The pundits and the media in general spent close on 20 years selling Federer as the GOAT. That juggernaut tanker will be impossible to stop no matter what.How is the game supposed to evolve if a legend from a generation ago is still its top talking point?
They certainly came up short in a number of ways.Djokodal failed at this.
Both are problems, IMO.I think evolve is the wrong word here.
Move on is a better term.
Both are problems, IMO.
Stagnation leads to nothing. Similarly, treading water is a stopgap.
Whatever gives you the most vicarious pleasure is fine.Casuals will be talking about all of the big 3. It's pretty stupid to think they will be talking about a 20 slam champion but not the other two 20 slam champions (most likely more than 20 slams once those two retire).
Epic.Nobody will talk about Federer once he retires.
In the real world, it's not the most successful players from the past decades who are being talked about now it's the ones the experts and the media want to talk about. Margaret Court is only ever mentioned in the same sentence as Serena beating her slam record, other than that they never mention her in any context. Borg and McEnroe are the poster boys of the 80s not Connors, Lendl or anyone else, even though Borg doesn't appear too bothered about his legacy.Nobody will talk about him once he retires. Except maybe from a very few of his die hard fans and some tennis historians.
Casuals!? In 25 years!? In a "what have you done for me lately" sport like tennis!? Lol forget about it!?
They both have something in common - success, famous, influential to their sport, wealth and GOATJust like Jordan still gets his dues right now. Federer is the GOAT.
Almost nobody talks about Borg and Sampras although they were very popular in their time. Casual people still talk about McEnroe because he is still in the sport as a TV commentator. If Federer wants to be talked about in 25 years time he should start to learn the TV business.In the real world, it's not the most successful players from the past decades who are being talked about now it's the ones the experts and the media want to talk about. Margaret Court is only ever mentioned in the same sentence as Serena beating her slam record, other than that they never mention her in any context. Borg and McEnroe are the poster boys of the 80s not Connors, Lendl or anyone else, even though Borg doesn't appear too bothered about his legacy.
Good to hear.Federer will be known as the GOAT even among most tennis players (not just casuals) in the future as well.
Last week I played at the old Crandon Park stadium here in Miami, and I hit a few balls with a very good 10-year old who was playing in some junior tournament there. I asked him who his favorite tennis player was, expecting him to say Rafa or Nole, and he told me Federer, because "he's the best".
It looks like the future might not be so bleak after all...
That might be true, but it will be interesting to see if this somewhat changes in the age of the internet and social media. Sometime it's hard to appreciate old idols, especially in sports, because sometimes there's hardly any footage (or quality footage) of their skills. But Fed's GOAT skills/prime level can be easily watched from a few clicks on YouTubeThe 10 year olds in the tennis clubs around the world are talking about Djokovic right now. In 5 years time then the 10 y/olds will be talking about Medvedev Zverev Tsitsipas or whoever will be the dominating force in tennis in 5 years time. Its the nature of the sport, and the nature of life itself. People easily forget old idols... People easily adopt new idols...
Casuals will be talking about all of the big 3.
I suppose so, yes. Anyone born 50 years from now is not going to care about the big 3 because they never got to witness them play. But they will still get talked about by anyone watches tennis currently.Casuals won't be talking about the big 3 because no one except hardcore fans will even know who they were. Few here care or know about Becker, Edberg or Mac because their playing days ended before they were born. People's attention spans are nanoseconds now. The moment the big 3 retire, they will be ancient history and people will focus on whoever is racking up slam titles at that moment. The past is irrelevant or dismissed.
Not is. Was.Just like Jordan still gets his dues right now. Federer is the GOAT.
And?They will. Same with Djokovic and Nadal.
In the real world, it's not the most successful players from the past decades who are being talked about now it's the ones the experts and the media want to talk about. Margaret Court is only ever mentioned in the same sentence as Serena beating her slam record, other than that they never mention her in any context. Borg and McEnroe are the poster boys of the 80s not Connors, Lendl or anyone else, even though Borg doesn't appear too bothered about his legacy.
No, it's incumbent on the next generations to push Federer (and Djokodal) out of the discussion as quickly as they can. If the main topic of discussion in 10 years is still Fedalovic, that would be a colossal failure on the part of the current generation.How is the game supposed to evolve if a legend from a generation ago is still its top talking point?
No, it's incumbent on the next generations to push Federer (and Djokodal) out of the discussion as quickly as they can. If the main topic of discussion in 10 years is still Fedalovic, that would be a colossal failure on the part of the current generation.
Tennis will cease to exist and all people will watch will be archived recordings of our lord peak Fed. Amen.
Hard for me to see their efforts as a hypothetical failure at this point....that would be a colossal failure on the part of the current generation.
The pundits and the media in general spent close on 20 years selling Federer as the GOAT. That juggernaut tanker will be impossible to stop no matter what.
Exactly. Most posters here misjudge how fast people move on. And also forget how this can vary by nation. In the US press Borg is rarely mentioned unless it’s some kind of historical retrospective or more recently the Laver Cup.Almost nobody talks about Borg and Sampras although they were very popular in their time. Casual people still talk about McEnroe because he is still in the sport as a TV commentator. If Federer wants to be talked about in 25 years time he should start to learn the TV business.
We haven't had the bar raised like this. Not even close.Exactly. Most posters here misjudge how fast people move on. And also forget how this can vary by nation. In the US press Borg is rarely mentioned unless it’s some kind of historical retrospective or more recently the Laver Cup.
if Novak wins one more slam although he too will fade away I suspect decades from now he will still be remembered as the player with the biggest records. I don’t think anyone will win more slams of have more time at number 1.
I had the same experience. The boy was I met was older - 12. He answered without hesitation "Federer".Federer will be known as the GOAT even among most tennis players (not just casuals) in the future as well.
Last week I played at the old Crandon Park stadium here in Miami, and I hit a few balls with a very good 10-year old who was playing in some junior tournament there. I asked him who his favorite tennis player was, expecting him to say Rafa or Nole, and he told me Federer, because "he's the best".
It looks like the future might not be so bleak after all...
Less coverage from where? I bet it's something like one TV station in the US. Besides, people wanted to see the CYGS. Novak playing like he did, I didn't want to watch it and I'm a fan.Novak vs Medvedev final got lesser coverage than Raducanu's match
That tells us of the future of Tennis.
People like Medvedev and Zverev are no stars, I dont think Tennis will be that popular in another 10 years once Big 3 are gone, might even dip down a lot as a sport ....
I said exactly this just now on another thread. Rafa will be fine with it. Its Djokovic who will struggle with it.Federer doesn't have to do anything else he will be known as the GOAT for the next century. It's not true, of course, but that accolade has been bestowed upon him regardless of the statistics.
I don't believe in crying over split milk so I'm OK with it too even though the evidence doesn't back it up. We are where we are, it is what it is. You can't declare someone the GOAT day in day out for close on 20 years then suddenly try to erase it from people's perception.I said exactly this just now on another thread. Rafa will be fine with it. Its Djokovic who will struggle with it.
It is classic example of why wanting something too much, i.e adulation can be devastating. Federer will be the most remembered player. That story has already been written.
No they won't.How is the game supposed to evolve if a legend from a generation ago is still its top talking point?
I don't think Federer deserves any more respect than Nadal or Djokovic for his achievements. Let us not forget that he is 5-6 years older than the other two and they are level pegging in their achievements considering that Federer already had a portfolio before Nadal and Djokovic were old enough to win anything.You are correct in stating Federer’s popularity is also a by product of the media hype,there’s plenty of examples in the journalist world where the Fed biases are abundant and blatant, however the guy does deserve his well earned respect for everything he has achieved, likewise with Djokovic, even if I could not be able to care any less for the latter’s game.
Well, the Fedalovic record will take decades to be put into the back burner because it will take 20 years for the next generation to surpass their achievements.No, it's incumbent on the next generations to push Federer (and Djokodal) out of the discussion as quickly as they can. If the main topic of discussion in 10 years is still Fedalovic, that would be a colossal failure on the part of the current generation.