Three co GOATs
There is a difference between overall GOAT and surface specific GOAT. Nole or Roger will take the overall title.
Does "very similar with Rafa" mean that Nadal is arguably the GOAT as well?
He said it today live with Stan, Stan asked him why audience supports Fed more when they were playingDid he say this on the IG Live thing with Murray?
The guy with the most slams will take that title of overall GOAT
There is factually incorrect. There is no such guideline that this would be the case.
Yeah, I think you've probably missed the last 15 years or whatever of the "GOAT debate" in the tennis world. It's been about Slam count since Sampras. I didn't make that a thing...it is what it is.
To be honest I would like for everyone to end up with 20 or 21 each, just to see the reactions of each player's diehard fans .
It's an unofficial title discussed mostly online that is very flawed given all the metrics it ignores.
Your surface specific GOAT has at least 2 slams on every surface and your overall GOATS one.There is a difference between overall GOAT and surface specific GOAT. Nole or Roger will take the overall title.
Your surface specific GOAT has at least 2 slams on every surface and your overall GOATS one.
Rafa only dominates the h2h on clay so that isn’t going to put him past Fed. Sorry to tell you that.The guy with the most slams will take that title of overall GOAT....right now, I'm leaning towards Nadal being that guy.
Federer is almost out of the equation. He's technically GOAT now because 20>19>17, but as soon as Rafa ties him, things like the dominating H2H of Rafa in Grand Slams will put Roger into second of his era.
The GOAT race is realistically between Novak and Rafa. Roger's ceiling right now looks to be 2nd best of his era, if somehow Novak just stops winning slams. Coronavirus might have been the best thing to happen for Roger's legacy, because it took probably another slam off table for Novak in Wimbledon.
It's a fair 'indicator', Oct, but it's also very problematic. If Djokovic achieves the goal a lot of people might generally accept it. If Nadal gets it though, with 13 or 14 Roland Garos, that's a bit harder to then call him greatest of all surfaces.
How many would Sampras have won if he'd still had people to chase? By accounts he was still a fine player at 35/36.
How many would Graf have won if she had plodded on? How many would Seles have won? Borg? Laver?
Is Court better than Williams? Many think not. But she does have more slams.
In darts, Phil Taylor has 16 world titles, but most people think Van Gerwen is a naturally better player, even if he won't win half of those world titles. On the rest of the calender though, he is tearing into Phil's records on an annual basis.
Snooker, Hendry has 7 world titles and Ronnie 5, but many still think Ronnie is better.
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It's all just debate at the end of it all. No official titles or definitive answers.
then a guy having 6 slams with no uso title also could be considered as an overall goat candidateYour surface specific GOAT has at least 2 slams on every surface and your overall GOATS one.
Yeah, only in places like TTW is GOAT=whoever won most slams.It's an unofficial title discussed mostly online that is very flawed given all the metrics it ignores.
Yeah, only in places like TTW is GOAT=whoever won most slams.
No, only places like TTW. There is not a single tennis expert or commentator that thinks whoever has the most slams is the GOAT. it’s a ridiculous idea for anyone who knows anything about tennis, given how much the sport has changed and how much the relevance of slams has changed over time.Yeah, and across social media and every other forum, and tennis media and mainstream media.
But "only in places like TTW". Suuuuure!
You repeat that quite often lately.Three co GOATs
True and a valid point. Hand it to Wilander and Lendl who were the first ATG's to go down there and slog it out on lousy grass in December. They even had another court adjacent to the court they played on back then.It wasn’t that long ago that players would regularly skip the AO.
I would trade, of course. As a Nole fan I want him to win as much as possible. You want the same for Fed and rightly so.You repeat that quite often lately.
Question for you: if you could have Djokovic suddenly have 20 slams and Roger only 17, would you trade? Or won't you admit it?
Ronnie might be considered the greatest natural talent ever in Snooker, but until he at least matches Hendry's 7 world titles, Hendry will generally be regarded as the GOAT of his sport. O'Sullivan has repeated this himself many times.
I wish the Big 3 schedule Instagram live as well. Now that would be stunning.
I’m not a Fed fan. I’m a Novak fan.Yeah, I'm not here for this "co-GOAT" nonsense. LOL!
That's a narrative being primarily pushed by Federer fans who were happy to proclaim him as the SOLE GOAT when they thought the slam record would remain his, and his alone .
Now that's going away, several Fed fans are desperately trying to reframe the narrative where somehow Fed can stay GOAT, despite losing the slam record that solidified that claim in the first place.
It's transparent as hell, and only the most naive will buy it. The GOAT race will almost certainly boil down to Rafa and Novak. And as always, there will only be one GOAT when the race is finished
I don't think there's any doubt about Ronnie being the greatest natural talent snooker has ever seen (exhibit A - the fastest 147 ever) and based on recent articles and reactions on Eurosport, there does not seem to be much doubt about the GOAT debate either. I would say numbers matter a bit less in snooker than in tennis as far as these debates go.
I’m not a Fed fan. I’m a Novak fan.
And as good as Nadal is just winning lots and lots of RG doesn’t make you GOAT.
There is no way one player can be GOAT based on how good you are on just one surface.
Nobody denies Nadal’s accomplishments. At all.Novak fans and Fed fans talk the same garbage about Nadal, so no surprise.
Nadal is an all-time great across all surfaces. His non-clay career (7 slams + Olympic Singles Gold) is equivalent to Andre Agassi, one of the all-time greats of the sport we love.
I'm genuinely embarrassed by people who still try to diminish just how staggering Nadal's achievements are OFF-CLAY. When they do that, they unwittingly insult many of the all-time greats of tennis. Combined with his results on clay, regarding Nadal as GOAT if he holds the slam record is an open and shut case.
Nobody denies Nadal’s accomplishments. At all.
But no, winning lots and lots of RGs doesn’t make you GOAT.
Who cares about recent articles and reactions in articles and Eurosport? Snooker has to promote itself, and Ronnie is a still active player near the top of his game, while Hendry is long retired and old news. The comparison will even out when Ronnie is retired and no longer seen as the sport's biggest active star. Then you will see a lot more articles advocating that Hendry HAS to be considered snooker's GOAT because of his world titles record (provided Ronnie doesn't at least match him before he is done).
Yes, he has a great non clay resume. But other players have a much greater non clay resume.You are going in circles and talking nonsense at this point. Winning lots of RGs doesn't diminish Nadal's overall GOAT claim. It enhances it, because he has an all-time resume without clay.
You are stuck repeating talking points from 5 years that no longer stand up to scrutiny or make any sense at all.
Roger currently IS the goat but Novak certainly will surpass him.
Novak is ahead of Rafa even with 2 less slams.The guy with the most slams will take that title of overall GOAT....right now, I'm leaning towards Nadal being that guy.
Federer is almost out of the equation. He's technically GOAT now because 20>19>17, but as soon as Rafa ties him, things like the dominating H2H of Rafa in Grand Slams will put Roger into second of his era.
The GOAT race is realistically between Novak and Rafa. Roger's ceiling right now looks to be 2nd best of his era, if somehow Novak just stops winning slams. Coronavirus might have been the best thing to happen for Roger's legacy, because it took probably another slam off table for Novak in Wimbledon.
Yes, he has a great non clay resume. But other players have a much greater non clay resume.
It never made any sense to think that most slams equals GOAT which is why no tennis expert uses that métric. Only in TTW
Nadal has accomplished a lot but so have Fed and Novak. Nadal has records the other two don’t but that’s true of all of them.
Nadal is the clay GOAT and that’s great. But Fed and Novak are much better at grass and HC.
Novak is ahead of Rafa even with 2 less slams.