Vote for the best Open Era Seasons (Men)

Which are the best Open Era seasons (vote for up to 3)


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zvelf

Hall of Fame
Some notes for context:

1969: Rod Laver won the Grand Slam when 3 of the 4 majors were on grass and the Austrlian Open had byes in this era.

1974: Jimmy Connors won all 3 majors that he played. He did not play the French due to the Team Tennis ban. Connors beat Ken Rosewall 6-1, 6-1, 6-0 to win the U.S. Open in the most lopsided major final victory ever.

1979: Bjorn Borg won 2 of the 3 majors he played, losing the U.S. Open quarterfinal to Tanner. As usual, he did not play the Australian Open.

1984: John McEnroe won 2 majors, having lost the French final to Lendl after a 2-0 set lead. He did not play the Australian Open (which was on grass at the time) due to a wrist injury. His 82-3 record is the best for a single season in the Open Era and he started the year with a 42-match win streak.

1986: Ivan Lendl won the French and U.S. Open and lost to Boris Becker in the Wimbledon final and did not play Australia. Lendl won the YEC without dropping a set while beating #4 Edberg, #3 Wilander, and #2 Becker in a row.

2005: Roger Federer won 2 majors and lost in the semifinals in the Australia Open and French Open to Safin and Nadal, respectively.

2006: Roger Federer won 3 majors and lost the French to Nadal. In his 92-5 record, 4 losses were to Nadal and 1 loss was to Murray.

2010: Nadal won 3 majors and went out to Murray in the Australian Open quarterfinals. He swept the clay Masters 1000s for the only time in his career.

2011: Novak Djokovic won 3 majors and lost the French semifinal to Federer. He had a 43-match win streak, the third longest among men in the Open Era, and went 10-1 against Federer and Nadal combined.

2015: Novak Djokovic won 3 majors and lost the French Open final to Wawrinka. He won the World Tour Final for the 4th consecutive season, and reached 15 finals in 16 tournaments played. Djokovic is the only player ever to beat every player in the top 10 in a single year going 31-5 against the top 10 (86%).
 
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socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Federer was 2-4 against Nadal in 2006. If you can’t dominate your main (only?) rival in your best season, hard to call it better than 2015 when Djokovic was BOATing and beating Federer/Nadal handily along with the rest of the tour. Not to mention that he continued his dominance for another 6 months in 2016.
 

Fiero425

Legend
Federer was 2-4 against Nadal in 2006. If you can’t dominate your main (only?) rival in your best season, hard to call it better than 2015 when Djokovic was BOATing and beating Federer/Nadal handily along with the rest of the tour. Not to mention that he continued his dominance for another 6 months in 2016.

Don't forget the record defeating 31 Top 10 players and dropping only 5 or 6 matches to them! These are records that may never be broken with excellence! :cautious: :notworthy::happydevil:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Federer was 2-4 against Nadal in 2006. If you can’t dominate your main (only?) rival in your best season, hard to call it better than 2015 when Djokovic was BOATing and beating Federer/Nadal handily along with the rest of the tour. Not to mention that he continued his dominance for another 6 months in 2016.
Well, 2006 Nadal was better than 2015 Fed anyway.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Federer was 2-4 against Nadal in 2006. If you can’t dominate your main (only?) rival in your best season, hard to call it better than 2015 when Djokovic was BOATing and beating Federer/Nadal handily along with the rest of the tour. Not to mention that he continued his dominance for another 6 months in 2016.

Djokovic couldn't even beat Stan in RG 15. He's going to get his a** kicked thrice over in Bo5 vs 06 prime Nadal on clay. duh.
Also typical of LOLfty to bring up Nadal of 15. LOL.
 

Fiero425

Legend
How is Djokovic 2015 running away with this over a 17 title CYGS season from Laver and Mac's absolute masterpiece of a 1984...

All kinds of records were set in 2015; winning 3 Majors, 6 Masters events, the YEC, and accumulated the most ATP points ever! Laver and McEnroe were geniuses in their own right, but their path was made simpler with limited competition and surface changes! Novak won anywhere and everywhere and truly dominated the tour! Both Laver and McEnroe were pretty much done afterwards; esp. John who never made another major final! Nole actually got better; hence 2018 and 2021! :cautious::-D:D:notworthy::happydevil:
 

Fiero425

Legend
Of course. Whatever Fed does is weak, while whatever Djoko does is GOATY.


I'm not saying that because I like one player over the other! Fed had it easier; that's all there is to it! He's always had a losing record against his top rival while accomplishing all he did early on! It only got worse for him as Nole came into his own in '08 and now threatens to take every single record Federer accumulated! FACTS! :cautious: :rolleyes::-D:notworthy::happydevil:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I'm not saying that because I like one player over the other! Fed had it easier; that's all there is to it! He's always had a losing record against his top rival while accomplishing all he did early on! It only got worse for him as Nole came into his own in '08 and now threatens to take every single record Federer accumulated! FACTS! :cautious: :rolleyes::-D:notworthy::happydevil:
Djoko has had it easy for 8 years and counting now so who cares?
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
All kinds of records were set in 2015; winning 3 Majors, 6 Masters events, the YEC, and accumulated the most ATP points ever! Laver and McEnroe were geniuses in their own right, but their path was made simpler with limited competition and surface changes! Novak won anywhere and everywhere and truly dominated the tour! Both Laver and McEnroe were pretty much done afterwards; esp. John who never made another major final! Nole actually got better; hence 2018 and 2021! :cautious::-D:D:notworthy::happydevil:

Laver's 69 and Mac's 84 had tougher competition than Djoko's 15 and a bigger variety of surfaces.
Also JMac made the USO final in 1985.

Nole didn't get better after 2015.
2018 - Djoko didn't do well till Queens.
2021 is a sucky season competition wise. 2015 Djoko would wipe the floor with/beat 2021 Djoko at every slam.
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
I'm not saying that because I like one player over the other! Fed had it easier; that's all there is to it! He's always had a losing record against his top rival while accomplishing all he did early on! It only got worse for him as Nole came into his own in '08 and now threatens to take every single record Federer accumulated! FACTS! :cautious: :rolleyes::-D:notworthy::happydevil:

2004 was a pretty good year with pretty good competition. As was 2005. Only 2006 was relatively weak among fed's 6 prime years (2004-09).
competition in 2004 > competition in 2015 by a big margin

Fed leads the h2h vs Nadal on both HC (11-9) and grass (3-1) by a clear margin. Its only on clay that he trails by a big margin.
Reality is when there was good competition till 2014 end (2007-2014 with exception of 2010), Djoko won only 7 slams. He's vultured slams in the weakest period in open era : 2015-current.

Out of the top 5 of the open era, all of Borg, Sampras, Federer, Nadal had 10+ slams before turning 28. Djoko had only 8.
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
As far as the question goes:

in terms of achievements: Laver's 69 - the CYGS and winning the biggest HC event - LA PSW.
in terms of dominance: Mac's 84
considering both achievements and level: Fed's 06
 

Fiero425

Legend
2004 was a pretty good year with pretty good competition. As was 2005. Only 2006 was relatively weak among fed's 6 prime years (2004-09).
competition in 2004 > competition in 2015 by a big margin

Fed leads the h2h vs Nadal on both HC (11-9) and grass (3-1) by a clear margin. Its only on clay that he trails by a big margin.
Reality is when there was good competition till 2014 end (2007-2014 with exception of 2010), Djoko won only 7 slams. He's vultured slams in the weakest period in open era : 2015-current.

Out of the top 5 of the open era, all of Borg, Sampras, Federer, Nadal had 10+ slams before turning 28. Djoko had only 8.

Meaning his competition was tougher to get thru, but when he did "Nole zipped" past all the pretenders! :laughing: :D:-D:notworthy::happydevil:
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Meaning his competition was tougher to get thru, but when he did "Nole zipped" past all the pretenders! :laughing: :D:-D:notworthy::happydevil:

Except Fed himself got 8 slams from 2007-2012 and this doesn't even include his 3 best years from 2004-06.

Djoko got weak competition for a long time from 2015-current with 2 gens failing miserably in Bo5 (till now atleast) from 2015 to current - worst gen (Raonic-Nishi-Dimi gen and young gen)
 
As far as the question goes:

in terms of achievements: Laver's 69 - the CYGS and winning the biggest HC event - LA PSW.
in terms of dominance: Mac's 84
considering both achievements and level: Fed's 06
Yes, because thumping endlessly the likes of Robredo, Ljubicic Bagdhatis, Roddick and Blake is a clear prove of a Goat season.:laughing:
 

Fiero425

Legend
I'll take Sampras' 1994 Season personally or Agassi's 1999 season . No HC slams in Laver's day so that makes 1969 overrated. (What kind of Calendar slam is it if its on 2 surfaces? LOL) . Fed's 2006/Nole's 2015 opposition/field was an utter garbage atrocity

I guess you can say the true Golden Age of Tennis in the 90's was with heavy competition from all ranks and countries; Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Lendl, Becker, Edberg, Kuerten, Muster, Cash, & so many others winning multiple majors! It hasn't been that competitive since! :laughing: :D:-D:notworthy::happydevil:
 
I guess you can say the true Golden Age of Tennis in the 90's was with heavy competition from all ranks and countries; Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Becker, Edberg, Kuerten, Muster, Cash, & so many others winning multiple majors! It hasn't been that competitive since! :laughing: :D:-D:notworthy::happydevil:

80s-mid 90s was definitely the golden era of the game never matched before and not matched since. Deepest field, toughest conditions to slog through to win.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
I'll take Sampras' 1994 Season personally or Agassi's 1999 season . No HC slams in Laver's day so that makes 1969 overrated. (What kind of Calendar slam is it if its on 2 surfaces? LOL. Hell Nadal's 2010 season was more impressive than that. ) . Fed's 2006/Nole's 2015 opposition/field was an utter garbage atrocity. Horribly weak.

Agassi 1999 wasn't a strong season competition wise, especially not in RG and USO, the Slams he won. Then he only won one other big title, and that draw wasn't that strong either.
 

Fiero425

Legend
Agassi 1999 wasn't a strong season competition wise, especially not in RG and USO, the Slams he won. Then he only won one other big title, and that draw wasn't that strong either.

When "old man" Agassi was allowed a 2nd and 3rd life in the late 90's; esp. winning those AO, it showed the competition was putrid and waiting for the next great champion! We had to slog thru Agassi, then Hewitt before the crown was deservedly set on the head of Roger; for a little while anyway! :laughing: :D:-D:notworthy::happydevil:
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
He's vultured slams in the weakest period in open era : 2015-current.

Out of the top 5 of the open era, all of Borg, Sampras, Federer, Nadal had 10+ slams before turning 28. Djoko had only 8.
Man this is a propagandist talking point.

a) Djokovic started his career in a really, really, really tough era (not defending his retirements and losses, but still) - 07-12 including years when he only lost to prime Fedal is tougher than the other 4.

b) the point fails to mention that unlike Borg, Sampras, and Federer who slowed down around then, Djokovic was playing supreme tennis at age 28-29 ...

c) this point only makes sense if you want to argue that Djoko's 15-16 levels were inferior and he simply vultured the 5 slams in that time, and the only one I could say that about is maybe FO '16.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
When "old man" Agassi was allowed a 2nd and 3rd life om the late 90's; esp. winning those AO, it showed the competition was putrid and waiting for the next great champion! We had to slog thru Agassi, then Hewitt before the crown was deservedly set on the head of Roger; for a little while anyway! :laughing: :D:-D:notworthy::happydevil:

The competition in 1999 was definitely less than what we have today. Look at Agassi's RG and USO draws in that year compared to Djokovic's this year, and compare the level of play. It was really in 1998 that the level of competition took a nose dive. There were parts of 1997 that were weak too but that Kuerten run at RG was magical. AO, Wimbledon and USO were forgettable though. I was more interested watching young Hingis in that year. Lol.
 

Fiero425

Legend
The competition in 1999 was definitely less than what we have today. Look at Agassi's RG and USO draws in that year compared to Djokovic's this year, and compare the level of play. It was really in 1998 that the level of competition took a nose dive. There were parts of 1997 that were weak too but that Kuerten run at RG was magical. AO, Wimbledon and USO were forgettable though. I was more interested watching young Hingis in that year. Lol.

I couldn't have been happier with Hingis taking the spotlight and dominating the WTA as a little girl in '97! I still remember I was living out in California and she was the 1st woman to make the cover of Esquire Magazine IIRC holding a small piece of cloth or hankerchief over her naked body! Too bad she couldn't complete her CYGS in '97 dropping the FO final! She did accomplish a CYGS in doubles though the following year! :rolleyes: :laughing::notworthy::happydevil:
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
I couldn't have been happier with Hingis taking the spotlight and dominating the WTA as a little girl in '97! I still remember I was living out in California and she was the 1st woman to make the cover of Esquire Magazine IIRC holding a small piece of cloth or hankerchief over her naked body! Too bad she couldn't complete her CYGS in '97 dropping the FO final! She did accomplish a CYGS in doubles though the following year! :rolleyes: :laughing::notworthy::happydevil:

I remember the '97 RG final because it was close to summer and we were with my uncle who was in the Air Force, and he would rent a cabin every year on the military campgrounds for a week or two and we would do a lot of fishing. I caught a big catfish that year and I remember I kept taking breaks to catch glimpses of that match. I was hoping she would beat Majoli but she lost. It was beyond interesting seeing a young girl dominate like that.
 

Fiero425

Legend
I remember the '97 RG final because it was close to summer and we were with my uncle who was in the Air Force, and he would rent a cabin every year on the military campgrounds for a week or two and we would do a lot of fishing. I caught a big catfish that year and I remember I kept taking breaks to catch glimpses of that match. I was hoping she would beat Majoli but she lost. It was beyond interesting seeing a young girl dominate like that.

She had an excuse at the ready though; injured falling off a horse before French Open! :cautious: :D:-D:laughing::notworthy::happydevil:
 
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Deleted member 779124

Guest
Man this is a propagandist talking point.

a) Djokovic started his career in a really, really, really tough era (not defending his retirements and losses, but still) - 07-12 including years when he only lost to prime Fedal is tougher than the other 4.

b) the point fails to mention that unlike Borg, Sampras, and Federer who slowed down around then, Djokovic was playing supreme tennis at age 28-29 ...

c) this point only makes sense if you want to argue that Djoko's 15-16 levels were inferior and he simply vultured the 5 slams in that time, and the only one I could say that about is maybe FO '16.

Djokovic played at a high level in this one IMHO.
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic played at a high level in this one IMHO.
He did for sure but I remember the prevailing narrative at that time was that he got really lucky Murray beat Wawrinka in the semis or else it was another loss.

Not sure how fair that one is but IMO his WB/USO/AO wins in the NCYGS are about as bulletproof as he has in his entire career from a level perspective.
 

Fiero425

Legend
He did for sure but I remember the prevailing narrative at that time was that he got really lucky Murray beat Wawrinka in the semis or else it was another loss.

Not sure how fair that one is but IMO his WB/USO/AO wins in the NCYGS are about as bulletproof as he has in his entire career from a level perspective.

It would have changed the numbers so much! Murray wouldn't have been able to catch up in the YE Ranking's race for #1! Nole's mind would be more clear for competing at Wimbledon if he were to drop another FO and not complete that Nole-Slam! So many things would be different but for Stan not getting past Murray in that SF match! :cautious:
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Disappointed you didn't mention 2015 when Fabio defeated Rafa at the USO and made the fourth round!

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Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Laver's CYGS season is pretty clearly the top pick which is why it's kinda sad to see it below Fed's 2006 and Djokovic's 2015 seasons.

Mac's 1984 season is also an easy one to put up there. Yes, two Slams looks a bit odd next to these three-Slam season, but he missed the AO as many top players did back in those days and his dominance over his peers and win percentage were some of the best ever. And that Wimbledon performance is also up there with the best from Pete and Fed imo. He did blow the RG final, though, and I think winning that one would actually have given him a legitimate case for 1984 being a greater season than Laver's. As it is, though, it's still top 5 easily.

I think it's a razor-thin margin between the next two: Federer 2006 and Djokovic 2015. The only difference between those seasons is the presence of Nadal in the clay season. Both won three Slams, both made it to the final of the fourth, both won the ATP Finals, both had good performances in the clay season, both had high winning percentages, and both were strong against the top 10. The only difference is Djokovic winning two clay court Masters to Fed's none (they both won the same number of hard court Masters). I think this definitely comes down to Nadal being a legitimate factor in the 2006 clay season as opposed to 2015. I mean, Fed played pretty well in MC 2006 and very well in the Rome 2006 final which I think would have been more than enough to give him the MC and Rome 2015 trophies.

Likewise, do we think Djokovic would have it in him to take down Nadal on clay in 2006? He didn't play super well in the MC final (although his Rome final was pretty solid) and a Nadal with the insane movement he had on clay back in 2006 would be a tough obstacle for anyone to overcome. I mean, it took one of Fed's best matches on clay to stretch him to five at Rome. Novak would need to call on his 2011 clay Masters form to take down that Nadal, and I'm just not sure he reached those same heights in 2015. Personally, I believe 2015 Djokovic and 2006 Fed are about even on clay, and there's not really much in it. My decision between them just comes down to my opinion that Fed played the Slams better. AO and RG are fairly close between the two: I'd give AO to Djokovic slightly (he wasn't super good in the 2015 AO compared with his best versions) and RG a wash. Wimbledon and the US Open pretty clearly belong to Federer, though, even if Djokovic played well in both events. I think that's what decides it.

On the topic of 2011... Novak was even better there than in 2015 up until the US Open, but what knocks this season down a peg is the fall season. Djokovic suffered an injury in the US Open final and I think that contributed to his poor form afterwards, culminating in a RR exit at the ATP Finals. Put it this way: of Djokovic's six losses in 2011, four of them occurred between September and November. The rest of his season (especially the first half when he went on that winning streak) was so, so good that it gains a spot in this discussion, but in a game of literal inches, his disappointing finish is enough to disqualify him from the top spots. As far as Slams go, he might have been at the level of 2006 Federer while 2015 really wasn't.

Connors's 1974 season looks impressive (especially on that win percentage), but he played A LOT of smaller US tournaments which helped to boost his numbers a bit. According to UTS, that's a total of 11 small tournaments paired with three Slams (the really impressive bit) and Los Angeles, a bigger tournament. Interestingly, UTS also rates his 1976 season higher for some reason.

Fed's 2005 season was really, really good. Fundamentally, he played at around the same level as 2006 for the most part, but he missed out on the AO because Safin had to play a phenomenal match to take him down. Thus, two Slams. His win rate of 81-4 (and to think he was inches away from that number looking something like 85-2) is what stands out the most here; that's just some insane consistency. Unfortunately, he injured himself in the fall season which resulted in his skipping of the last two Masters and a relatively mediocre YEC performance which is the only genuine blemish I can put on this season.

Fed's 2004 season was a great season all around but that RG loss immediately disqualifies it from the top spots IMO even if Kuerten did roll back the years a bit. Additionally, he had a few rough losses here that he didn't have in 2005 and 2006. At the other three Slams and the YEC, though, he was about as good as you can get.

I don't personally think the others are worth too much consideration for this discussion, although they still are great seasons in their own right.
 

thrust

Legend
Really this is just pick 3 between Laver 69, Mac 84, Fed 06 and Novak 15. I can't really see an argument for any of the others breaking through.
For me, Novak's H-H vs peak Federer and Nadal in 11 was incredibly awesome. Also, Nole was injured after the USO and did not play much the rest of the year, if I recall correctly.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Mac's 1984 season is also an easy one to put up there. Yes, two Slams looks a bit odd next to these three-Slam season, but he missed the AO as many top players did back in those days and his dominance over his peers and win percentage were some of the best ever. And that Wimbledon performance is also up there with the best from Pete and Fed imo. He did blow the RG final, though, and I think winning that one would actually have given him a legitimate case for 1984 being a greater season than Laver's. As it is, though, it's still top 5 easily.

Mac also won the YEC which was the 4th most important event of the year.
Also Mac didn't blow the RG final. He just couldn't keep up the heights of the 1st 2 sets and Lendl raised his level.


Likewise, do we think Djokovic would have it in him to take down Nadal on clay in 2006? He didn't play super well in the MC final (although his Rome final was pretty solid) and a Nadal with the insane movement he had on clay back in 2006 would be a tough obstacle for anyone to overcome.

I assume by this you mean Djokovic didn't play super well in the MC final in 15? Because Nadal played an excellent MC final in 2006.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Man this is a propagandist talking point.

a) Djokovic started his career in a really, really, really tough era (not defending his retirements and losses, but still) - 07-12 including years when he only lost to prime Fedal is tougher than the other 4.

b) the point fails to mention that unlike Borg, Sampras, and Federer who slowed down around then, Djokovic was playing supreme tennis at age 28-29 ...

c) this point only makes sense if you want to argue that Djoko's 15-16 levels were inferior and he simply vultured the 5 slams in that time, and the only one I could say that about is maybe FO '16.

Look at the context I was responding to. Praising Djoko's top 10 record in 2015 while lampooning fed's unbeaten top 10 record in 2004.
its more than an appropriate response to saying top 10 in 2004 was weak or that fed had it so easy before 2008.

Also Fed won 8 slams in 07-12 - that same really really tough era.
As opposed to Djoko winning 7 slams from 07-14 (or 08-14 if you prefer)

Even if we give Djoko till 2015 end, its 10 slams and lesser than any of the others.

I have no problem saying 2006 was relatively weak or fed had 2 easy draws in 17-18 when he won 3 slams.
FFS multiple Nole fans have been going saying 2021 was decent (LOLworthy statement as far as slams go)
I've had enough of this BS putting down of fed's competition as weak in years when it wasn't and the BS from many of the Djoko fans.

Also Federer played well in 3 of the 4 slams when he was 28-29 (USO 09, AO 10, RG 10). Only Wim 10 was below par.
 
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King No1e

G.O.A.T.
I think Laver's 69 has to stand alone in its own league. CYGS isn't something you see often, as this year has proven.

Beyond that I've gotta call it Mac 84 and Djokovic 15. Djokovic was marginally better than Fed's 06 IMO because of the top 10 wins he racked up and reaching every final he made except for Doha. Honorable mention to Connors's 1974 though. Didn't lose a single Slam match and would've probably won the CYGS had he not been banned from RG.

For pure playing level, however, I have to go with Djokovic's 2011. This one is more based on my good old eye test than any hard science. He had peak Nadal, prime Murray, and Federer who had still not yet completely faded into his twilight years. And he absolutely dominated that field.
 
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