Didn’t expect Tsitsipas to fall apart mentally and physically in 5th set

McEnborg · Oct 9, 2020

He made a potentially career altering comeback. It was great to see.
But then he loses 6 games so quickly after being up 1-0 in fifth set, with all the momentum. Disappointing.
Novak is amazing no doubt. If he beats Rafa, he could legitimately claim equal status to the top 2 because of winning 2 or more of each major and 2 or more of all the Masters.

i think he’d be equal to Nadal career wise in greatness and very, very close to Fed.

StrongRule · Oct 9, 2020

It is pathetic that a 22 years old is so much physically weaker than a 33 years old.

Krish0608 · Oct 9, 2020

He was injured.
From the Tsitsipas presser: "Unfortunately towards the end of the match an injury that I had during my match in Rome came back. It was difficult to close the match in a fighting way, in a fighting spirit".

TennisFan3 · Oct 9, 2020

McEnborg said:
He made a potentially career altering comeback. It was great to see.
But then he loses 6 games so quickly after being up 1-0 in fifth set, with all the momentum. Disappointing.

It's because of Novak's mental strength. It's unreal. His opponents usually don't have the courage to fight Novak when the Serbian is on FIRE. It's an impossible task.
Titspas was more mentally down than physically.

TheNachoMan · Oct 9, 2020

Krish0608 said:
He was injured.
From the Tsitsipas presser: "Unfortunately towards the end of the match an injury that I had during my match in Rome came back. It was difficult to close the match in a fighting way, in a fighting spirit".

Nadalesque excuse

Krish0608 · Oct 9, 2020

TheNachoMan said:
Nadalesque excuse

He was not moving his legs at all towards the end. It was obvious he was in physical discomfort.

pasta · Oct 9, 2020

No excuses ... 33 year old Djokovic is in better physical shape than a young 22 year old ...

Hit the gym Stefanos, not Instagram ... work with nutritionists, trainers, PT's, fitness coaches ... expand your team, make the presence of your father smaller ...

Still plenty of time for Stefanos but hopefully he learned from this a lot !

EllieK · Oct 9, 2020

pasta said:
No excuses ... 33 year old Djokovic is in better physical shape than a young 22 year old ...

Hit the gym Stefanos, not Instagram ... work with nutritionists, trainers, PT's, fitness coaches ... expand your team, make the presence of your father smaller ...

Still plenty of time for Stefanos but hopefully he learned from this a lot !

Trust me, he did. He wants this.

GabeT · Oct 9, 2020

Krish0608 said:
He was injured.
From the Tsitsipas presser: "Unfortunately towards the end of the match an injury that I had during my match in Rome came back. It was difficult to close the match in a fighting way, in a fighting spirit".

Did they explain what injury?

SonnyT · Oct 9, 2020

The physio came out to work on Thiem's knee. Rest assured it was real, and he didn't fake it!

Even w/o injury, it was kind of expected. TC put up the 5-set match stats: now it's Djokovic 33-10 (.767), Tsisipas 2-4 (.333).

They also said Djokovic has: lost only one match after winning the first 2 sets (to Melzer); and has never lost in Majors after holding match point.

EllieK · Oct 9, 2020

GabeT said:
Did they explain what injury?

He’s had a right foot injury in the past. It looked like he was sort of dragging that foot a bit when going for a dropper. After that he was done.

duaneeo · Oct 9, 2020

Oh, he was injured. It's always something.

Odinn21 · Oct 9, 2020

StrongRule said:
It is pathetic that a 22 years old is so much physically weaker than a 33 years old.

The dude played his 11th match in 17 days...

duaneeo · Oct 9, 2020

Odinn21 said:
The dude played his 11th match in 17 days...

It's always something.

Odinn21 · Oct 9, 2020

duaneeo said:
It's always something.

For a mental status like yours, always.

esm · Oct 9, 2020

Odinn21 said:
The dude played his 11th match in 17 days...

But he said he is an adult now...

Steve0904 · Oct 9, 2020

duaneeo said:
It's always something.

Seems like you've done quite the 180 on the next gen potential front. Weren't you one of the few defenders about 6 months to a year ago?

No ulterior motive here. Just asking. Genuinely curious.

Slowtwitcher · Oct 9, 2020

Tsitsipas was very impressive. He was down match point and came back to level the match. Changed my perspective on him altogether.

pasta · Oct 9, 2020

"Injury" often happens because lack of fitness or mental preparation ...

Stefanos is very fit but to get to that next level ... he has to find his "next level' where his body would not react adversely to the extreme and grueling 5 hour tennis match ... and expanding his team with experts will help ... Mouratoglou presence in his box is a good sign ... I know he trains there (Nice) but it is time to get his "team together" ...

"mental preparation/strength" is another aspect ... once your body start breaking down it is your mind that has to suppress those nagging aches and pains ... or if your mind focuses on those ... they start getting worse and starts resembling real injury ... "play through the pain" ...

He is getting closer and closer and I am happy to watch him ascending to the top ... not there yet !

Nostradamus · Oct 9, 2020

Krish0608 said:
He was injured.
From the Tsitsipas presser: "Unfortunately towards the end of the match an injury that I had during my match in Rome came back. It was difficult to close the match in a fighting way, in a fighting spirit".

I knew it,,, if it wasn't for the injury, stepanoe would have blown away novak in the 5th set. RAFA got this weakling gluten free man in the final now

Znak · Oct 9, 2020

During a full tennis season, I don't think anyone is truly 100%. So whether it's the neck niggles or groin issues, I tend to believe the players.

Nostradamus · Oct 9, 2020

Krish0608 said:
He was not moving his legs at all towards the end. It was obvious he was in physical discomfort.

Why didn't he call a injury timeout and get off the court for extended injury treatment..... It would have been worth it,,, instead novak just ran away with it like freight train

Nostradamus · Oct 9, 2020

Znak said:
During a full tennis season, I don't think anyone is truly 100%. So whether it's the neck niggles or groin issues, I tend to believe the players.

LOL,,,,,,,,,,,,, This was nothing but full season... very very short Covid season actually.

Znak · Oct 9, 2020

Nostradamus said:
LOL,,,,,,,,,,,,, This was nothing but full season... very very short Covid season actually.

Agreed, but when was the last time you had two majors back to back like that?

Fedinkum · Oct 9, 2020

Just like that, Tsitsipas is back in the “Next Gen is useless basket“.

pasta · Oct 9, 2020

To my eyes, Tsitsipas looks like the most promising "young" player ...

Fantastic "Covid affected" season, he will get better and I am 100% seeing Tsitsipas as my favorite player once the Big 3 are gone.

Hopefully he hangs with the right crowd ... Stay away from the other "Greek" !!! (Australian/Malasian Greek)

toby55555 · Oct 9, 2020

Peak age for endurance is more in the 25-35 age range, he will improve in this regard.

Federev · Oct 9, 2020

Krish0608 said:
He was injured.
From the Tsitsipas presser: "Unfortunately towards the end of the match an injury that I had during my match in Rome came back. It was difficult to close the match in a fighting way, in a fighting spirit".

Didn’t see this. Thanks. That makes more sense

Maybe he really could have won this match if he’d brought more maturity and confidence to the early sets.

pasta · Oct 9, 2020

toby55555 said:
Peak age for endurance is more in the 25-35 age range, he will improve in this regard.

Agree,

but also he better start winning before 25 or else ... he will become another Thiem ! Winning first major at the tender age of 27 !?

All he needed in this match to win was stronger box ...

esm · Oct 9, 2020

pasta said:
Hopefully he hangs with the right crowd ... Stay away from the other "Greek" !!! (Australian/Malasian Greek)

Are there any other “Russian/Greek” Greek he can hang out with? How about the ones from (edited) Cyprus?

pasta · Oct 9, 2020

esm said:
Are there any other “Russian/Greek” Greek he can hang out with? How about the ones from Cypress?

Cypress Hill ?

Slowtwitcher · Oct 9, 2020

esm said:
Are there any other “Russian/Greek” Greek he can hang out with? How about the ones from Cypress?

You're gonna have to do a 3rd edit

pasta · Oct 9, 2020

My bad ... very bad ... I did not mean anything bad by saying "Australian/Malasian Greek" ...

I meant to say - stay away from scumbag Nick Kyrgios !

TennisFan3 · Oct 9, 2020

EllieK said:
Trust me, he did. He wants this.

And it didn't work. He needs MORE.
I mean losing a match is fine. But getting tired at 22 against someone ELEVEN years older is NOT.
Hell No. He should be mad at himself..

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

Oh he was injured. Whatever gets him through the night i guess.

esm · Oct 9, 2020

pasta said:
Cypress Hill ?

Should be “Cyprus”.. damn phone keyboard... lol

Fedinkum · Oct 9, 2020

So any Freudian interpretation of his performance tonight yet?

esm · Oct 9, 2020

Slowtwitcher said:
You're gonna have to do a 3rd edit

Lol - just done that. Same phone keyboard...

mike danny · Oct 9, 2020

Fedinkum said:
Just like that, Tsitsipas is back in the “Next Gen is useless basket“.

No, not quite. He has redeemed himself with this match.

Latetothegame · Oct 9, 2020

pasta said:
"Injury" often happens because lack of fitness or mental preparation ...

Stefanos is very fit but to get to that next level ... he has to find his "next level' where his body would not react adversely to the extreme and grueling 5 hour tennis match ... and expanding his team with experts will help ... Mouratoglou presence in his box is a good sign ... I know he trains there (Nice) but it is time to get his "team together" ...

"mental preparation/strength" is another aspect ... once your body start breaking down it is your mind that has to suppress those nagging aches and pains ... or if your mind focuses on those ... they start getting worse and starts resembling real injury ... "play through the pain" ...

He is getting closer and closer and I am happy to watch him ascending to the top ... not there yet !

Yeah I agree with this good analysis

duaneeo · Oct 9, 2020

Steve0904 said:
Seems like you've done quite the 180 on the next gen potential front. Weren't you one of the few defenders about 6 months to a year ago?

Six months to a year ago? Try 3 years. I had said 2018 would be the official breakout year for the NextGens.

But hell, after a while you simply lose hope. Even with these conditions, they couldn't prevent another Nadalovic final? Heavens.

clout · Oct 9, 2020

I was very impressed with how Stefanos came back when he was down 2 sets to love but yeah at 22, he shouldn’t be in worse shape than 33-year old boomervic

Deleted member 770948 · Oct 9, 2020

Its like Cilic at the AO Final when Federer destroyed him in the 5th Set.
These guys have a limit.

Fedinkum · Oct 9, 2020

mike danny said:
No, not quite. He has redeemed himself with this match.

I give him the putting up a fight but that has always been the NextGen so far, just putting up a fight.

duaneeo · Oct 9, 2020

Slowtwitcher said:
Tsitsipas was very impressive. He was down match point and came back to level the match.

Facing 27/28 year old Djokovic, impressive. Facing 33 year old Djokovic, not impressive.

pasta · Oct 9, 2020

Who would be a good coach for Tsitsipas ?

I wish another Greek great decides to give it a go coaching ... Sampras

Say what you want but having the right coach at the right moment can bring you over the top ...

Time to go shopping ...

mike danny · Oct 9, 2020

toby55555 said:
Peak age for endurance is more in the 25-35 age range, he will improve in this regard.

Lol what? 35? You're kidding right?

Fed at 34 couldn't keep up with Djokovic anymore in the 2015 Wimb final.

DSH · Oct 9, 2020

I agree.
It was disappointing to see that his physical condition did not give for more at the beginning of the fifth set.

And we are talking about a tennis player who has completed less than two months ago, 22 years, the beginning of his prime.

He reached the semifinals with a slight amount of minutes less than that of his opponent, who in addition to being more than 11 years older than the Greek, has played more matches in the last 2 and a half months.

The match did not arrive at 4 hours of play but Tsitsipas could not continue competing at the required level in this instance.

It is a wake-up call for young tennis players of this generation that winning Grand Slam tournaments requires impeccable physical condition, which is not the case with Stefanos today.

Sudacafan · Oct 9, 2020

TennisFan3 said:
It's because of Novak's mental strength. It's unreal. His opponents usually don't have the courage to fight Novak when the Serbian is on FIRE. It's an impossible task.
Titspas was more mentally down than physically.

Novak’s mental strength injured Tsits. We witnessed that.

TennisFan3 · Oct 9, 2020

DSH said:
I agree.
It was disappointing to see that his physical condition did not give for more at the beginning of the fifth set.

And we are talking about a tennis player who has completed less than two months ago, 22 years, the beginning of his prime.

He reached the semifinals with a slight amount of minutes less than that of his opponent, who in addition to being more than 11 years older than the Greek, has played more matches in the last 2 and a half months.

The match did not arrive at 4 hours of play but Tsitsipas could not continue competing at the required level in this instance.

It is a wake-up call for young tennis players of this generation that winning Grand Slam tournaments requires impeccable physical condition, which is not the case with Stefanos today.

Excellent post. Next gens are mugs and they don't put in the hours.

Didn’t expect Tsitsipas to fall apart mentally and physically in 5th set

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