Does Federer still work hard?

Does Federer still work hard?

  • No - Mirka doesn't let him

    Votes: 12 27.3%

  • No - Federer is no longer motivated

    Votes: 14 31.8%

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 40.9%
  • Total voters
    44
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csmoove899

Semi-Pro
Looking back at the Wimbledon match against Hurkacz, Federer completely ran out gas within an hour. The old age excuse applies to footspeed, recovery, and fatigue in long matches - it does not apply here. Federer did not even play any long matches leading up to the quarterfinals.

When Federer lost early in Doha in March, he blamed his conditioning returning from injury. He had 4 months to work on his conditioning and made little progress. Federer never had the conditioning of Nadal or Djokovic, but when he was younger his talent and skills won him matches. But now more than ever he needs to actually work on his conditioning. Also, Federer needs to play more than 5 tournaments a year, and he needs to stop running a daycare at every tournament. At this point even Kyrgios chuckles at Federer's lack of dedication.
 
Tennisbg

Tennisbg

Professional
csmoove899 said:
Looking back at the Wimbledon match against Hurkacz, Federer completely ran out gas within an hour. The old age excuse applies to footspeed, recovery, and fatigue in long matches - it does not apply here. Federer did not even play any long matches leading up to the quarterfinals.

When Federer lost early in Doha in March, he blamed his conditioning returning from injury. He had 4 months to work on his conditioning and made little progress. Federer never had the conditioning of Nadal or Djokovic, but when he was younger his talent and skills won him matches. But now more than ever he needs to actually work on his conditioning. Also, Federer needs to play more than 5 tournaments a year, and he needs to stop running a daycare at every tournament. At this point even Kyrgios chuckles at Federer's lack of dedication.
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I know some athlete on national level, he was injured for some months and when he came back it took him 1 year to be on the same level as before the injury. At this age I imagine it may never happen for Federer.
 
kevaninho

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Has it never crossed your mind that he's not capable of doing crazy conditioning work ? He's not a kid anymore. He's a 40 year old man with a ton of mileage on his body. It's obviously not as simple as getting more conditioning work in.

I honestly wonder if any of you have ever trained hard and are not 20 years old on here.
 
Jaitock1991

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
kevaninho said:
Has it never crossed your mind that he's not capable of doing crazy conditioning work ? He's not a kid anymore. He's a 40 year old man with a ton of mileage on his body. It's obviously not as simple as getting more conditioning work in.

I honestly wonder if any of you have ever trained hard and are not 20 years old on here.
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This. The fundamental lack of knowledge and understanding of things like this in here is mind-blowing at times.
 
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csmoove899

Semi-Pro
kevaninho said:
Has it never crossed your mind that he's not capable of doing crazy conditioning work ? He's not a kid anymore. He's a 40 year old man with a ton of mileage on his body. It's obviously not as simple as getting more conditioning work in.

I honestly wonder if any of you have ever trained hard and are not 20 years old on here.
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You’re saying it’s impossible for Federer to improve his conditioning from what it was at Wimbledon even if he tries? That is a ridiculous statement.
 
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Deleted member 770948

Guest
Federer didn't look old at Roland Garros, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him beat Berrettini there.
 
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mental midget

Hall of Fame
40 isn't so old that he couldn't get into phenomenal shape. the question is whether the knee would hold up, and whether he feels like doing it honestly. guy's a billionaire and one of the most revered people on the planet and neither of those things changes if he never picks up a racket again.
 
The Blond Blur

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
No, he just sits in front of a fire eating Lindt chocolate and drinking Moet champagne while counting his billions.

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duaneeo

duaneeo

Legend
csmoove899 said:
You’re saying it’s impossible for Federer to improve his conditioning from what it was at Wimbledon even if he tries? That is a ridiculous statement.
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I agree. Older people are capable of doing crazy conditioning work, and many do. A healthy Federer can definitely get more conditioned with continuous and perhaps more strenuous training. What he did years ago may no longer be sufficient.

I've always wondered what his conditioning routine has been late in his career, and whether it includes more cardiovascular exercises. In today's game, stamina is perhaps the most important factor in winning.
 
The Fedfather

The Fedfather

Legend
He does seem to be more chill about his form these days. Federer will be 40 in a week though, and how many of those years did he spend doing rigorous training? It totally paid off, but Roger has every right to cut himself some slack now.
 
Kralingen

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Do I need to remind everyone how hard Federer worked with Ljubicic to rework his entire BH and produce the proto-Fed that was so successful in 2017/18?

What kind of player who doesn't work hard or doesn't really care would re-tool an entire stroke of his at age 36?
 
wangs78

wangs78

Legend
Even without knee injuries, at nearly age 40, someone, no matter how much conditioning he does, is not going to have the agility and explosiveness of someone in his 20s. In your 30s you can maintain speed and agility if you do the right things so that your physical decline is barely noticeable. But once you’ve had an injury and long layoff at age 38-39 like Fed has had, it is impossible to come back to the same level physically. And to the OP’s point about endurance, even if Fed could run two marathons in a row, if he didn’t have agility and explosiveness he’s not going to have much of a chance against top players. Tennis is not about jogging around the court. It is about sudden changes of direction and rapid acceleration.
 
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blablavla

G.O.A.T.
kevaninho said:
Has it never crossed your mind that he's not capable of doing crazy conditioning work ? He's not a kid anymore. He's a 40 year old man with a ton of mileage on his body. It's obviously not as simple as getting more conditioning work in.

I honestly wonder if any of you have ever trained hard and are not 20 years old on here.
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you don't know that 99% of users here could easily beat those mugs and clowns had they decided to take a tennis racket into their hands instead of spreading their salt anonymously online? :oops:
 
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daphne

Hall of Fame
Kralingen said:
Do I need to remind everyone how hard Federer worked with Ljubicic to rework his entire BH and produce the proto-Fed that was so successful in 2017/18?

What kind of player who doesn't work hard or doesn't really care would re-tool an entire stroke of his at age 36?
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* Djok was injured back then.
 
Kralingen

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
daphne said:
* Djok was injured back then.
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Maybe so but he did beat Nadal comprehensively those years.

The point is less about whether Federer would have beaten Djokovic, moreso that he showed an extremely high work ethic and dedication at 36 years old.
 
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daphne

Hall of Fame
Kralingen said:
Maybe so but he did beat Nadal comprehensively those years.

The point is less about whether Federer would have beaten Djokovic, moreso that he showed an extremely high work ethic and dedication at 36 years old.
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With Nadl and Djok at those slams Fedr would still be on 17 slams. EOD.
 
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blablavla

G.O.A.T.
daphne said:
With Nadl and Djok at those slams Fedr would still be on 17 slams. EOD.
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well, let's check some basic facts:
AO 2017
Novak lost in R2
Nadal was defeated in the final by Fed

Wim 2017
Novak lost in QF
Nadal lost in R16

AO 2018
Novak lost in R16
Nadal lost in QF

yeah you're totally right buddy, if only Nadl and Djok bothered to show up at those slams, Fedr would still be on 17 slams :-D :-D :-D
 
Enga

Enga

Hall of Fame
I doubt the problem has to do with age so much as it has to do with that knee. He has had operations on it. Training a lot more would also put that knee through a lot more. Just look at Murray, no one doubts his desire. But that same desire would see his brand new shiny metal hips turn to dust.
 
J

jga111

Hall of Fame
Probably not. I think this should really be the question:

Is Federer now playing for himself or his sponsors?
 
Aabye5

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Dude's got two sets of twins...Yes, he still works hard because I don't think Mirka would let him get away with slacking. He's probably responsible for sweeping or cooking. Barilla, anyone?
 
kevaninho

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
csmoove899 said:
You’re saying it’s impossible for Federer to improve his conditioning from what it was at Wimbledon even if he tries? That is a ridiculous statement.
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It very well could be, yes. We dont know the limitations he has with his body.

Im a bit younger than Federer, and train in a martial art, and i have plenty of aches and injuries that i train around. But i could never train as hard as i did 10 years ago without some consequences, which could be aggravating an injury to the point it becomes way more serious etc.

It doesnt mean i cant turn up to sparring, and give it my all, but i simply cant put in as much grind as i did when i was in my 20s outwith sparring ( or tournaments in Federers case ). Theres a balance between trying to improve off the court/mats , and being in decent, injury free shape, come match time.

And trust me, i would love nothing more than to be able to hammer conditioning/strength work everyday.
 
BeatlesFan

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Rosstour said:
He was never a gym rat or a practice fiend like Rafa or Novak. Not ever.
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I've seen almost every Federer match since 2002. Can you name matches that Fed lost where he was clearly exhausted or lost stamina (prior to him being almost 40 in 2021)? I can name only two: 2009 AO final in the fifth set and the Millman match at the USO. Federer never needed excessive gym sessions like less talented players such as Murray or Fucsovics, both of whom live(d) in the gym.
 
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T007

Hall of Fame
csmoove899 said:
You’re saying it’s impossible for Federer to improve his conditioning from what it was at Wimbledon even if he tries? That is a ridiculous statement.
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Lol There is nothing more to workout physically.He is still as lean as he was in early 30s...The 3rd set in wimbledon was not because of physical problems but mental break down after leading 4-1 in 2nd set and making silly errors to lose in a TB.

One thing he needs to follow is to play more tournaments and Work on his cardio. At 40 you can't hit gyms and expect to be fitter and agile then you were in yours 25s
 
Notorious_Junkballer

Notorious_Junkballer

Hall of Fame
blablavla said:
I guess you are among those who had multiple surgeries and in their 40s you can be faster than top athletes in their 20s
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As a matter of fact I've had both my knees operated with 1-1,5 years of rehabilitation that followed but not more than four years later since the first knife cut I could easily beat guys 20 years or more younger in triathlon and marathon races of pretty good level.
 
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blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Notorious_Junkballer said:
As a matter of fact I've had both my knees operated with 1-1,5 years of rehabilitation that followed but not more than four years later since the first knife cut I could easily beat guys 20 years or more younger in triathlon and marathon races of pretty good level.
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You are running marathon faster than 20 years old top marathon runners? Or top 20 years old iron man athletes?

You know that 20 years old can be keyboard warriors and can be top level athletes and there is a universe between them?
The fact that I defeat some 30-35 years old weekend warriors in tennis doesn't mean that I'll have a chance to win a point from Nole or Rafa
 
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mental midget

Hall of Fame
wangs78 said:
Even without knee injuries, at nearly age 40, someone, no matter how much conditioning he does, is not going to have the agility and explosiveness of someone in his 20s. In your 30s you can maintain speed and agility if you do the right things so that your physical decline is barely noticeable. But once you’ve had an injury and long layoff at age 38-39 like Fed has had, it is impossible to come back to the same level physically. And to the OP’s point about endurance, even if Fed could run two marathons in a row, if he didn’t have agility and explosiveness he’s not going to have much of a chance against top players. Tennis is not about jogging around the court. It is about sudden changes of direction and rapid acceleration.
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this is also true. he can get in tremendous 'shape' and could work to improve explosiveness etc. but you can't turn the clock back on that youthful agility and reaction times.
 
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