I would trade one of Nadal's non-clay slams for another Roland Garros

Dilexson

Hall of Fame
I mean who wouldn't trade a Barcelona for the 2017 USO , right. Anything's better than the Berratini opens, no?
 

ND-13

Hall of Fame
The average tennis fan does not really care how many RG titles Nadal has. If you tell them that Nadal has 17 FO , they will believe it.
 

Tiki-Taka

Semi-Pro
Sounds like a typical covoodoodian argument. Who cares that millions have no symptoms when you have one guy who died, let's lock the entire world.

How many times Nadal had cakewalks compared to how many tough semis? Tell me.

Fed who couldn't serve too and on a surface that was so slow it's a joke to call it a HC.


Yeah, all opportunistic wins.
There is over a million people, two of my colleagues included, who would love to agree with you that covid is not a big deal at all, but they can't anymore... Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

You find some Youzhny/Federer like contrasts at the first three Slams and tell me. But since even Federer and Djokovic are part of "embarrassing cakewalks" while Baghdatis and Philippoussis I imagine are not, what's the point of listing anything?

I know you are trying to make excuses but it's really not a good look for Fed at all if he really underperformed that many times. "He couldn't serve..." Long term mono effect? Let's wait for his supporters to rate his performance highly so his opponent just might get some credit for beating him. Sounds like a sensible idea.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe specifically USO 2019 for RG 2009. Other than the final, that one was a bit of a stinker and the likes of tennis_pro won't ever shut up about it.

All the other non-RG slams involve great wins against top players. I wouldn't want to give up any of those.

Then again, I would feel bad about stealing from Soderling his big moment of glory. He's been unlucky enough.
And? If anything, him still being butthurt about Nadal winning 4 USO titles is very satisfying. USO 2019 was one of Nadal's best slam titles and I would not trade it for anything else. Starting from the fourth round he had drama in every match, especially in the final.
 

BackhandDTL

Hall of Fame
There is over a million people, two of my colleagues included, who would love to agree with you that covid is not a big deal at all, but they can't anymore... Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

You find some Youzhny/Federer like contrasts at the first three Slams and tell me. But since even Federer and Djokovic are part of "embarrassing cakewalks" while Baghdatis and Philippoussis I imagine are not, what's the point of listing anything?

I know you are trying to make excuses but it's really not a good look for Fed at all if he really underperformed that many times. "He couldn't serve..." Long term mono effect? Let's wait for his supporters to rate his performance highly so his opponent just might get some credit for beating him. Sounds like a sensible idea.
You are essentially arguing with a potato. Don’t bother
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
You think Nadal being humiliated by his biggest rivals on 2 surfaces for nearly 7 years is nothing?

LMAO
LMAO is the reaction to your comments. Right, Federer TOTALLY owned Nadal in 2014 by losing their only match that year. :-D :-D :-D :-D

Or in 2015 by barely winning a match in Basel against the worst ever Nadal. Or in 2016, 2018, 2020 when they didn't meet at all. In 2019 their head to head was 1-1. But at least Nadal went on to win the title after his win, unlike Federer.

Yeah, so there was the one 2017 season when Federer owned Nadal. This one year made some Federer fanboys go crazy and somehow talk about a 7 years domination. There were much more years when Nadal owned Federer.
 

BackhandDTL

Hall of Fame
USO 2019 was a pretty tough non-big 3 opponent draw.

Med, Cilic in the 4th round, Schwartzman.

The early rounds Chung and Millman. Chung faced Fed in the SF of the AO and can barely beat Millman. Berretini isint great but he’s not that bad.
 

Yugram

Legend
USO 2019 was a pretty tough non-big 3 opponent draw.

Med, Cilic in the 4th round, Schwartzman.

The early rounds Chung and Millman. Chung faced Fed in the SF of the AO and can barely beat Millman. Berretini isint great but he’s not that bad.
Federer’s main rival in the first round :oops:

Wow, that draw is tough.
 
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Deleted member 775898

Guest
Slams won against other Big 3 :
Rafa : 14 Slams
Nole : 13 Slams
Federer : 7 Slams.

Who's the vulture now ?
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Slams won against other Big 3 :
Rafa : 14 Slams
Nole : 13 Slams
Federer : 7 Slams.

Who's the vulture now ?
yeah all the wins against a 35-38 year old Federer. Unfortunately Federer couldn't take advantage of Nadal being 9 years old.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
There is over a million people, two of my colleagues included, who would love to agree with you that covid is not a big deal at all, but they can't anymore... Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.
It's way more than one million, bro.

And I should care about your two friends because?
You find some Youzhny/Federer like contrasts at the first three Slams and tell me. But since even Federer and Djokovic are part of "embarrassing cakewalks" while Baghdatis and Philippoussis I imagine are not, what's the point of listing anything?
Yes definitely Baghhdatis who beat 3 top 10 players en route to the final where he was a point away from being a set and a double break up against Federer himself. Who did Berrettini beat again? Old Monfils?

I know you are trying to make excuses but it's really not a good look for Fed at all if he really underperformed that many times. "He couldn't serve..." Long term mono effect? Let's wait for his supporters to rate his performance highly so his opponent just might get some credit for beating him. Sounds like a sensible idea.
A more sensible idea would be Nadal being able to win more than 9 games against players who Federer smoked in the final when Federer was at his peak.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't understand why this thread has so many people up in arms. I think OP makes a good point.

Since he has extra Wimbledons or USOs to spare, I think that's a worthy trade to get 10 in a row at 1 event. The only real debate is whether his AO title is worth it.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
As a fan, I would trade one of Nadal's non-clay slams for RG 2009, but preferably one of his Wimbledon or US Open titles. 10 French Opens in a row is too impressive an achievement/record to pass up. Dominance like that is just far more impressive than a little more versatility. I think all the talk of surface versatility ignores the other side of the equation. Nadal is special because he's done something nobody else is even close to doing. Federer/Djokovic are impressive also, but they're improving on what others have done before. Co-domination on Hard/Grass isn't a new concept, it's been done before and others will continue to do so in the future. All this to say, Nadal lacks in surface versatility when compared to Fed/Djok, sure, but they also lack what Nadal has.

Do you agree?

I think Nadal would trade you after this.
 

Tiki-Taka

Semi-Pro
It's way more than one million, bro.

And I should care about your two friends because?

Yes definitely Baghhdatis who beat 3 top 10 players en route to the final where he was a point away from being a set and a double break up against Federer himself. Who did Berrettini beat again? Old Monfils?


A more sensible idea would be Nadal being able to win more than 9 games against players who Federer smoked in the final when Federer was at his peak.
You shouldn't. But you won't be in such an arrogant mocking mood should the problem come knocking on your door or of someone close to you.

Well that certainly makes him the equivalent of Federer and Djokovic that Nadal beat each of those 20 times in Majors, I am convinced now.

Or maybe Federer being the great US Open champion that he is should have exposed the opportunistic Nadal at least once in the last 11 years in New York? Since we are constantly reminded he did well in their head to head outside clay in recent years (and he wasn't even great at that in the distant past), surely he could have complicated Rafa's draws just by meeting him even once there in the last decade?

For all the past talk how H2Hs don't matter while Slams are be all end all, this 180 turn is funny. And I am sure Nadal equaling the record against all the odds has nothing to do with it...
 

Heliath

Rookie
What's his record against Federer and Djokovic outside of clay in the last 7 years again? I'm actually generous here.

Nadal can only win s**t outside of clay when he has a draw full with Berrettinis.

The record is 6-4 to Roger outside clay since 2013.

In the last 5 years , Roger hasnt passed QF in the US Open and has only played 1 French Open. Thats not Nadal's fault and has nothing to do with Nadal playing Berretini. Maybe if Fed could beat John Millman or Dimitrov at the US Open he could play against Nadal instead of Berretini.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
You shouldn't. But you won't be in such an arrogant mocking mood should the problem come knocking on your door or of someone close to you.
If I got one dime each time I heard "just wait till it happens to you" since March

duuuude

I'm not gonna sit at home all day just because there are 0,03% odds that something could happen.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
About the thread-even if Nadal had won RG 2009, I doubt he would have won 10 RG titles in a row. This is just impossible. Let's not forget he also got lucky in 2011 when Federer took out Djokovic for him. Who knows what would have happened if Nadal won RG 2009.
 

Standaa

G.O.A.T.
It's way more than one million, bro.

And I should care about your two friends because?

Yes definitely Baghhdatis who beat 3 top 10 players en route to the final where he was a point away from being a set and a double break up against Federer himself. Who did Berrettini beat again? Old Monfils?


A more sensible idea would be Nadal being able to win more than 9 games against players who Federer smoked in the final when Federer was at his peak.

just wait till it happens to you
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
just wait till it happens to you
Just came back from my hairdresser, said that 2 days ago her son who's 5 years old swallowed a small metal ball. She rushed to the hospital and had to sign that her son had covid (without doing any tests) which she did because obviously she was in panic mode and her son needed help fast.

Not a single F shall be given from me.
 
just came back from my hairdresser, said that 2 days ago her son who's 5 years old swallowed a small metal ball. She had to sign that her son had covid before doing any tests before they helped them in the hospital.

This is an absolute freaking joke.

Now you can expose them: with her testimony you and she can literally ruin the lying bas*ards.

I assure you, the newspapers are hungry for such "revelations".

:cool:
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Now you can expose them: with her testimony you and she can literally ruin the lying bas*ards.

I assure you, the newspapers are hungry for such "revelations".

:cool:
dude I got more first hand stories, so what?

no-one cares, more false positives, locking entire countries and there's nothing you can do
 
dude I got more first hand stories, so what?

no-one cares, more false positives, locking entire countries and there's nothing you can do

No, trust me. If you go to a journalist that does investigative journalism, he will gladly take your case, especially supported by evidence. It will be easy to prove it: you have the paperwork and everything. I assume the kid didn't have any test done, so they don't have any documentation for him. Just run to someone like that and you will do everyone a great service.

:cool:
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
No, trust me. If you go to a journalist that does investigative journalism, he will gladly take your case, especially supported by evidence. It will be easy to prove it: you have the paperwork and everything. I assume the kid didn't have any test done, so they don't have any documentation for him. Just run to someone like that and you will do everyone a great service.

:cool:
Dude you have no idea what you're talking about. Anyone who doesn't go with the main covid narrative is either ridiculed or crushed like a bug. I know what I know and will just wait this craze out.
 

victorcruz

Hall of Fame
Just came back from my hairdresser, said that 2 days ago her son who's 5 years old swallowed a small metal ball. She rushed to the hospital and had to sign that her son had covid (without doing any tests) which she did because obviously she was in panic mode and her son needed help fast.

Not a single F shall be given from me.
Here i thought you were some manly man with a flower on your head, but turns out you just got back from your hairdresser. I suppose covid means nothing to manly men going to the hairdresser but I know people that have passed away from complications because they had covid.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Here i thought you were some manly man with a flower on your head, but turns out you just got back from your hairdresser. I suppose covid means nothing to manly men going to the hairdresser but I know people that have passed away from complications because they had covid.
who doesn't have covid at this point LMAO?

you can't effing die from anything else at this point no matter how hard you try
 
Dude you have no idea what you're talking about. Anyone who doesn't go with the main covid narrative is either ridiculed or crushed like a bug. I know what I know and will just wait this craze out.

Well, either you believe in your cause, or you don't. People that believe in their causes fight for them. People that only talk and fold before they have tried ...

Waiting until "it" crazes out is a kind of suspect. Basically you don't have to prove anything, just talk.

:cool:
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Well, either you believe in your cause, or you don't. People that believe in their causes fight for them. People that only talk and fold before they have tried ...

Waiting until "it" crazes out is a kind of suspect. Basically you don't have to prove anything, just talk.

:cool:

Or you're a mighty Internet warrior.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Well, either you believe in your cause, or you don't. People that believe in their causes fight for them. People that only talk and fold before they have tried ...

Waiting until "it" crazes out is a kind of suspect. Basically you don't have to prove anything, just talk.

:cool:
When are you scheduled to travel to Africa with a loaf of bread to feed the starving children again?
 
Or you're a mighty Internet warrior.

I give him all the time the benefit of the doubt (no that the virus is a fake, which was his previous claim, that one cannot pass, at least not with me. The one that somehow the problem is smaller than it is said), but he keeps disappointing, evading any responsibility to put his money where his mouth is.

:cool:
 

Tiki-Taka

Semi-Pro
If I got one dime each time I heard "just wait till it happens to you" since March

duuuude

I'm not gonna sit at home all day just because there are 0,03% odds that something could happen.
I used a conditional. Never implied it is going to happen to you, and never suggested sitting at home all day either. You are all over the place.
 
When are you scheduled to travel to Africa with a loaf of bread to feed the starving children again?

Where did I say that I am concerned about them? There are starving people also in Europe, believe it or not, and I am doing something for them. Not a lot, but still. I advise that you do the same for your cause of exposing that scam.

:cool:
 

Beckerserve

Legend
If anything I'd trade his AO, which sounds crazy, but to me that win doesn't tell me anything that his 4 USOs don't already tell me.

I wouldn't trade a W because multiple Channel Slams is very prestigious. Likewise, I think Nadal gets a lot of cred out of 4 USOs. It's pretty much THE stat he can point to when someone attacks his off-clay record.
Id trade his 2009 AO for another USO. Legacies and history are made at the 3 oldest Majors.
 
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