The problem is that some act like Federer was never close to doing this. And that's huge disrespect. In 2005-2007 he had to face peak Nadal in RG, and he played just as good as Djokovic did against worse versions of Nadal in RG. Federer never had the luck of facing a collapsing Murray in RG final. Even in 2009 he actually had a decent RG draw.
I'm not interested in asking all those generations why none of them ever did it because there's pretty clear and obvious reasons nobody achieved it in most of that stretch when it was either significantly less important or significantly harder a thing to pull off.
Maybe and maybe not... We will never know for sure. Secondly, Nadal is not equal RG... Thirdly, if anyone was constantly close to beat Nadal on clay it's Novak, so if anyone deserved to beat Nadal there it was him, and he did it ... It wasn't best Nadal, we all know, but it wasn't best Novak eighter... Why would we always compare peak Nadal with any version of other players?
Like any of these slams were nearly as weak as RG 2016.
Djokovic also lost to Wawrinka in RG 2015 and to Thiem in RG 2019. So let's start bashing him for that.
True. As long as he is credited for his consistency, I agree. Winning 4 Slams in a row was a fantastic sign of consistency from Novak. Now, that was not a complete domination of all the tour surfaces, but rather an opportunistic exercise at RG. As soon as Nadal came back to form in 2017, Djokovic was unable to win RG again. The only way Nadal fans can "forget" the way he won RG 2016 is if he wins another RG title this time defeating Nadal in the final.
Thanks, I don't even give my best, but Fed fans are so easy to make fun off..
Djokovic sure knows how to win in bunches. He knocked the door with one slam win between 2007-2010, then goes crazy with 4/5 between AO '11-AO '12. He then "only" wins 2 slams in the next 3 years, before winning 5/6 from AO '15-RG '16 including the 4 in a row. Then he goes 2 years without anything, before pulling off 5/7 slams between WI '18-AO '20.
No. Because RG doesn't exist anymore. There is an indoor slam which is called the "Djokovic Open", and of course Djokovic is going to win it like 4-5 more times now. The organizers are his fanboys, so they decided to do everything to help him. In 2005-2019 there was a slam called RG and Djokovic never beat a decent Nadal there.
I don't think Federer ever faced an opponent in a slam final who was as weak as Murray in RG 2016 final. Only Cilic in Wimbledon 2017 comes close. So stop bashing him for not being able to beat somebody.
So, winning RG without beating Nadal doesn't count? That is so, so, so, funny...
It does count, but only a troll will say that facing a terrible Murray is as difficult as facing peak Nadal.
All those easy straight set Slam finals for all the Big 3 over the years and you call Murray at RG 2016 the weakest of them all.
Respect
Hehe, off course he would... The best would player ever..
Yes, Murray after the first set was one of the worst players I have ever seen in a slam final. It looked like he was simply tanking. A truly pathetic performance. But I know, Djokovic fans can never admit he had some easy draws in his career.All those easy straight set Slam finals for all the Big 3 over the years and you call Murray at RG 2016 the weakest of them all.
There is no bashing. Just a bit of reality that Djokovic's 4 in a row is a greater achievement than any other one year streak Federer and Nadal had.
Any win or it must be 3 sets with baking products? Just asking
Rafa's return to form since 2017 has nothing to do with Novak not being able to win RG since.
It does count? What a relief, I thought for a moment Novak don't even have carieer slam... So,so,sooooo funny...
Of course it did. Nadal being in form took some motivation away from Djokovic. In 2017 for sure. I believe he tanked the match against Thiem that year.
He definitely had easy draws. Even that Murray looked like a titan compared to Nadal last year in Melbourne for example...
I don't think many players would stand a chance against Djokovic in AO 2019 final anyway. Not that it is an excuse for Nadal missing every second shot but at least Djokovic was in great form in his favorite slam. On the other hand in RG Djokovic never looked unbeatable in his career.He definitely had easy draws. Even that Murray looked like a titan compared to Nadal last year in Melbourne for example...
But he wasn't winning that tournament anyway. He was clearly hampered at the time and shut his season down completely a month later.
Right, and the 6-1 6-0 in Rome never happened? During that time Thiem was totally clueless in the matchup against Djokovic.
Legitimately the one great match Novak played all year.
@Gazelle Yes and Federer piling slams against Baghdatis level of players devalues his 20 slams since he barely could win slams when he had prime Djok and Nadal in the way. 4 slams in 10 years
If and if and if and if.
Original response, thanks for the great input.
1. Please have enough sense to realize that not everyone who disagrees with the slavering raving arguments put forth is a Federer fanatic. I most certainly am not, I'm just not on board with the whole cult of personality thing.As usual , Fed fanatic and Djokovic hater here to put forth lies .
But let me tell you a fact .
Fed lost to DEL POTRO at USO 2009 orelse he would have won 4 Slams in a row . He didn't had to face Rafa Nadal back then .
Novak beat Federer and Andy Murray to win his Four Slams in a row ,who are light years ahead of DEL POTRO .
And ofcourse Novak had 2 more chances to win 4 in a row , but was stopped by Rafa in 2012 , Stan in 15 .
Fed missed his opportunities in 2006 and in 2007 - Novak missed his opportunities in 2012 and 2019. They both didn't manage to win 4th in a row in those years. So, they are 2-2 in missed chances. Equal.
One more simpleton incapable of wrapping his head around the fact that this is not an X vs. Y thread. Nice try, though. Do your dick measuring contests REALLY have to invade every single thread and transform them into the same god damn thing?
