.

I think you're onto something.
Take a look at where 2019 is...
All slam years....

:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1135976644340883457

rmontro · Jun 10, 2019

oldmanfan said:
You're braver than me. They each get older, but the lefty-advantage will always be a disadvantage for Fedr

Also, Nadal will always be four years younger than Federer, and has been every time they've played. That's ultimately a big advantage for Rafa. At the very least, it hurts him in the head to head. Same with Djokovic, except he's five years younger.

Lleytonstation said:
Yeah, I think the era is a little weaker. Maybe just mentally, but definitely weaker. Also, they are just simply that great and they are such competitors that they keep one upping eachother. I get it, it should not be happening, but it is and it is amazing to be alive to see it happen.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be happening, but I think there's a logical explanation for it (though I don't know what it is). If you look at the lack of great US players coming up, it appears that the better athletes are going into other sports instead of tennis. Tennis isn't as big in the States as it once was. There's also longevity - people are smarter about how to take care of their body longer (odd that this is the case in the midst of an obesity epidemic). There could be many reasons.

Tennis_Hands · Jun 10, 2019

oldmanfan · Jun 11, 2019

Was checking NBA stuff, and came across a Fedr mention from super coach Steve Kerr. It's over a yr old, but still good. And boy am I glad The Old Man is still playing.

Grampa · Jun 11, 2019

NBP said:
Anyone get the feeling that Fed’s 2017-2018-2019 is eerily similar to his 2012-2013-2014?

2012/2017 were the renaissance years, winning Slams and a bunch of Masters, beating the World #1, playing great tennis.

2013/2018(after Indian Wells) were years with a loss of motivation, injury and at times scary bad play (was watching Basel of last year again and some of Feds matches begs belief how bad he was. That tournament will actually go down as one of my favourite ever because of his hilariously bad play every match yet winning the title)

And 2014/2019 being years were he went back to basics, found his forehand again, and seemed to be enjoying his tennis again.

Even some of the results are similar...

12/17 - Indian Wells, Wimbledon titles, USO QF

13/18 - Paris/London SF, USO 4R drenched in humidity

14/19 - Dubai title then losing Indian Wells Final from up a break, first two Slams being 4R/SF

Anyway, if Fed doesn’t play Djokovic I truly truly believe he’ll win Wimbledon. I even predicted it from the start of the year, though I thought he’d be irrelevant for the most part and only win two title all season, he has already exceeded my expectations.

Fed's 07-08-09 too were pretty similar to the years in bold.
07 was the most successful and had a great h2h against his rivals all year, mentally upto the mark when required. (Similar to 2012 and 2017)
08 was a year of poor play, losing h2h against top 10 players, injuries and illness, best run to slam being on a hardcourt, mental fatigue and horrible choking at times. Surprising loss at the WTF and lost at Cincinnati.(Similar to 2013 and 2018)
09 he returned to form, got his footspeed and forehand back and after a disappointing run at AO found his mojo again. Let's wait out the year to see if my evaluation holds up.

It seems to me that Roger is operating on his 3rd five year plan

Ann · Jun 11, 2019

Sorry guys... kept trying to post the Noventi/Gerry Weber/Halle countdown clock and the only way to do it was by posting it to my twitter account and after posting that I couldn't edit out my link.. so I had to delete everything.

Hey, I tried.

Breakpointerer · Jun 12, 2019

So when does Fed play his next match?
Apologize if it has already been posted somewhere

oldmanfan · Jun 12, 2019

Breakpointerer said:
So when does Fed play his next match?
Apologize if it has already been posted somewhere

In Halle next week.

Breakpointerer · Jun 12, 2019

oldmanfan said:
In Halle next week.

Alright, thanks!

Ann · Jun 12, 2019

Here's the link for the Halle / Noventi /Gerry Weber Open. It took me 10 minutes to find it last night (thank god for wikipedia)

https://www.gerryweber-open.de/en/

oldmanfan · Jun 12, 2019

Breakpointerer said:
Alright, thanks!

Yw! And welcome to the forum. The ride can be rough here, but hang in there

.

Breakpointerer · Jun 12, 2019

oldmanfan said:
Yw! And welcome to the forum. The ride can be rough here, but hang in there .

Thanks so much for the warm welcome!
I've actually been reading this forum for a while now so I have a pretty good idea on who to avoid and who I can respectfully converse with, so it's all good.

Lleytonstation · Jun 12, 2019

I was thinking today about Fed chances at Wimbledon. I honestly think Rafa winning (by going through Fed) RG and getting closer than ever to Fed slams will increase Fed's motivation.

Unlike times when his draw opens up and he gets a little nervous when he is the favorite. I think he does his best work when he is up against it and has little pressure. I don't think he will feel pressured to win wimbledon simply because Rafa is catching him, but I do think he sees this as an opportunity to let everyone know he is still here. Such as AO17 and sunshine double this year.

I feel he is playing under the radar tennis as everyone focuses on Djoker and Rafa. I see him focusing on his serve big time this grass season, and if he can lock that down... who knows?

Just have a good feeling about this grass season, as if Fed is lurching in the background thinking "i still got what it takes."

Ann · Jun 12, 2019

2 days and 15 hours to the start of the Gerry Weber/Noventi/Halle Open.

Lleytonstation · Jun 12, 2019

Ann said:
2 days and 15 hours to the start of the Gerry Weber/Noventi/Halle Open.

I expect an hourly update till then

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Ann · Jun 12, 2019

Lleytonstation said:
I expect an hourly update till then .

LOL, I tried so hard to embed the countdown clock here last night but alas...

Ann · Jun 12, 2019

@Lleytonstation 2 days and 14 hours.

Ann · Jun 12, 2019

I'm watching the US Open Finals Federer vs. Agassi from 2005, Roger just polished off the 3rd set... a few things:
Roger still had on-court arrogance issues in 2005, hadn't quite acquired that elegant grace yet.
He seemingly made just as many unforced errors then as he does now
His serve is still awesome but I did NOT remember it being as good as it was. The accuracy/placement was beyond description.
Anyone that says he hasn't lost a step, needs to see an optometrist - STAT.
He was chunkier then than he is now and I thought it was the other way around.
This was the prime of his prime and anyone that thinks Djoker or Ralph could stand a chance against 2005 Fred is delusional.
and in conclusion:
GOAT

The End.

BeatlesFan · Jun 12, 2019

Ann said:
I'm watching the US Open Finals Federer vs. Agassi from 2005, Roger just polished off the 3rd set... a few things:
Roger still had on-court arrogance issues in 2005, hadn't quite acquired that elegant grace yet.
He seemingly made just as many unforced errors then as he does now
His serve is still awesome but I did NOT remember it being as good as it was. The accuracy/placement was beyond description.
Anyone that says he hasn't lost a step, needs to see an optometrist - STAT.
He was chunkier then than he is now and I thought it was the other way around.
This was the prime of his prime and anyone that thinks Djoker or Ralph could stand a chance against 2005 Fred is delusional.
and in conclusion:
GOAT

The End.

Love it....!! And how about his movement? He's so much slower now it ain't even funny.

Lleytonstation · Jun 12, 2019

Ann said:
I'm watching the US Open Finals Federer vs. Agassi from 2005, Roger just polished off the 3rd set... a few things:
Roger still had on-court arrogance issues in 2005, hadn't quite acquired that elegant grace yet.
He seemingly made just as many unforced errors then as he does now
His serve is still awesome but I did NOT remember it being as good as it was. The accuracy/placement was beyond description.
Anyone that says he hasn't lost a step, needs to see an optometrist - STAT.
He was chunkier then than he is now and I thought it was the other way around.
This was the prime of his prime and anyone that thinks Djoker or Ralph could stand a chance against 2005 Fred is delusional.
and in conclusion:
GOAT

The End.

The precision was just more consistent back then for him. I feel he sometimes has to red line himself to play the level he did in the mid 2000's.

Ann · Jun 12, 2019

BeatlesFan said:
Love it....!! And how about his movement? He's so much slower now it ain't even funny.

NO KIDDING! It's shocking. Sure I knew he'd lost 'a step' but the guys feet were a blur in his prime.

Match is now over. Still basking in the magic that was young GOAT.

BeatlesFan · Jun 12, 2019

Ann said:
He was chunkier then than he is now and I thought it was the other way around.

I honestly think it was just the baggier clothes:

BeatlesFan · Jun 12, 2019

Ann said:
NO KIDDING! It's shocking. Sure I knew he'd lost 'a step' but the guys feet were a blur in his prime.

Match is now over. Still basking in the magic that was young GOAT.

Weren't you impressed thought by Andre's incredible ball striking? He took a cortisone injection in the spine before taking the court that afternoon and was just amazing!

Ann · Jun 12, 2019

BeatlesFan said:
Weren't you impressed thought by Andre's incredible ball striking? He took a cortisone injection in the spine before taking the court that afternoon and was just amazing!

With Andre is was just the opposite for me. I remember him from the beginning of his career until the end, watching this I could see how much he'd slowed, how less fluid his movements were. I also didn't realize how short he was until this match (LOL). But yeah even nearing the end of his career he hit a heavy ball and it was fast.

I never knew about the cortisone shot, or I knew and had forgotten. Thanks for filling that in, that may explain why he seemed less "fluid".

The commentators were Russian so I watched the whole match on mute.....

Ann · Jun 12, 2019

BeatlesFan said:
I honestly think it was just the baggier clothes:

It may have been, also he still had baby face Fred happening.

DRII · Jun 12, 2019

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1136982870579404800

BeatlesFan · Jun 12, 2019

Ann said:
It may have been, also he still had baby face Fred happening.

Grampa · Jun 12, 2019

My thread got deleted. There are tons of thread crapping on Fed but I make one thread on Novak and it got deleted. Ombillable

Lleytonstation · Jun 12, 2019

Grampa said:
My thread got deleted. There are tons of thread crapping on Fed but I make one thread on Novak and it got deleted. Ombillable

Everything is getting deleted these days. It is 1984 again.

MeatTornado · Jun 12, 2019

Lleytonstation said:
Everything is getting deleted these days. It is 1984 again.

uh-oh. Time to make a break for Discord again!

Ann · Jun 12, 2019

Things are getting deleted because this place is out of control - it's troll heaven. The kids are out of school for the summer and have invaded the board. I've put 20-30 people on ignore this week and I'm sure I've only scratched the surface.

Now back to Fred...…….

oldmanfan · Jun 12, 2019

Ann said:
Things are getting deleted because this place is out of control - it's troll heaven. The kids are out of school for the summer and have invaded the board. I've put 20-30 people on ignore this week and I'm sure I've only scratched the surface.

Now back to Fred...…….

'F'red likes 'F'ives....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1138684574756724736

MasturB · Jun 12, 2019

oldmanfan said:
'F'red likes 'F'ives....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1138684574756724736

Tiger was pulling in over 100m a year in endorsements before the cheating on his wife thing went public.

oldmanfan · Jun 13, 2019

Fedr. Unreal serve consistency. His serve has been especially amazing since 2014, after switching racquet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1139044595294248962

Lleytonstation · Jun 13, 2019

oldmanfan said:
Fedr. Unreal serve consistency. His serve has been especially amazing since 2014, after switching racquet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1139044595294248962

That is just what I wanted to see going into wimbledon. He will need to serve his best to win it.

Ann · Jun 13, 2019

Ann said:
With Andre is was just the opposite for me. I remember him from the beginning of his career until the end, watching this I could see how much he'd slowed, how less fluid his movements were. I also didn't realize how short he was until this match (LOL). But yeah even nearing the end of his career he hit a heavy ball and it was fast.

I never knew about the cortisone shot, or I knew and had forgotten. Thanks for filling that in, that may explain why he seemed less "fluid".

The commentators were Russian so I watched the whole match on mute.....

Just realized how racist this sounds, the commentators only SPOKE Russian so I put them on mute because it was just a distraction. I have nothing against Russians.

Ann · Jun 13, 2019

Gerry Webber/Noventi/Halle Open begins in 2 days and 3 hours @Lleytonstation
https://www.gerryweber-open.de/en/

Plamen1234 · Jun 13, 2019

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1139221076767121414

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