Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils)
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This was another point of confusion I asked in another thread. The stiffness rating for my PS 6.1 BLX is 63-64, but feels a ton stiffer(which I love). Guess RA is really pointless when cross comparing different beam widths.
Not trying to recreate the same feeling necessarily, but trying to get better spin. It’s like I’m hitting a deep lob trying to get spin on this racket(no polys for my worn out body)
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mad dog1
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what string and tension are you currently using in the UT? when tension is too high, tight 18x20s will feel very boardy with no pocketing feel making it hard to generate spin.
i play mine @ 46/44 with diadem solstice pro 1.25/volkl v-pro 1.23.
smithie
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So I sent off my third UT to be matched to my other two rackets ready for a post-lockdown return to tennis. Turns out the quality control lottery wasn't kind with me at all as it cannot be matched to my current spec (all three unstrung stock specs below - racket 3 being the offender with a really high stock SW).
Anyone interested in a high stock SW UT to trade for a lower SW one?
Racket 1 - Static weight: 295g / Swingweight: 270 / Balance point: 31.1 cm
Racket 2 - Static weight: 298g / Swingweight: 287 / Balance point: 32.2 cm
Racket 3 - Static weight: 305g / Swingweight: 299 / Balance point: 32 cm
Anyone interested in a high stock SW UT to trade for a lower SW one?
Racket 1 - Static weight: 295g / Swingweight: 270 / Balance point: 31.1 cm
Racket 2 - Static weight: 298g / Swingweight: 287 / Balance point: 32.2 cm
Racket 3 - Static weight: 305g / Swingweight: 299 / Balance point: 32 cm
Pneumated1
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I demoed a UT a few years ago, and my experience aligned with what's been reported over the last few pages of this thread. Really low swing weight and very anemic. I put it down after five minutes.
On a whim, I just purchased a barely used UT off the forum to compare to my TC95 18x20. But my specs don't align with everyone else's in the thread: 309g/300 swing weight but 4pts hl (strung). That balance point is very suspect, but the seller added no weight under the bumper. He even shared the specs sheet from the distributor he got if from. Was supposed to be 315mm, but it's clearly not. Thing is, it feels like all the weight is in the tip. It came strung with Wilson Revolve, but I doubt that string is that heavy.
I wouldn't be surprised to take the bumper off and find lead there, but if so, it came from Wilson that way. I'm gonna put a leather grip on it anyway and a touch of lead at 3/9. It's already healthy feeling/swinging and plush at contact, almost Blade-like. If I like it enough to get a few more, who knows what I'll get. So this is the Wilson experience?
On a whim, I just purchased a barely used UT off the forum to compare to my TC95 18x20. But my specs don't align with everyone else's in the thread: 309g/300 swing weight but 4pts hl (strung). That balance point is very suspect, but the seller added no weight under the bumper. He even shared the specs sheet from the distributor he got if from. Was supposed to be 315mm, but it's clearly not. Thing is, it feels like all the weight is in the tip. It came strung with Wilson Revolve, but I doubt that string is that heavy.
I wouldn't be surprised to take the bumper off and find lead there, but if so, it came from Wilson that way. I'm gonna put a leather grip on it anyway and a touch of lead at 3/9. It's already healthy feeling/swinging and plush at contact, almost Blade-like. If I like it enough to get a few more, who knows what I'll get. So this is the Wilson experience?
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1HBHfanatic
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@Pneumated1
-the w.UT is a platform racquet
-you can modify it in many ways to get a different result/power level etc
-but at the end of the day, you have a 18/20, low power, flexible control racquet
-i like mine best with 10pts HL, a ton of weight on the head, and with multis, or high power setups
-i currently have it strung with YPTP 18g @27lbs (lowest tension ive ever experimented), feels great also
-here are some pics ive posted before
-i could happily play with this stick for a long time
-the w.UT is a platform racquet
-you can modify it in many ways to get a different result/power level etc
-but at the end of the day, you have a 18/20, low power, flexible control racquet
-i like mine best with 10pts HL, a ton of weight on the head, and with multis, or high power setups
-i currently have it strung with YPTP 18g @27lbs (lowest tension ive ever experimented), feels great also
-here are some pics ive posted before
-i could happily play with this stick for a long time
Pneumated1
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@Pneumated1
-the w.UT is a platform racquet
-you can modify it in many ways to get a different result/power level etc
-but at the end of the day, you have a 18/20, low power, flexible control racquet
-i like mine best with 10pts HL, a ton of weight on the head, and with multis, or high power setups
-i currently have it strung with YPTP 18g @27lbs (lowest tension ive ever experimented), feels great also
-here are some pics ive posted before
-i could happily play with this stick for a long time
I'm well aware of its platform nature. I was just expecting a much more head light platform. But, I like a strung weight around 335g and 6pts hl balance, so this is ironically close to ideal and a pretty easy fix. But I've never heard of anyone getting one so head heavy. Just not what I was expecting but sweet frame and more gutsy than most stock it would appear.
Edit: Just realized what you did there, @1HBHfanatic, with the lead in the hoop. You alternated the sides? I always liked spreading the lead out on these anemic, classic frames. I did something similar with my 4D 300 Tours when I hit those, except I started at 12 and ended at 4/8 on that frame, but they all have differing needs.
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Gee
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If yours is 309 grams and 4 pts HL with a 300 SW I guess you might be lucky. You only would need to put a leather grip with overgrip on it in order to achieve a 6 (or 7) pts balance. Besides that you can add lead in the hoop if you need more power if possible.
Two of my (matched by the reseller) UTs came in with a 280 SW (unstrung). So I had to add a lot of weight in order to achieve a nice setup.
Curious about your experiences!
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asifallasleep
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Machine specs mean nothing when compared to real world feedback. They are just a baseline, a starting point......the same RA will feel not so stiff to one person and insanely stiff to another, when both are using the exact same frame. Frames are an individual thing.
If your topspin looks like a deep lob: to fix this your swing would have to be looser, more violent, and at a more acute upward swing path with contact farther out in front. A good reference would be to swing like Nadal with your UT. Impart high rpms on the ball while it's on the rise.
Pneumated1
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So I sent off my third UT to be matched to my other two rackets ready for a post-lockdown return to tennis. Turns out the quality control lottery wasn't kind with me at all as it cannot be matched to my current spec (all three unstrung stock specs below - racket 3 being the offender with a really high stock SW).
Anyone interested in a high stock SW UT to trade for a lower SW one?
Racket 1 - Static weight: 295g / Swingweight: 270 / Balance point: 31.1 cm
Racket 2 - Static weight: 298g / Swingweight: 287 / Balance point: 32.2 cm
Racket 3 - Static weight: 305g / Swingweight: 299 / Balance point: 32 cm
I might be interested in a purchase, but I won't know until the weekend or early next week. Looks like your 'offender' almost matches the specs of mine. I thought I got an anomaly, but anomaly seems to be a rule with Wilson. They keep it interesting by the looks of your list.
Pneumated1
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I think I am lucky. I was expecting something more in line with yours. The demo that I got a few years ago must have been low swing weight and very head light because it was totally lifeless. My son and I both hit if five minutes and threw it back in the box. It's as everyone says; weight transforms this stick, and mine came nearly transformed. I just need to add a little at 3/9 and probably 7-10g of counterweight.
It's clearly more forgiving than my TC95 18x20s, but I like the feel of both (cul-de-sac comparison only) with the edge to the Angell. I'm not one to hit multiple frames, but there's room for both in my bag. I'll let you know once I get it dialed in and on the court.
I will say, though, that I never realized how comfortably firm the TC95 is. Switching between the two, the Angell was rock solid yet more muted than the UT, which had more direct feel and feedback. The Angell has good feel but zero vibration. Man they're both good!
Gee
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Exactly my experience with both frames too!
It’s was hyperbole and an attempt at humor. I’ll stick to my day job.
In the process of restringing it at 48lbs and will try again. I’ll report back likely on Friday if I don’t melt due to the heatwave
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Just a little curious why there's so much talk about this stick being anemic. Where is the power going? I haven't had a chance to play with the UT yet but I'm genuinely curious. The UT is 63 RA stiffness and 11.6 oz strung. There are plenty of racquets with similar stiffness as well as similar weights without people complaining about power. Examples being Prince Textreme Tour 310, Phantoms, Beast 98, Wilson Blade, Radical, Pro Tour 2.0, VCP97 HD, etc. Just wondering what makes the UT so unique.
Is it less powerful than a Redondo 98? I own one and can see why some can perceive it as a lower powered frame.
Is it less powerful than a Redondo 98? I own one and can see why some can perceive it as a lower powered frame.
mad dog1
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Just like you can’t determine the health of a business by only looking at the income statement, when it comes to racquets, RA and static weight don’t tell the whole story. You also have to look at swingweight. The stock swingweight of the racquets you mentioned are all higher than the stock SW of the UT.
put another way. You have 2 10# sledgehammers. One has the majority of the weight at the top while the other has the majority of the weight at the bottom. Which one will have more power when you swing it to knock down a brick wall?
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The strung swingweight for the UT is listed at 319. That doesn't seem too far from the mid 320s that most of these other racquets are specced at. Seems like that difference can be overcome with an overgrip?
Pneumated1
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Wilson QC is all over the place. There are users on this page reporting unstrung swing weights at 270-285, that's 300-315 strung. Mine, and I've learned that I'm not alone, came in at 300 (330 strung). I demoed a UT with a swing weight (just guessing) around 310 strung, and it was anemic. The frame I purchased is anything but. It's what you get with Wilson.
djNEiGht
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in stock form, the Redondo MP will hit a heavier ball and plow through will be better. I'm still trying to find my sweet spot with lead on the WUT. I hope to get it stable and have the plow I need...but not too weighed down that I can't play with it on a 2nd/3rd set. Fitness....yes...I know I need to work on it.
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Gee
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Good hitting!
The Ultra Pro/Ultra Tour really comes alive with more weight and thin strings.
I use a hybrid setup with Head RIP Control 1.20 mm/ MSV CoFocus 1.18 mm at 22/20 kg tension.
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smithie
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I can recommend Tourna Big Hitter Silver 7 Tour. After a week playing with it I bought a reel of it, cut out the other strings and strung all my remaining rackets with it. The crips nature really compliments the flex in the racket I found. It might not be to everyones liking but its been the best string I've tried.I didn't think it would be as nice as it was
Very keen on breaking current strings and trying something different to see its fullest potential - i strung hybrid but dont actually ever use hybrid, not my best setup
Pneumated1
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So I got to hit the UT against my Angell TC95 18x20s. Just a reminder that my UT comes in 5g over specs and pushing 330sw (strung), so all I did was replace the grip with leather/overgrip to get a 7pts hl balance. I started off with the Angells and switched over to the UT after 15-20 minutes, and I couldn't put it down. If there's a racquet with better feel out there, I don't know about it. It's such a plush yet responsive frame and a pure confidence builder. Maybe it's just because mine is a little weighty, but the power/control mix was ideal for me. I'm talking near perfect. Nothing anemic in the setup of this one, and the frame is point and shoot. It does exactly what you ask it to do.
I'd like a gram or two at 3/9, but I wouldn't change much. Strung it with the string I had remaining: Gosen 18 mains / V-Star 18 crosses @52/50. But I don't get the feeling that this frame is string sensitive at all. In fact, it probably confirmed that a box beam is more suited to my game. This is what I was hoping the Angell TC97 would be, but it wasn't even close, imo. I love my D-beam Angell TC95 18x20s, but there are only gains to be had with the UT. I'm sold ... and surprised.
Gee
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Really glad to hear that you like the UT (and even prefer over the TC95),... I'm really happy for you!
Indeed you are in luck with a exemple with such a swingweight in stock condition that doesn't need much customization.
I played with the TC97 18x20 for a little more than one year as I was looking for a slightly more forgiving frame but I wasn't fond of the firmer/stiffer feel either.
I also always thought the Ultra Tour is what the TC97 18x20 actually should be.
Pneumated1
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Glad it’s working out for you!
Played some dubs with @djNEiGht and his buds yesterday morning. When it’s time to play sets, my modded UTs are always what I reach for.
Thanks! And I can see why it would be your go-to
Very honest frame.Thanks, my friend. I really don't want to prefer it over the TC95, but I couldn't put the UT down. My Angells sat against the fence like they were neglected. I felt bad, lol.
I had a year-long stint with a K-Blade once, but other than that, I've only ever hit box beams. But the UT is probably the best box beam I've ever hit. When the specs are right, there's a balance with this frame that very few possess. And the demo that I hit a few years ago didn't have it!
Btw, does the K7 Lime have the 'D' or box beam? And how does its power level compare to the UT? If it's very muted and more controlled, I'm not interested in the least. Most likely ready to move on.
Gee
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I am not sure about the beam of the K7 Lime but I think it is a bit more boxy than the TC95 line. However the TC97 is more like the UT (with a longer Y-shape like Prestiges).Thanks! And I can see why it would be your go-to
Thanks, my friend. I really don't want to prefer it over the TC95, but I couldn't put the UT down. My Angells sat against the fence like they were neglected. I felt bad, lol.
I had a year-long stint with a K-Blade once, but other than that, I've only ever hit box beams. But the UT is probably the best box beam I've ever hit. When the specs are right, there's a balance with this frame that very few possess. And the demo that I hit a few years ago didn't have it!
Btw, does the K7 Lime have the 'D' or box beam? And how does its power level compare to the UT? If it's very muted and more controlled, I'm not interested in the least. Most likely ready to move on.
K7 Lime has a much more muted feel than the UT and TC95 but it is more forgiven than the TC95 18m. In stock condition it felt very nimble to me (as I'm used to much heavier frames). After I customized it to my desired specs it played very comfortable with enough power but only a bit too muted to my taste. I much prefer the more crisper response and better feel of the ball with the TC95 and UT.
So I guess you better skip this one and keep hitting with the UT!
djNEiGht
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I should have pulled the WUT out of the bag so we would be like the Bryan Brothers...except no chest bumps during Covid19Glad it’s working out for you!
Played some dubs with @djNEiGht and his buds yesterday morning. When it’s time to play sets, my modded UTs are always what I reach for.
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mad dog1
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It’s not a bad string but no need to lose any sleep if you can’t get it over there. Plenty of other good and affordable string options IME.
Pneumated1
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I am not sure about the beam of the K7 Lime but I think it is a bit more boxy than the TC95 line. However the TC97 is more like the UT (with a longer Y-shape like Prestiges).
K7 Lime has a much more muted feel than the UT and TC95 but it is more forgiven than the TC95 18m. In stock condition it felt very nimble to me (as I'm used to much heavier frames). After I customized it to my desired specs it played very comfortable with enough power but only a bit too muted to my taste. I much prefer the more crisper response and better feel of the ball with the TC95 and UT.
So I guess you better skip this one and keep hitting with the UT!
I think you're right! I'm looking to pick up a few UTs and possibly match my specs; that's the challenge, but I spend way too much time modding frames, so it's not a problem. But now, and just to put all doubts and curiosity to bed, I have to hit the PK KI Q+ Tour Pro 315 (and maybe the Tour 300) just to make sure I'm not missing out on any fun while I'm in this mode because it doesn't happen too often for me. The K7 has been marked off, though
1HBHfanatic
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@Pneumated1
-keep your eyes peeled for sales
-with the v3 release of the ultras, the unsold v2s are getting pushed aside and onsale soon
-good time to pick some UTs
-keep your eyes peeled for sales
-with the v3 release of the ultras, the unsold v2s are getting pushed aside and onsale soon
-good time to pick some UTs
mad dog1
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The v2s have been on sale for awhile now.
1HBHfanatic
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The v2s have been on sale for awhile now.
-oops, i guess so
-i just did inventory on the stuff at my job/shop, guess im a bit late to the party, haaa
Pneumated1
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I've located a few and think I have my specs matched pretty close, but yes, now is the time
I have to say that I like the new paint job (probably in the minority on that), but it's just paint and definitely not worth $150 more for the same frame.Sad to say, the racket just isn't for me. The racket itself feels fine(after modifications), but moving to an 18x20 from a 16x19 pattern is just too much of an ask for me. Since I have one in the bag, I'll pull it out at a later time, but my search goes on, and this time, I'll stick to 16x19 patterns.
I even recorded videos to see the difference, and the trajectory is stark in its difference, using the same string(with a 5 lbs difference, as recommended by many). Maybe its the extremely dense pattern, maybe its something else.
I can see this being a brilliant racket for those who are used to the 18x20 pattern though. It really is a joy to hit on normal strokes, but low balls are extremely hard to brush up on.
I even recorded videos to see the difference, and the trajectory is stark in its difference, using the same string(with a 5 lbs difference, as recommended by many). Maybe its the extremely dense pattern, maybe its something else.
I can see this being a brilliant racket for those who are used to the 18x20 pattern though. It really is a joy to hit on normal strokes, but low balls are extremely hard to brush up on.
smithie
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By the looks of your specs it shouldn't be too difficult to match your specs as you go on the higher side of SW. Do you have a local tennis store which can match for you?I think you're right! I'm looking to pick up a few UTs and possibly match my specs; that's the challenge, but I spend way too much time modding frames, so it's not a problem. But now, and just to put all doubts and curiosity to bed, I have to hit the PK KI Q+ Tour Pro 315 (and maybe the Tour 300) just to make sure I'm not missing out on any fun while I'm in this mode because it doesn't happen too often for me. The K7 has been marked off, though
smithie
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If it helps, other strings which I thought worked well were:
Full Poly: Alu Power, Solinco Hyper-G 1.20 and Signum Pro X-perience 1.18.
Gut/Poly hybrid: VS/YPTP 1.25 & 1.20, VS/YPTF 1.25&1.20 & VS/Max power 1.20
Essentially UT's don't seem to be very string sensitive. Although the only string which I could never gel with was Head Velocity either in a full bed or hybird.
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1HBHfanatic
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I've located a few and think I have my specs matched pretty close, but yes, now is the time
-im with you here, the paintjob of the v3 is nice
; the blue andgray work well-wilson is doing a smart thing by not releasing it, if it does not sell, no need to kill the line over it
-i do hope the come up with a 18/20 w.clash,, but thats more.talk for another thread
1HBHfanatic
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-power strings/setups have worked for me with this stick
-i tried them all, except for nat.gut/kevlar
-my current favorite is 18g polys at low/low tensions
-i have used multis and syn.gut at low 50s, felt great
-serve/volley and slices are my favorite shots with this frame
-topspin shots is my least favorite, its too tight a pattern to get anywhere close to a 16/19 ball-jump from it
-deep flat strokes are winning combos with this frame, IMO
-i tried them all, except for nat.gut/kevlar
-my current favorite is 18g polys at low/low tensions
-i have used multis and syn.gut at low 50s, felt great
-serve/volley and slices are my favorite shots with this frame
-topspin shots is my least favorite, its too tight a pattern to get anywhere close to a 16/19 ball-jump from it
-deep flat strokes are winning combos with this frame, IMO
Pneumated1
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I usually do it myself, but in this case, I was able to locate the other two frames that my seller sent back, which were matched pretty close. Very fortunate to be able to do so and very appreciative of the seller sharing that information with me. It has its moments, but this can be a very good forum
-im with you here, the paintjob of the v3 is nice
-wilson is doing a smart thing by not releasing it, if it does not sell, no need to kill the line over it
-i do hope the come up with a 18/20 w.clash,, but thats more.talk for another thread
Hope you're right. I honestly hadn't considered it from that angle: that they're not mass distributing the frame so they can keep the line going without incurring losses. But I thought this line was pretty popular. I guess I'm just glad they can be got somewhere.
You bring up the Clash with an 18x20, for which I have no point of reference. However, my son hits the VCORE 98 305, and if they made a 16x20 or 18x20 of that frame, it would be the perfect modern players racquet, imo. Don't know why I felt the need to bring that up, but it had to be said.
1HBHfanatic
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-the w.ultra.tour while is a good h19 pro stock racquet, it was too much for most without modifications,
-the w.UT racquet did not sell well, i guess most people want a ,"stock frame" that plays like a dream, that's hard to find
-the ultra line however, has a place in the wall, so it does move at the shops
-i agree, 16/20 yonex is a must imo
-check out the y.vcore.HD (18/20)
Classic-TXP-IG MID
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Glad to hear you liked it. It does have a very good feel and does exactly what you ask of it. Like you said the weighting has to be right (and yours was almost there, which is lucky), but it's not too hard to mod. I definitely prefer its feel to the TC97 18x20 and the TC95 (which I like but UT is still better). What I'm not sure about is the weight-of-shot when compared to the TC95 18x20. For that reason, I have both in the bag.
mad dog1
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The WUT is so good when you get the racquet modded right for you. The bolded sentence is what I love about it. Never any surprises. No “wth” balls. You know where the ball is going to land as soon as the ball leaves the strings.Glad to hear you liked it. It does have a very good feel and does exactly what you ask of it. Like you said the weighting has to be right (and yours was almost there, which is lucky), but it's not too hard to mod. I definitely prefer its feel to the TC97 18x20 and the TC95 (which I like but UT is still better). What I'm not sure about is the weight-of-shot when compared to the TC95 18x20. For that reason, I have both in the bag.
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Glad to hear you liked it. It does have a very good feel and does exactly what you ask of it. Like you said the weighting has to be right (and yours was almost there, which is lucky), but it's not too hard to mod. I definitely prefer its feel to the TC97 18x20 and the TC95 (which I like but UT is still better). What I'm not sure about is the weight-of-shot when compared to the TC95 18x20. For that reason, I have both in the bag.
That's a fair point. Although the UT has a better feel and is pinpoint, the Angell I think hits a meaner ball than the user perceives. I base that on comments I've received across the net. The TC95 18x20 is still laser precise, but the UT takes it to another level. There's just something confidence inspiring about a frame like the UT that provides adequate power with no surprises. And it's slightly more forgiving, which is all I really wanted compared to the TC95.
And while I'm not one to carry multiple frames, I'm with you in keeping both in my bag: 3 UTs and a pair of TC95 18x20s. Besides, Paul may come through with that TC98 'D' beam yet
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That's a fair point. Although the UT has a better feel and is pinpoint, the Angell I think hits a meaner ball than the user perceives. I base that on comments I've received across the net. The TC95 18x20 is still laser precise, but the UT takes it to another level. There's just something confidence inspiring about a frame like the UT that provides adequate power with no surprises. And it's slightly more forgiving, which is all I really wanted compared to the TC95.
And while I'm not one to carry multiple frames, I'm with you in keeping both in my bag: 3 UTs and a pair of TC95 18x20s. Besides, Paul may come through with that TC98 'D' beam yet
Completely agree about your assessment of both racquets. Now we just have to cross our fingers about the TC98 and hope that it's what we are all dreaming about (including the hoped-for string patterns - 8 Mains 16x19; or a 16x20).
