ATP points for Davis Cup matches ?!

ATP points in Davis Cup ?


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vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
The ITF, which is another federation which controls national federations and which the Grand Slams are members of, is helping us with the Davis Cup schedule. We've been trying to schedule the Davis Cup in better weeks that make it easier for the players to play, so you don't have a situation where you are playing in Europe one week and then flying across the world to play Davis Cup in Chile the following week. And in another change it looks like we'll earn points for winning Davis Cup matches.
from ljubicic's blog at madrid
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/blog/ljubicic.asp

what do you think about it ?

i don't really like the idea of mixing points and such a team competition... well, maybe it could help to have more top players playing davis cup, but i think it's uneasy to make a system with a "fair distribution" of points because some countries have many top players while other countries have only one, or because of the different groups and the level of the players that you face, etc.
 

pabloJD

Rookie
Rankings try to reflect how good a player is in comparison to other players, so why not add points for a good performance at Davis Cup?
I don't know how will they allocate points, however.
And it shouldn't count as a mandatory events because it's not a tournament that anybody can win (it depends on if your country is in the world group, on how your teammates perform, etc)
 

rfprse

Professional
I don't think that it's fair to assign points to davis cup matches.
The nationality of a player would be too big a factor in getting the points from davis cup matches.

Being born at the right time at the right place (so that he ends up having the strong enough teammates) shouldn't be by itself an advantage for someone's individual accomplishment such as ranking points.
 
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Max G.

Legend
Being born at the right time at the right place (so that he ends up having the strong enough teammates) shouldn't be by itself an advantage for someone's individual accomplishment such as ranking points.

Well, if it's structured right, then it won't be an advantage - it would just replace some other tournament that the player would otherwise count towards his ranking. If done right, that provides a stronger incentive for players to view it as "I can play davis cup instead of some other tournament", instead of viewing it as a burden for the sake of country pride. Sure, those players would have one more tournament to choose from, but I don't think that's enough of an "advantage" to worry about.

I'm curious as to how they are planning to do it though - I can't easily imagine a system that is both fair and useful. But if they do, good for them - it seems like it could be possible.
 

JW10S

Hall of Fame
I think it's a good idea. It may encourage top players from small countries to play more DC. Also I believe every match played should count for a player's world ranking.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
^^ I agree. Because as it stands the best players of small countries just don't show up for DCup competes because they are busy playing US college matches or futures or something.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
^^ Shouldn't you then just trust my informed opinion and vote for "good idea"?

P.S. Guess who is Hall of Fame?:)
 

Zets147

Banned
More like Hall of Lame.

It's my procrastination at work. I have a Psychology test tomorrow. and I have only studied 1/9 of it.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
^^ Oh why you say that, because you already belong there hehe...:confused: :D ;)

P.S. This forum is a good place to study for Psych, cause there's a bunch of psychos here you can study.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
^^ Right on - I hope Shamu's team loses to the Americans, because he just isn't very good is he.
 

rfprse

Professional
Well, if it's structured right, then it won't be an advantage - it would just replace some other tournament that the player would otherwise count towards his ranking. If done right, that provides a stronger incentive for players to view it as "I can play davis cup instead of some other tournament", instead of viewing it as a burden for the sake of country pride. Sure, those players would have one more tournament to choose from, but I don't think that's enough of an "advantage" to worry about.

I'm curious as to how they are planning to do it though - I can't easily imagine a system that is both fair and useful. But if they do, good for them - it seems like it could be possible.

I think that's a big "if". Of course, if they come up with a fair point structure effective as an incentive, good for them.
However, probably due to my lack of imagination, I don't see how they'll come up with a fair and effective structure.

If they want to provide a strong incentive, they'll have to assign a significant amount of points (as you mentioned, enough to compensate the points he would get from a tournament he would have played)
and also probably to assign different points for the matches of the different rounds/groups: higher the rounds/groups, higher the points.
Then, the stronger the team where a player belong, the more chances for him to earn points (probably with less effort in terms of number of matches to win to earn the same points from a tournament).

So, it's not fair to the players who would have no chance to even advance to the world group, or whose best possible result would be just the annual first round elimination. (e.g. the players like Baghdatis, Gulbis, Lee, Niminen, Horna, Dancevic, maybe Murray,...,etc.)
The regular tournaments are in principle open to anyone depending on his own ability.
The chances to play Davis cup matches are not.
 

pabloJD

Rookie
So, it's not fair to the players who would have no chance to even advance to the world group, or whose best possible result would be just the annual first round elimination. (e.g. the players like Baghdatis, Gulbis, Lee, Niminen, Horna, Dancevic, maybe Murray,...,etc.)
The regular tournaments are in principle open to anyone depending on his own ability.
The chances to play Davis cup matches are not.

You're right, of course. But if a player had a great performance at Davis Cup, wouldn't you want that to be showed in the rankings? It would also be unfair to that player if it wasn't. So points in DC has an upside an a downside in terms of fairness to rankings. Add that it's an useful incentive for all players to take part and I really think that the good is more than the bad in this idea.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
That's totally unfair.I am full against it.

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be sure our great leader will come back with even more surprises for us !
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