Well, I don't know her situation, but I guess it is not so easy for some. I do know Tomic tanked. I just said I don't know the girls situation so I don't have anything to say about her.I don't know what your asking. I thought you wrote that a violation of the First Round Tanking Rule I'll call it because I don't want to find the official name is clear to "Any tennis fan, player, or official..."
Tatishvilli was fined under the rule as Bernie was. She appealed. The fine was reversed in whole. So it follows application of the rule isn't so clear.
True, he has not been reprimanded that I know of so I guess the prior behavior should not be taken into account.
I didn't see the match.
Tomic in fact does work for the ATP and when he plays for Wimbledon he does work for Wimbledon's governing body. And using the words in this - no. But an employer will tell an employee in a 2nd warning, you completed none of your assignments, you show up late everyday, your attitude is detrimental to the department. Going forward if all isn't reversed immediately blah, blah, blah with a whole of words and approved by the company's attorney.
He agrees to follow their rules, if he doesn't then he doesn't play for them anymore. It's not "working for" but it's in essence the exact same thing. Break the ATP or Wimbledon's rules is the same thing as breaking your bosses rules and there will be repercussions.
That's where Tomic needs to take this. Tatishvili explicitly asked the Grand slam board what "professional standard" is and they refused to give her an answer... preferring to pay her back instead.Next stop CAS. Bernie can just crib half or more of the Tatishvili appeal.
Yup.They refused her an answer because they haven’t defined it or can’t because they don’t know what it means and they prefer to use the “I’ll let you know when I see it” together with “helpful presence of a [anonymous] highly regarded independent coaching expert who has worked with numerous top players.” All in all, very transparent, easily understood by a pro tennis player and very fair.
Whatever it means what Babcock wrote doesn’t explain it at all: “Despite the score line,” the letter [to Tatishvili] continued, “it is clear that you — even confirmed by your in-form opponent — were competing professionally from the first to the very last point, however unsuccessful in the end.”
What does that mean ? It can’t mean trying to win every point, game or set because anyone that has ever watched tennis knows what Tomic reportedly said is correct: conservation of energy and strategic tanking are part of the sport (see most recently Men’s Singles W final, 2019, 2nd set).
Onward and upwards to CAS !
Uber and every other alleged “platform” all breath a sigh of relief. It’s all the same.
You make some good points that putting the rule on paper is virtually impossible, however, it should be easy to identify by watching the match. Then again they might have missed the mark on the girl, so maybe for some it is not as easy as it looks.
What the rule at issue means and how it was applied and whether any of it is defensible are some of the issues not whether there are repercussions to a player violating a rule which seems to me an obvious generality that doesn’t resolve anything with respect to Bernie.
Can you explain what playing to a professional standard means, who should determine it and how ?
It's at the discretion of the governing body.
What the rule at issue means and how it was applied and whether any of it is defensible are some of the issues not whether there are repercussions to a player violating a rule which seems to me an obvious generality that doesn’t resolve anything with respect to Bernie.
Can you explain what playing to a professional standard means, who should determine it and how ?
They are de facto employees when they agree to be a member of the ATP or play at Wimbledon. They are subject to the rules of the organizations and in return can share in the wealth if they follow the rules or not get paid if they break them.
except that it is
Disagree with me but don't be an arse.
So you think Tomic did not tank? The letter was as it should be, to the point, truthful, and bold.
Yes, and they would have come to the correct decision to warn Tomic, or if he already had a warning, they would define it as tanking and fine him some agreed upon amount.
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We were so close.You insult Bernie, you insult all players. Deals off.
I don't get your issue with the letter? Screw PC, say what you mean and what everyone else is thinking.
So the rules are irrelevant when you disagree with them?
No such thing as de facto employee.
Your point about players being subject to rules generally is a repeat by you and no less irrelevant the second time insofar as determining whether any particular rule makes any sense either it’s meaning or application.
So the rules are irrelevant when you disagree with them?
Why do you care so ******* much? I don't.
No that's one way to say this is a stupidazz argument. I stated my opinion you stated yours. I haven't cared much from the beginning and think it's weird that you do. He broke the rules, you say there's no rule to be broken. Boom end of conversation but you want to go on for 154,686 hours saying the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over and over.
