Do you think the reaction to this tournament would have been the same if Djokovic and Nadal had not participated and Federer did?

BrokenGears · Sep 5, 2020

Seriously, the amount of moaning and groaning about Djokovic is reaching astronomical levels. I sincerely doubt it would have been the same if roles were reversed.

There's a certain level of it that I can stand and was prepared for, but the amount of complaining has seemed to reach a fever pitch

Jonesy · Sep 5, 2020

It will only get worse. They are becoming amoebas of hate.

Yugram · Sep 5, 2020

It wouldn’t be the same. We have a fairly recent example of USO 2017 and AO 2018. Both tournaments mostly sucked and both winners had easy draws with 1 difficult opponent. In fact, Federer’s AO 2018 draw was even more laughable, as Del Potro is better player than Cilic and Anderson, unlike injured Chung, is no joke either, as proved by Wimbledon 2018.

Now tell me which one is being mentioned more often?

Right...

TheAssassin · Sep 5, 2020

We'd have handwringerers who sweat in match threads over Federer's physical condition as his first service game goes to 30-30 against some qualifier or lucky loser. They would then proceed to shout "Be21eve!" in this section after the match (which Fed wins easily, to nobody's surprise).

Lleytonstation · Sep 5, 2020

Ask yourself this.

FO has been the most straightforward and "set in stone" tourney for a long time. But why don't we hear as much complaints about Rafa?

BrokenGears · Sep 5, 2020

TheAssassin said:
We'd have handwringerers who sweat in match threads over Federer's physical condition as his first service game goes to 30-30 against some qualifier or lucky loser. They would then proceed to shout "Be21eve!" in this section after the match (which Fed wins easily, to nobody's surprise).

We'd probably have several threads praising Goaterer's longevity and how much he's suffered while being a 78-year old man with a cane

Im(moral) Winner · Sep 5, 2020

Sure just the roles would be reversed
Of course Fed wouldn’t be as big of a lock as Nole so Fed fans would be more reserved

Tshooter · Sep 5, 2020

FEDAL or no FEDAL no one is stopping Berrettini and PCB from making the finals.

beard · Sep 5, 2020

BrokenGears said:
Seriously, the amount of moaning and groaning about Djokovic is reaching astronomical levels. I sincerely doubt it would have been the same if roles were reversed.

There's a certain level of it that I can stand and was prepared for, but the amount of complaining has seemed to reach a fever pitch

Off course it wouldn't be the same, as Novak's fans showed at some 17/18 slams... They are big gentlemen compared to this hordes of you know who...

But, who cares, this whining is so enjoyable for me... Just join in enjoy

beard · Sep 5, 2020

Im(moral) Winner said:
Sure just the roles would be reversed
Of course Fed wouldn’t be as big of a lock as Nole so Fed fans would be more reserved

And Novak's fans are not reserved now? I don't know which Novak's fans are glowing and write here win is done deal... It's all Fedal fans talking that...

NoleFam · Sep 5, 2020

It would be night and day, but we all know that. At least the tennis has been entertaining. Can anyone name a great and memorable match from this tournament 3 years ago? I think that was the year of Thiem's meltdown to Del Potro so I remember that (I don't remember such strong reactions of that choke like Tsitsipas generated last night) and I remember Nadal won. Other than that, it was a forgettable tournament. Never heard all these complaints then although multiple top players skipped it.

beard · Sep 5, 2020

Lleytonstation said:
Ask yourself this.

FO has been the most straightforward and "set in stone" tourney for a long time. But why don't we hear as much complaints about Rafa?

But, we actually do...

For years and years, in numerous posts and threads.... Mostly from Fed fans... Come on man...

Lleytonstation · Sep 5, 2020

beard said:
And Novak's fans are not reserved now? I don't know which Novak's fans are glowing and write here win is done deal... It's all Fedal fans talking that...

I will give you that. I don't see many Djoker fans rubbing it in or assuming a win. If anything, just a bit nervous.

beard · Sep 5, 2020

Lleytonstation said:
I will give you that. I don't see many Djoker fans rubbing it in or assuming a win. If anything, just a bit nervous.

Off course, that's us Novak's fans, on every fcn tournament, even ao...

Lleytonstation · Sep 5, 2020

beard said:
But, we actually do...
For years and years, in numerous posts and threads.... Mostly from Fed fans... Come on man...

Not like this. You also have to remember, unlike all other tourneys, it is 2 fan bases rooting against one since neither Fed or Rafa are playing. To be expected.

Deleted member 774223 · Sep 5, 2020

Fans are biased. Federer has more fans. News at eleven.

Yugram · Sep 5, 2020

Tshooter said:
FEDAL or no FEDAL no one is stopping Berrettini and PCB from making the finals.

That’s the way!

AnOctorokForDinner · Sep 5, 2020

Fedr of course deserves handwringy praise for winning any match at this age, but that wouldn't cancel the muggishness of the tournament. AO '18 was entirely bleh, I don't contest that.

beard · Sep 5, 2020

Lleytonstation said:
Not like this. You also have to remember, unlike all other tourneys, it is 2 fan bases rooting against one since neither Fed or Rafa are playing. To be expected.

I don't know... There is nothing being more bashed compared to Nadal FO accomplishments, and clay overalls...

Lleytonstation · Sep 5, 2020

beard said:
I don't know... There is nothing being more bashed compared to Nadal FO accomplishments, and clay overalls...

I am excited for clay season. As much as I don't like to say it. I am scared Djoker might have a great shot there too.

But for me, if Med makes the final, this USO win is a good one for whoever wins it.

Third Serve · Sep 5, 2020

Probably would be close to being the same, except that Fed's fanbase is quite bigger than the other two which would lead to more people trolling like you see here. Either way, it's pretty annoying and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like Djokovic that much. I see four threads on the top page dedicated to bashing this current edition of the US Open. That's a bit excessive, no?

You'd think that after six months without any tennis people would be a lot more grateful that an actual Slam is taking place.

clout · Sep 5, 2020

2017 USO with Rafa and 2017 WI/2018 AO with Fed were pretty much like what we’re seeing with Novak right now where it’s their tourney to lose

maratha_warrior · Sep 5, 2020

Personally , I used to thing fans on this page are genuine tennis fans and not just glory hunters . But that's not the case.

After six months of ban , we are finally getting to watch some live tennis and the tournament and players are trying their best to make it competitive , both at Cincy and USO .

Usual suspects are just crying because Djokovic is in form and might win this slam .
Tournament is not bad to be honest , USO 2016 to 2019 were similar or worse in earlier rounds , It's the semis and Finals which count . Also Djoker is no lock for this slam . It's a fast court and there are players who can beat him here .

If thiem or Medvedev reach finals , expect these Criticisers to passionately pray and shout for a Thiem and Med Win .

Novak fans need to ignore those who loved WB 2017 , USO17 , AO 18 but are finding this tournament boring lol hahaha

ND-13 · Sep 5, 2020

I think some folks expected the tennis landscape to change after the pandemic. They expected Djokovic to be rusty and the next gen to shine. They are the one in heavy disappointment. They should know the gulf in talent that exists.

That said, this USO is different with 2 of the big 3 not playing. Additionally Stan withdrew. Stan and Rafa have won 3 of the last 4 USO editions and that is a big loss.

maratha_warrior · Sep 5, 2020

ND-13 said:
I think some folks expected the tennis landscape to change after the pandemic. They expected Djokovic to be rusty and the next gen to shine. They are the one in heavy disappointment. They should know the gulf in talent that exists.

That said, this USO is different with 2 of the big 3 not playing. Additionally Stan withdrew. Stan and Rafa have won 3 of the last 4 USO editions and that is a big loss.

Don't worry . Federer will recover from injury and will play 2021 . I think he has a shot at AO and WB next year , especially if he avoids Djoker ..

zipplock · Sep 5, 2020

BrokenGears said:
Seriously, the amount of moaning and groaning about Djokovic is reaching astronomical levels. I sincerely doubt it would have been the same if roles were reversed.

There's a certain level of it that I can stand and was prepared for, but the amount of complaining has seemed to reach a fever pitch

It would have been worse ...

tennis tom · Sep 5, 2020

If RFed was playing Anna Wintour editor of Vogue would be in his box as fashion coach.

Bartelby · Sep 5, 2020

With Anna on your side is it any wonder that he gets the lion's share of endorsements.

tennis tom said:
If RFed was playing Anna Wintour editor of Vogue would be in his box as fashion coach.

Deleted member 771911 · Sep 5, 2020

Of course not.
The tournament would totally play on Federer's beloved status. His fans and casuals would have been in raptures.
Djokovic will never have the same affection and influence. It doesn't help he seems to keep putting his foot in it. Life is unfair. It's time to get over it.

Hood_Man · Sep 5, 2020

I won't speak for other Fed fans but I'm a bit glad the likes of him, Nadal, Wawrinka etc aren't playing. It's been a nice change to see the draw dominated by youngsters this year, and I hope that we finally get to see a real changing of the guard next year.

Of course I was thrilled when Roger won Wimbledon 3 years ago, but I won't deny the tournament (and that year's FO and USO) weren't some of the dullest tournaments in recent years. The difference though is those tournaments weren't bereft of the big three from the start, so there was at least some expectation in the early rounds.

I think you're all being naive if you think the complaining that's happened over the past week wouldn't have happened if it were Federer or Nadal instead of Djokovic showing up on their lonesome. The FO especially gets written off as a done deal every year, before a single ball is even struck in most cases.

Lastly (because I can't resist a dig), if Djokovic wasn't such a grumpy, boring metronome yelling at his box every time he doesn't get his way, he might one day be as popular as Fedal

EllieK · Sep 5, 2020

We would be more likely to see a new slam winner if only Fed was there. He hasn’t been able to beat lower level players with any consistency there. I haven’t seen all of the guys play this year, but I haven’t seen anyone I think will realistically beat Djokovic.

ND-13 · Sep 5, 2020

maratha_warrior said:
Don't worry . Federer will recover from injury and will play 2021 . I think he has a shot at AO and WB next year , especially if he avoids Djoker ..

We want all of the Big 3 to play or the next gen to raise their level.

It is more entertaining when Djokovic wins a tough AO12 or Wimb 19

conjoshruk · Sep 5, 2020

BrokenGears said:
Seriously, the amount of moaning and groaning about Djokovic is reaching astronomical levels. I sincerely doubt it would have been the same if roles were reversed.

There's a certain level of it that I can stand and was prepared for, but the amount of complaining has seemed to reach a fever pitch

I would say it would be very different. As a Djokovic fan, I can see where some of this hate comes from considering the whole adria tourt thing, and what Djokovic has done recently. But many people act like Fed is such a saint and can do no wrong. Very annoying! I can imagine if Fed was participating and Djokovic wasn't, he would get heat for being weak and arrogant, etc.

jm1980 · Sep 5, 2020

BrokenGears said:
Seriously, the amount of moaning and groaning about Djokovic is reaching astronomical levels. I sincerely doubt it would have been the same if roles were reversed.

There's a certain level of it that I can stand and was prepared for, but the amount of complaining has seemed to reach a fever pitch

The women's draw is significantly more depleted, yet we don't hear whining over it

Strange coincidence, methinks

metsman · Sep 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
The women's draw is significantly more depleted, yet we don't hear whining over it

Strange coincidence, methinks

right, noted WTA forum that this is.

Third Serve · Sep 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
The women's draw is significantly more depleted, yet we don't hear whining over it

Strange coincidence, methinks

This forum rarely talks about the WTA so I'm not too surprised.

PeoplesChamp · Sep 5, 2020

Role reversal in this instance is not equal. The typical ignoring of Fed's age and decline by Djokovic fans.

Same sheet, different day.

jm1980 · Sep 5, 2020

PeoplesChamp said:
Role reversal in this instance is not equal. The typical ignoring of Fed's age and decline by Djokovic fans.

Same sheet, different day.

What difference does Fed's age and decline makes here?

If anything this whole situation is highly unfavorable to Novak, because he is being denied chances to increase his records while he is still somewhat close to his prime. Imagine if most of the season in 2006 had been cancelled, Fed's record book would look very different.

metsman · Sep 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
What difference does Fed's age and decline makes here?

If anything this whole situation is highly unfavorable to Novak, because he is being denied chances to increase his records while he is still somewhat close to his prime. Imagine if most of the season in 2006 had been cancelled, Fed's record book would look very different.

lol this is like half of 2014 getting cancelled for Fed, and then having to beat a bunch of mugs for the other 2 majors, cmon man.

Third Serve · Sep 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
What difference does Fed's age and decline makes here?

If anything this whole situation is highly unfavorable to Novak, because he is being denied chances to increase his records while he is still somewhat close to his prime. Imagine if most of the season in 2006 had been cancelled, Fed's record book would look very different.

Not an apt comparison given 2006 was Fed's peak season and 2020 Djokovic is nowhere near his 2011 and 2015 versions. Better comparison would be 2014 Fed dealing with a COVID season.

AnOctorokForDinner · Sep 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
What difference does Fed's age and decline makes here?

If anything this whole situation is highly unfavorable to Novak, because he is being denied chances to increase his records while he is still somewhat close to his prime. Imagine if most of the season in 2006 had been cancelled, Fed's record book would look very different.

"close to his prime"
lol
enjoy your mugs.

AnOctorokForDinner · Sep 5, 2020

I wonder if 2014 Fred would win AO with Djoe's 2020 draw and USO with Nads' 2019 draw. Thoahts?

PeoplesChamp · Sep 5, 2020

jm1980 said:
What difference does Fed's age and decline makes here?

If anything this whole situation is highly unfavorable to Novak, because he is being denied chances to increase his records while he is still somewhat close to his prime. Imagine if most of the season in 2006 had been cancelled, Fed's record book would look very different.

This thread is about the USO. Not the rankings freeze or Wimbledon cancellation.

metsman · Sep 5, 2020

AnOctorokForDinner said:
I wonder if 2014 Fred would win AO with Djoe's 2020 draw and USO with Nads' 2019 draw. Thoahts?

Probably would. Fed massacred Tsonga and Murray and Thiem probably isn't better than even the busted up version of those guys.

2014 AO Fed had his moments at the AO, but Nadal was the absolute worst guy he could have faced for a variety of reasons.

For USO, as limp as Fed was in 2014, I really don't see him losing to Medvedev. Monfils on his day had more moments of inspiration than that guy.

2014 Fed in place of Djok today would be a solid favorite at 3 majors (lock at Wimbledon).

Third Serve · Sep 5, 2020

metsman said:
Probably would. Fed massacred Tsonga and Murray and Thiem probably isn't better than even the busted up version of those guys.

2014 AO Fed had his moments at the AO, but Nadal was the absolute worst guy he could have faced for a variety of reasons.

For USO, as limp as Fed was in 2014, I really don't see him losing to Medvedev. Monfils on his day had more moments of inspiration than that guy.

2014 Fed in place of Djok today would be a solid favorite at 3 majors (lock at Wimbledon).

Murray is understandable, but to me it seems Thiem is leagues ahead of Tsonga at this point.

NoleFam · Sep 5, 2020

metsman said:
Probably would. Fed massacred Tsonga and Murray and Thiem probably isn't better than even the busted up version of those guys.

2014 AO Fed had his moments at the AO, but Nadal was the absolute worst guy he could have faced for a variety of reasons.

For USO, as limp as Fed was in 2014, I really don't see him losing to Medvedev. Monfils on his day had more moments of inspiration than that guy.

2014 Fed in place of Djok today would be a solid favorite at 3 majors (lock at Wimbledon).

Third Serve · Sep 5, 2020

NoleFam said:

There's underrating players and then there's that.

NoleFam · Sep 5, 2020

Third Serve said:
There's underrating players and then there's that.

Yes you are correct.

metsman · Sep 5, 2020

Third Serve said:
There's underrating players and then there's that.

Medvedev is many things but I don't think anyone can begin to claim that his game is inspirational.

Third Serve · Sep 5, 2020

metsman said:
Medvedev is many things but I don't think anyone can begin to claim that his game is inspirational.

Even if not inspiration, there are other things Med has that can help him, especially against the very poor version of Fed that showed up in 2014.

Do you think the reaction to this tournament would have been the same if Djokovic and Nadal had not participated and Federer did?

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