How does The Nadal have a 9-6 record in slams vs Djokovic?
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PerilousPear
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Because he's better at RG than Djokovic
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No doubt the clay skew. The US Open h2h is impressive though.
125downthemiddle
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Combination of being a great big match player and more meetings at RG than other 3 slams (although credit to Rafa for 2 to 1 lead at USO). Obviously if there were an equal number of meetings at each of the 4 slams, the lead would not be 9 to 6. I would guess it would be 8 to 7 either way.
The 2 are quite even across the 4 slams, each has 1 where they are better and have won more H2H, but fans argue the peak level of their favorite is better than the other and the H2H lead is due to luck or timing (USO and WIM where the lead is 2 to 1 in both cases) and one where they are dominant over the the other (AO vs RG). Djokovic fans could argue with 3 meetings a piece at the closer slams, then it is obvious that 7 meetings vs 2 at the best slam for each is unfair. But Rafa fans could argue WIM and USO are a wash and it is obvious Rafa is more dominant at RG than Novak is at AO.
Close one imo if adjusted for the RG skew, but Nadal does lead in actual matches that occurred so credit to him
The 2 are quite even across the 4 slams, each has 1 where they are better and have won more H2H, but fans argue the peak level of their favorite is better than the other and the H2H lead is due to luck or timing (USO and WIM where the lead is 2 to 1 in both cases) and one where they are dominant over the the other (AO vs RG). Djokovic fans could argue with 3 meetings a piece at the closer slams, then it is obvious that 7 meetings vs 2 at the best slam for each is unfair. But Rafa fans could argue WIM and USO are a wash and it is obvious Rafa is more dominant at RG than Novak is at AO.
Close one imo if adjusted for the RG skew, but Nadal does lead in actual matches that occurred so credit to him
Third Serve
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Distribution:
AO: 2 matches (2-0)
RG: 7 matches (1-6)
W: 3 matches (2-1)
USO: 3 matches (1-2)
Part of it is because Nadal is a very good player but you have to admit that the extra RG matches (two of which being in 2006-2007) skew it a bit.
AO: 2 matches (2-0)
RG: 7 matches (1-6)
W: 3 matches (2-1)
USO: 3 matches (1-2)
Part of it is because Nadal is a very good player but you have to admit that the extra RG matches (two of which being in 2006-2007) skew it a bit.
AnOctorokForDinner
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All of this except goat big match player (peat) and majoring in majors (leads mugsters count too no?)
NatF
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Djokovic leads at YEC? Nadal at slams and masters? Djokovic in minor leagues?
Breakpointerer
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By winning 9 matches and losing 6
Serious answer is combination of the first two I think.
Serious answer is combination of the first two I think.
The Blond Blur
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TheGhostOfAgassi
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Good point
Lleytonstation
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Forced.
The Blond Blur
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Lleytonstation
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The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
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You ain't gonna get me again
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How could someone vote "better player"? It simply makes no sense.
Lleytonstation
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Lleytonstation
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Meaning Rafa was the better player that day and is why he won?
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That's not how I read it.
TTMR
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How's he not the better player? He's won more slams and has a better slam record against him. Yeah, it's not a huge gap, but Nadal is still obviously the better player at this point.
Lleytonstation
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The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
tennis_pro
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Tons of pre 2011 matches + FO
TTMR
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It's not Nadal's fault Djokovic didn't decide to take his career seriously until age 24.
Greatest big match player of his era. Maybe of all time.
Yes, Nadal is supreme on clay, but Djokovic was the 2nd best clay player in the world for many years. And he had more than a few victories on clay in Best Of 3 over Nadal. He should never have lost 6 times to Nadal at Roland Garros with his capability on clay.
Add to the fact that Nadal is the better slow hardcourt player (ie the US Open surface, which has been slow for the last decade) so he's been able to get two finals victories at the US Open over Djokovic, when people presume Djokovic should waste him on every hardcourt. Well, not if the hardcourt is slow.
Yes, Nadal is supreme on clay, but Djokovic was the 2nd best clay player in the world for many years. And he had more than a few victories on clay in Best Of 3 over Nadal. He should never have lost 6 times to Nadal at Roland Garros with his capability on clay.
Add to the fact that Nadal is the better slow hardcourt player (ie the US Open surface, which has been slow for the last decade) so he's been able to get two finals victories at the US Open over Djokovic, when people presume Djokovic should waste him on every hardcourt. Well, not if the hardcourt is slow.
RS
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Djokovic USO 11 > Nadal USO 2010.
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RS
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Djokovic of 2011 is not losing to Nadal on a BO5 HC. Nadal just moonballs to the Fed BH and it breaks down with Djoker it does not work.
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Poisoned Slice
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You said "that day". It doesn't say "that day", it's making the claim that Rafael Nadal is the superior tennis player. Makes no sense. I'm gonna watch the rest of the Champions League game then come back to this.
tennis_pro
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That is the age where most players peak, I don't see what's so weird about that.
Nadal has beaten Djokovic a grand total of 1 time in a Slam outside of the FO in the last 10 years. That's another fact.
StrongRule
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If this guy is a Nadal fan then RF-18 is a Federer fan.
By only playing him twice in the past 6 years.
Btw Djok won all three meetings (FO and Wimbledon)
The Nadal hasnt beaten djok at a GS or WTF in over 6 years
RS
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It was a joke. People used to say Nadal only moonballs so i was mocking it.
Read above. And your more of a Federer fan than any other player actually.
Lleytonstation
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If one player is 9-6 against another, it means they are the better player on "that day" more often. This also means they are the better player overall in slams.
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vex
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Which actually makes it worse for Nadal's numbers. He only managed to make it to the Djokovic match 5 times depsite 2 HC slams a year. Meanwhile Djoker made it to 7 showdowns with Rafa at RG.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Two times outside of clay at all, remember.
tennis_pro
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And both times Djokovic had 5-setters in the SF while Nadal played Gasquet and Youzhny.
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Djokovic and Nadal both have winning records against Fed in slams. Is Fed not the greatest? And it doesn't say "better player overall in slams" it says "better player". There was an option for "GOAT big match player", which as of right now you did not select. Djokovic is
There is also a "majoring in majors" option.
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Where does that play a part in there h2h? Has Djokovic lost to Nadal under those circumstances for the 3 non-RG losses?
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