How weird would it be if Nadal ends up going 26-0 at Slams this year, despite having 2 of his serious injuries - broken rib, torn stomach - ever....

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On one hand its bad luck to have those injuries, since both of them came unexpectedly and he last had the torn stomach in 2009, and has never had a broken rib before.
But on the other hand its extremely lucky that the injuries came without interrupting his slam events, apart from Wimbledon, but still racked up 5 wins there so it was a good Wimbledon.....
Whereas he's had other years of being almost injury-free, or just the knee tendinitis, and only won 3 slams once - 2010.
He's definitely due for some luck or good timing, as he's missed the US Open in 2012, 2014, 2020 and 2021, so is especially deserving of tying the US Open record of 5 (held by Connors, Sampras, Federer).
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Where is the luck? None of the injuries helped with a slam win. Maybe the long lay off helped before AO, but even then it ruined his RG last year and took away the chance for him to compete at WIM and USO. This year the rib injury helped nothing and the foot flaring up before RG almost made him retire. The abdominal then ruined his WIM and possibly his USO. If he does win USO, nothing about the 26-0 would be luck. Only match I think he got lucky was AO against Shapo and that was mainly because Shapo beat himself and Rafa was there for the taking.
 
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Rafa the King said:
Where is the luck? None of the injuries helped with a slam win. Maybe the long lay off helped before AO, but even then it ruined his RG last year and took away the chance for him to compete at WIM and USO. This year the rib injury helped nothing and the foot flaring up before RG almost made him retire. The abdominal then ruined his WIM and possibly his USO. If he does win USO, nothing about the 26-0 would be luck. Only match I think he got lucky was AO against Shapo and that was mainly because Shapo beat himself and Rafa was there for the taking.
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"On one hand its bad luck to have those injuries, since both of them came unexpectedly and he last had the torn stomach in 2009, and has never had a broken rib before :happydevil:
But on the other hand its extremely lucky that the injuries came without interrupting his slam events, apart from Wimbledon, but still racked up 5 wins there so it was a good Wimbledon....."
If I told you at the start of the year that Nadal would fracture a rib, and tear his stomach, you wouldn't be thinking 3 slams, or even 2 slams....
 
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taylor15 said:
Doesn’t a walkover count as a loss?
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Not in the H2H, no :happydevil:
His H2H vs. Kyrgios did not change.
Also, Nadal's W/L record on his ATP profile shows they didn't count Wimbledon as a loss.
 
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But yeah, just another piece of proof of the weak era. At this point we should just stop counting slams altogether. At least Wimby this year doesn't count but not because of the weak era.
 
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Adv. Edberg said:
But yeah, just another piece of proof of the weak era. At this point we should just stop counting slams altogether. At least Wimby this year doesn't count but not because of the weak era.
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Depends on what you think of Medvedev, because if Medvedev had kept that break in the 3rd Set, he'd have beaten Nadal at the AO after beating Djokovic at the USO Final....both in straight sets :happydevil:
In my opinion, Medvedev will win A LOT of hardcourt slams, and probably win Roland Garros too, since he's winning most of his RG matches in straight sets for the last 2 years.
 
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If Nadal has won Wimbledon this year, it'd actually hurt his legacy, because his slam tally would not be fully legit.
So its good that Nadal stayed away from that non-Open title, but still was able to use it to rack up the 19-0 :happydevil:
 
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thepaint19 said:
Depends on what you think of Medvedev, because if Medvedev had kept that break in the 3rd Set, he'd have beaten Nadal at the AO after beating Djokovic at the USO Final....both in straight sets :happydevil:
In my opinion, Medvedev will win A LOT of hardcourt slams, and probably win Roland Garros too, since he's winning most of his RG matches in straight sets for the last 2 years.
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Lol at Medvedev winning RG
 
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thepaint19 said:
Depends on what you think of Medvedev, because if Medvedev had kept that break in the 3rd Set, he'd have beaten Nadal at the AO after beating Djokovic at the USO Final....both in straight sets :happydevil:
In my opinion, Medvedev will win A LOT of hardcourt slams, and probably win Roland Garros too, since he's winning most of his RG matches in straight sets for the last 2 years.
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And just look at his technique, he's like a club player.
 
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thepaint19 said:
Not in the H2H, no :happydevil:
His H2H vs. Kyrgios did not change.
And Djokovic losing to Medvedev in straight sets last year, definitely makes Djokovic's 2021 look worse than Nadal going 26-0.
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Nadal didn't make the final of Wimbledon. What are you talking about?
 
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GabeT said:
Lol, what? Even if he wins the USO he still trails Novak’s 2021.
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Djokovic lost in straight sets in the US Open Final, making his 27-1 inferior to Nadal's pending 26-0 :happydevil:
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Nadal didn't make the final of Wimbledon. What are you talking about?
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"And Djokovic losing to Medvedev in straight sets last year, definitely makes Djokovic's 2021 look worse than Nadal going 26-0."
When did I say Nadal made the Final of Wimbledon?
Djokovic's straight sets loss in the US Open Final put a stain in his year far worse than Nadal going 5-0 at Wimbledon.
 
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thepaint19 said:
Djokovic lost in straight sets in the US Open Final, making his 27-1 inferior to Nadal's pending 26-0 :happydevil:

"And Djokovic losing to Medvedev in straight sets last year, definitely makes Djokovic's 2021 look worse than Nadal going 26-0."
When did I say Nadal made the Final of Wimbledon?
Djokovic's straight sets loss in the US Open Final put a stain in his year far worse than Nadal going 5-0 at Wimbledon.
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Everyone knows that Nadal’s record includes a match he didn’t compete in, so no it does not look worse. That’s why you can only talk pure numbers in your post because you don’t want to talk about how they were achieved. But you don’t have to: we all saw Nadal withdraw and miss a Wimbledon final.

Ask me about my losses in slams. I’m undefeated as well lol.

A perfect record that includes a walkover is meaningless.
 
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thepaint19 said:
Djokovic lost in straight sets in the US Open Final, making his 27-1 inferior to Nadal's pending 26-0 :happydevil:

"And Djokovic losing to Medvedev in straight sets last year, definitely makes Djokovic's 2021 look worse than Nadal going 26-0."
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lol, no. Novak reached all four finals. End of story.
 
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Tony48 said:
Everyone knows that Nadal’s record includes a match he didn’t compete in, so no it does not look worse. That’s why you can only talk pure numbers in your post because you don’t want to talk about how they were achieved. But you don’t have to: we all saw Nadal withdraw and miss a Wimbledon final.

Ask me about my losses in slams. I’m undefeated as well lol.

A perfect record that includes a walkover is meaningless.
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5-0 at Wimbledon, that's the bottom line :happydevil:
Its more impressive than 6-1 at the US Open, especially when the loss was in straight sets....
If Djokovic looked competitive in the US Open Final, then it'd be debatable.
 
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GabeT said:
Lol, such weak trolling
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How can you claim Djokovic had a better year when he lost in straight sets at the US Open Final?
If Nadal wins the US Open, then its no contest, Nadal had the better year :happydevil:
 
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thepaint19 said:
That's not how it works.
:happydevil: 26-0 vs. 27-1 and the worst loss of his career.
We all know which is better....
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I disagree tbh. Forget what happened in the final. How did the respective SFs go?

2021 - Djokovic beats Zverev who won Olympics+Cincy and had been in good form coming in, tough 5 setter
2022 - Nadal grants walkover to Kyrgios

So how can you put that over 2021?

It’s more unfortunate to Nadal sure but winning a match >>>> missing it to injury, always.
 
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Kralingen said:
I disagree tbh. Forget what happened in the final. How did the SF go?
2021 - Djokovic beats Zverev who won Olympics+Cincy and had been in good form coming in, tough 5 setter
2022 - Nadal grants walkover to Kyrgios

It’s more unfortunate to Nadal sure but winning a match >>>> missing it to injury, always.
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Forget the Final? Nah, nobody will forget 64 64 64 :happydevil:
Whereas nobody even knows who the best player at Wimbledon was.
There is no proof that Kyrgios or Djokovic would have beaten Nadal.
The only thing we learned at Wimbledon, is that Kyrgios had a lucky draw, and Djokovic got even more lucky.
 
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Kralingen said:
Tennis is about what you do, not what you don’t do.

Ergo 27 wins > 26 wins. Very simple.
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Wrong. If you had to choose between Djokovic's year and Nadal's year, you'd much rather have Nadal's year.
The loss is relevant, whether you like it or not :happydevil:
 
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thepaint19 said:
Wrong. If you had to choose between Djokovic's year and Nadal's year, you'd much rather have Nadal's year.
The loss is relevant, whether you like it or not :happydevil:
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I disagree bc I could have at least hedged if I had Djokovic CYGS bets. At the end of the day he got the chance to play for a CYGS.

Nadal will not get that chance and importantly he ****ed over my CYGS bets bc he didn’t allow me to hedge.

So yes, Djokovic’s year is superior.

Like it or not, Djokovic won an extra match against a tough opponent in Zverev; Nadal did not win that match.

That is an undeniable fact, except in your delusional brain, end of discussion, don’t @ me.
 
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Kralingen said:
I disagree bc I could have at least hedged if I had Djokovic CYGS bets. At the end of the day he got the chance to play for a CYGS.

Nadal will not get that chance and importantly he ****ed over my CYGS bets bc he didn’t allow me to hedge.

So yes, Djokovic’s year is superior.

Like it or not, Djokovic won an extra match against a tough opponent in Zverev; Nadal did not win that match.

That is an undeniable fact, except in your delusional brain, end of discussion, don’t @ me.
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If you want to talk trash, go and do it on your own thread, not on mine :happydevil:
If you think the worst loss of Djokovic's career (2021 US Open Final) makes his year better than Nadal's..... you are allowed to have that opinion.
But that's all it is.... an opinion. The question I have is, why are you so insecure? Why is your opinion not enough?

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I think he’s had an abdominal injury a few years ago that prevented him from competing during the indoor season
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Definitely in 2009, he tore his abdominal in the North American Summer, but he still ended up playing the World Tour Finals (and lost every match in straight sets).
thepaint19 said:
"On one hand its bad luck to have those injuries, since both of them came unexpectedly and he last had the torn stomach in 2009, and has never had a broken rib before :happydevil:
But on the other hand its extremely lucky that the injuries came without interrupting his slam events, apart from Wimbledon, but still racked up 5 wins there so it was a good Wimbledon....."
If I told you at the start of the year that Nadal would fracture a rib, and tear his stomach, you wouldn't be thinking 3 slams, or even 2 slams....
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thepaint19 said:
If you want to talk trash, go and do it on your own thread, not on mine :happydevil:
If you think the worst loss of Djokovic's career (2021 US Open Final) makes his year better than Nadal's..... you are allowed to have that opinion.
But that's all it is.... an opinion. The question I have is, why are you so insecure? Why is your opinion not enough?
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thepaint19 said:
On one hand its bad luck to have those injuries, since both of them came unexpectedly and he last had the torn stomach in 2009, and has never had a broken rib before.
But on the other hand its extremely lucky that the injuries came without interrupting his slam events, apart from Wimbledon, but still racked up 5 wins there so it was a good Wimbledon.....
Whereas he's had other years of being almost injury-free, or just the knee tendinitis, and only won 3 slams once - 2010.
He's definitely due for some luck or good timing, as he's missed the US Open in 2012, 2014, 2020 and 2021, so is especially deserving of tying the US Open record of 5 (held by Connors, Sampras, Federer).
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I think he’s had an abdominal injury a few years ago that prevented him from competing during the indoor season
 
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It would be great but Still wouln't be anywhere near Djokovic's 2021. He was 1 match away from the CYGS. Nadal was 9 matches away. Even if he wins the USO he will still be 9 matches away. It would be as good as 2010 when he won 3 slams, but he was never close to matching Laver's 1969 unlike Djokovic.

Other major difference, in 2021 Djokovic won his weakest slam with Nadal in the draw (he even beat him). Nadal won his weakest Slam without Djokovic. Didn't have to beat him and he wasn't even in the draw.

Other major difference, Djokovic won his last 5 AO matches with a 27mm abdominal tear. Straight-setted Medvedev in the final with that tear. Nadal had a 7mm tear and he chickened out. He could have played. He didn't because it wasn't his favorite slam and Djokovic was still in the draw.
 
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thepaint19 said:
Djokovic lost in straight sets in the US Open Final, making his 27-1 inferior to Nadal's pending 26-0 :happydevil:

"And Djokovic losing to Medvedev in straight sets last year, definitely makes Djokovic's 2021 look worse than Nadal going 26-0."
When did I say Nadal made the Final of Wimbledon?
Djokovic's straight sets loss in the US Open Final put a stain in his year far worse than Nadal going 5-0 at Wimbledon.
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Kralingen said:
I disagree bc I could have at least hedged if I had Djokovic CYGS bets. At the end of the day he got the chance to play for a CYGS.

Nadal will not get that chance and importantly he ****ed over my CYGS bets bc he didn’t allow me to hedge.

So yes, Djokovic’s year is superior.

Like it or not, Djokovic won an extra match against a tough opponent in Zverev; Nadal did not win that match.

That is an undeniable fact, except in your delusional brain, end of discussion, don’t @ me.
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Winning AO/FO/Wimbledon and then reaching USO final is a big deal. No one did that since Laver. No one else was 1 match away from a CYGS since Laver.

Good for Nadal if he wins USO but he will still be MILES away from a potential CYGS.

People also forget that Nadal was never even close to a NCYGS. Djokovic put himself in that position 3 times and he converted one. Nadal was still 3 matches away from a NCYGS in AO 2011 and he never came that close ever again.
 
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thepaint19 said:
5-0 at Wimbledon, that's the bottom line :happydevil:
Its more impressive than 6-1 at the US Open, especially when the loss was in straight sets....
If Djokovic looked competitive in the US Open Final, then it'd be debatable.
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I don’t even know what you are talking about anymore.
 
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