ITA indoor individual championships in Virginia, nice website.

Fedace

Fedace

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OK NIce website but NO webcam. that really sucks, this is supposedly the one of the best fan supported tennis programs in the country and yet they have no webcam. Shame on them. anyway, they do have a scoreboard but it isn't always kept up to the minute.
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Alex Clayton goes down in 1st round for Stanford, that really sucked. I find it strange that there is so many Upsets in the 1st round. Several other seeds went down as well. oh well, at least it will make for a GREAT consolation bracket, anyway.:)
 
Joeyg

Joeyg

Semi-Pro
Can you even read a draw, doctor? Clayton was the ONLY seed to go out in the first round.
 
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10isDad

Hall of Fame
Joeyg said:
Can you even read a draw, doctor? Clayton was the ONLY seed to go out in the first round.
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Can you?

Singles: Men's side: Kronauge & Clayton. Women's side: McDowell, Gloria & Rose.

4 other players probably qualifies as "several" since it's 1/4 of the 16 total singles seeds.

Dubs: 3 of the 8 total seeds lost in the first round.
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
Kronauge didn't lose. He's in the final right now against his teammate. Clayton was the only mens singles seed to lose 1st round. And if Snugg loses the backdraw final, Clayton gets the wooden spoon award for the entire tournament. Go Stanford!
 
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OleNole

Rookie
Kronauge didn't lose in the 1st round, but J.P Smith (preseason #10) did, to Kronauge's OSU teammate Steve Moneke. I don't know how that team isn't number 1. Their doubles are stacked, and they have three top twenty singles players (Kronauge, Koniecko, Moneke). And you've got to love that they're doing this with only two foreigners on the roster.
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
Yup, OSU is the team to beat this year, IMO. I think their top 3 are #8, #9 and #11 or #12. They also had a new guy make it through pre-qualies, qualies and win a round at the All-Americans. (Balazs is his name I think) At the Indoors, no team had more than 1 player in the quarters, and OSU had 3.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
Lindsay said:
Yup, OSU is the team to beat this year, IMO. I think their top 3 are #8, #9 and #11 or #12. They also had a new guy make it through pre-qualies, qualies and win a round at the All-Americans. (Balazs is his name I think) At the Indoors, no team had more than 1 player in the quarters, and OSU had 3.
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NOT,,, Stanford is the team to beat this year. There is no other division 1 program that has stronger lineup than stanford. #1 thru #6, everyone is good to Great. Names like Ryan Thacher, Alex Clayton, Bradley Klahn, Rich Wire, Matt Bruch, Greg Hirschman brings fear in any team that goes against them. Ryan Thacher and Bradley Klahn would play #1 in any other program other than Stanford, in division 1 college.:)
 
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phamster

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Fedace said:
NOT,,, Stanford is the team to beat this year. There is no other division 1 program that has stronger lineup that stanford. #1 thru #6, everyone is good to Great. Names like Ryan Thacher, Alex Clayton, Bradley Klahn, Rich Wire, Matt Bruch, Greg Hirschman brings fear in any team that goes against them. Ryan Thacher and Bradley Klahn would play #1 in any other program other than Stanford, in division 1 college.:)
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fedace,

you know your stuff !!!

phamster
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
Fedace said:
NOT,,, Stanford is the team to beat this year. There is no other division 1 program that has stronger lineup that stanford. #1 thru #6, everyone is good to Great. Names like Ryan Thacher, Alex Clayton, Bradley Klahn, Rich Wire, Matt Bruch, Greg Hirschman brings fear in any team that goes against them. Ryan Thacher and Bradley Klahn would play #1 in any other program other than Stanford, in division 1 college.:)
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Let me get this straight...just because YOU think they're the best, they are? How did they do overall at the All-Americans, Indoors....? What are the rankings of their top players, do they have as many in the top 15 as OSU? Where are the results to back up your thoughts? Clayton lost back to back at the Indoors...and that's the best they have. Sounds like a let down to me.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
Lindsay said:
Let me get this straight...just because YOU think they're the best, they are? How did they do overall at the All-Americans, Indoors....? What are the rankings of their top players, do they have as many in the top 15 as OSU? Where are the results to back up your thoughts? Clayton lost back to back at the Indoors...and that's the best they have. Sounds like a let down to me.
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Alex isn't in top form at the moment. He is saving himself for the NCAA championships next year. Even if their top guys lose, and this won't happen often, their guys at #3 to #6 spots are stronger than any other teams. Ryan Thacher, Rich Wire, Matt Bruch-healthy matt Bruch, can beat up on any other guys at those spots. :)
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
phamster said:
fedace,

you know your stuff !!!

phamster
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Thank you Pham. Believe it or not, Ryan Thacher could be better than all the other guys on the Stanford team. When he is healthy again, he could surpass, alex Clayton and claim the #1 spot. He is that good.:)
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
I did a little furthur research:

All-American Championships:
Richard Wire(Stanford)- Lost 1st Round
Alex Clayton(Stanford) Lost in Rd of 16 as 4 seed
Bradley Klahn(Stanford)- Lost in Rd of 32
Justin Kronauge(OSU)- Lost in Rd of 16 as 8 seed
Steven Moneke(OSU)- Lost in Quarters as 11 seed
Shehei Uzawa(OSU) Lost 1st Round
Balazs Novak(OSU) Lost 1st Round
Bryan Koniecko(OSU)- Lost in Rd of 32 as 9 seed
Bryan Koneicko-Justin Kronauge(OSU)- Lost in Rd of 16
Steven Moneke-Balazs Novak(OSU) - Lost in Quarters
Stanford had no teams qualify for doubles

National Indoors:
Bryan Koniecko(OSU) In finals as #8 seed
Justin Kronauge(OSU) In finals as #7 seed
Steven Moneke(OSU) Lost in quarters unseeded
Alex Clayton(Stanford) Lost back to back as #4 seed

Wow, you're right Fedace, its clear Stanford is superior!!!
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
^^^INDIVIDUAL results. i am talking about team. Stanford as a TEAM is stronger than any other up and down the lineup. and Ryan Thacher hasn't even played yet. rest of the NCAA division 1 teams have surprise coming.
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
I think you're confusing tennis with other sports. Its not like basketball in the sense that Kobe Bryant can make up for the fact that the center sucks. Line 1 is just as important as line 6, and they're each worth the same # of points- 1! They play at the same time, on separate courts. Its much more of an individual sport than you're giving it credit. I can't imagine any teams beating OSU at lines 1-4. And while Stanford has a lot of good players, its been years since they've been able to field their best team because of injuries. No matter what the reason, OSU is playing much better than Stanford NOW, and probably in the future.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
Ohio state does not match up well with Stanford. I say at any one of those spots from #1 to #6, STanford would win, it would be a toss up. Alex Clayton can destroy Bryan Koniecko, short nerd boy. and Thacher and Klahn would take out #2 and #3 of Ohio state on any given day.
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
How do you know this? Just your opinion? You make it sound like fact, but you have no result to back it up.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
I have seen Bryan Koniecko play and seen what he is capable of. Nice results this week but his game doesn't match up well with top guys with power game. He gets overpowered easily by power players. and other guys like Kronauge, yea he is a nice player but i would put my money on Ryan Thacher anyday. Ryan is top 5 Junior to have come out of 18's division. He will take out Kronauge in straight sets.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
^^I know but since his Junior days, he has done exactly nothing. His game has not improved. he has toped out while others are getting better everyday
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
Yea, you're right....he's no good.

Big 10 Freshman of the Year
Ranked #33 in doubles freshman year
All-American as a sophomore
Ranked #13 as a sophomore in singles, #12 in doubles
Won 20 consecutive matches
Ranked #9 as a junior
Now a finalist at ITA indoors

Clearly he's not getting better, his ranking isn't improving each year.
Clayton on the other hand, well he's only getting better, look at his recent results.....
 
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ClarkC

Hall of Fame
I would rate UCLA #1, Ohio State a close #2, and a big scramble after that. Gary Sacks turning pro might give Stanford a chance at second place in the Pac 10 this year. Stanford will definitely be better than last year, which is fine with me, but I consider anyone other than UCLA and Ohio State (even my team, Virginia) to be a dark horse for the national title.

We will see in May, although I think we will have a clearer idea long before May.
 
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ClarkC

Hall of Fame
One more note about team rankings and predictions: Every year, there are top recruits who enter school in January and change lineups significantly. Sometimes foreign recruits, and sometimes academy or home schooled domestic recruits who graduate in December. The prognosis for a team can change dramatically if a new guy shows up who is good enough to push several players down a spot in the lineup. A thin team can be a plenty deep enough team in an instant.
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
ClarkC said:
I would rate UCLA #1, Ohio State a close #2, and a big scramble after that. Gary Sacks turning pro might give Stanford a chance at second place in the Pac 10 this year. Stanford will definitely be better than last year, which is fine with me, but I consider anyone other than UCLA and Ohio State (even my team, Virginia) to be a dark horse for the national title.

We will see in May, although I think we will have a clearer idea long before May.
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Yea, I'll give you that. UCLA is doing pretty darn good. 7 Guys ranked in preseason polls....not bad.

Just scanning the rankings, Texas has 5 ranked players, Georgia has 5, OSU 4, Virginia 4, Baylor 4, Stanford 3, USC 3, Texas A & M 3, South Florida 3, Illinois 3...... I don't know how anyone could say Stanford is contending for the national title. They're fighting for 2nd in their conference.
 
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ClarkC

Hall of Fame
Fedace said:
Ryan Thacher and Bradley Klahn would play #1 in any other program other than Stanford, in division 1 college.:)
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The problem for Stanford is that this is merely humorous speculation on your part, whereas half the UCLA team actually did play #1 for other college teams. Seriously, half their starting lineup this year are transfers from other schools. Harel Srugo played #1 for Old Dominion for two years and then came to UCLA last year and had a very good record at #1. Fellow Israeli Amit Inbar played #1 for Maryland as a freshman last year and transferred to UCLA for this year. Matt Brooklyn (England) played #1 for Arizona State, then transferred to UCLA starting this year because Arizona State cancelled their men's tennis program. And that does not count Michael Look of Australia, who started his first year at a small college before going to UCLA years ago.

Nicholas Meister was a good blue chip recruit last year who might be #7 on the roster this year because of the depth on their roster. Haythem Abid would have played #2 last year except he redshirted with an injury.

The top 3 look like Srugo, Abid, and Seguso, meaning that former #1 players elsewhere could be at #4 and #5 or #6 with Look. That is why I am more worried, as a Virginia fan, about playing UCLA than anyone else in the country. I know we can beat Ohio State, even if they do suddenly stack their singles lineup again in the bottom three positions in an effort to cheat like last year. :)
 
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NickC

Professional
Fedace said:
He is losing to his teammate, the nerd boy named Bryan Konieko
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Wait, the same nerd boy who plays #1 on a team that for the past few seasons has been ranked HIGHER than Stanford? The same nerd boy who could feed you two bagels with his left hand? Say it ain't so, Feddie, say it ain't so!


But it is so.
 
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ClarkC

Hall of Fame
Now I notice that UCLA added an ITF ranked international recruit, Eugen Brazdil of Slovakia, who is listed as a freshman on their roster. Don't remember his commitment being announced, but that is common for international recruits. Now I don't know how to rate their lineup. I figure him as a very good 4-6 spot player, which means they are very good down to the 8th spot in singles and have a lot of doubles team options. I will wait and see what they do in the indoor dual match season to make any further predictions, but they are loaded.
 
Joeyg

Joeyg

Semi-Pro
Crazy 'ole Dr. Fedace never lets facts get in the way of his arguments, Lindsay. Wait until "Standford" starts losing a few matches. The excuses will start rolling off his tongue. Just like in this thread where he says that Clayton is saving himself for a tourney 6-7 months from now.
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
Joeyg said:
Crazy 'ole Dr. Fedace never lets facts get in the way of his arguments, Lindsay. Wait until "Standford" starts losing a few matches. The excuses will start rolling off his tongue. Just like in this thread where he says that Clayton is saving himself for a tourney 6-7 months from now.
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The way he's playing, he won't even qualify for the
NCAAs...
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
Lindsay said:
The way he's playing, he won't even qualify for the
NCAAs...
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Hahhahhhaaaa, Alex almost beat Somdev last year and if he did, he would have gone on to win the NCAA as freshman. Now this year, the time is perfect. Even Somdev lost early in ITA all american in Tulsa last year, but so what he came back and played strong in NCAA's. so what happens in the fall means nothing really. it maybe good for fattening up the ranking but that is about it. Alex Clayton is by far the best Player in NCAA right now. Don't let the results in the fall fool you...:)
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
ClarkC said:
I know we can beat Ohio State, even if they do suddenly stack their singles lineup again in the bottom three positions in an effort to cheat like last year. :)
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How did they cheat? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong match. Last time OSU played UVA their lineup was
#6 Kronauge
#60 Moneke
#85 Koniecko
NR #Uzawa
NR #Allare who defeated #83 Barrick
#96 Eberly

Its the same lineup they used the previous 2 matches as well.... Did I miss something?
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
Fedace said:
Hahhahhhaaaa, Alex almost beat Somdev last year and if he did, he would have gone on to win the NCAA as freshman. Now this year, the time is perfect. Even Somdev lost early in ITA all american in Tulsa last year, but so what he came back and played strong in NCAA's. so what happens in the fall means nothing really. it maybe good for fattening up the ranking but that is about it. Alex Clayton is by far the best Player in NCAA right now. Don't let the results in the fall fool you...:)
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The conclusion around here is that YOU are the one who's fooled.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
Lindsay said:
The conclusion around here is that YOU are the one who's fooled.
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STOP, i know talent when i see one. This guy is REAL deal. He will WIN the NCAA this coming year and lead the Team to the NCAA championships. You will see. Just WATCH in Febuary when they go to Chicago for ITA team championships. you will the True Power of Stanford in action. they are the favorites to win that and send the clear message to NCAA teams.
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
Fedace said:
STOP, i know talent when i see one. This guy is REAL deal. He will WIN the NCAA this coming year and lead the Team to the NCAA championships. You will see. Just WATCH in Febuary when they go to Chicago for ITA team championships. you will the True Power of Stanford in action. they are the favorites to win that and send the clear message to NCAA teams.
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Says the delusional....
 
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Lindsay

Semi-Pro
Fedace said:
LOL..... you will eat your words when it all comes true....as early as Febuary..:twisted:
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You're right, if Stanford wins the NCAAs, or makes it further than UCLA or OSU, I'll eat my words. Can you say the same if they don't?
 
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NickC

Professional
Fedace said:
Alex Clayton is by far the best Player in NCAA right now. Don't let the results in the fall fool you...:)
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Brilliant logic. I doubt you graduated from a community college, let alone Stanford. You're not fooling anyone.

Here's real logic:
Form = Results.

So the truth is that someone's results say what kind of form they're in. If someone is consistantly loosing, he's not the best. If someone is consistantly winning, he's the best. Is your boy Clayton winning tons of matches right now? No. So therefore, he isn't the best at the moment. Talent doesn't figure into this equation.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
NicholasCole said:
Brilliant logic. I doubt you graduated from a community college, let alone Stanford. You're not fooling anyone.

Here's real logic:
Form = Results.

So the truth is that someone's results say what kind of form they're in. If someone is consistantly loosing, he's not the best. If someone is consistantly winning, he's the best. Is your boy Clayton winning tons of matches right now? No. So therefore, he isn't the best at the moment. Talent doesn't figure into this equation.
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He is OFF form. Simple as that. but come January he will get INTO form. OK, is that in form with you ?
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
Lindsay said:
Why is that funny? Because they will beat Hawaii? Is that really a big feat for a team that is supposed to be so good?
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Hawaii is just a good times for the guys. Nice diversion if you will. but don't underestimate them so much, their #1 guy is very good ranked player. and next febuary UCLA and USC will learn how good Stanford really has become..:)
 
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ClarkC

Hall of Fame
Lindsay said:
How did they cheat? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong match. Last time OSU played UVA their lineup was
#6 Kronauge
#60 Moneke
#85 Koniecko
NR #Uzawa
NR #Allare who defeated #83 Barrick
#96 Eberly

Its the same lineup they used the previous 2 matches as well.... Did I miss something?
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Take a look at their results all spring. Uzawa was their 6th best player and played down at #6 in several Big Ten matches. When the NCAAs started, he was back at #4 (just like at the National Team Indoors) so that they could have a better chance of winning #5 and #6, even if they have to sacrifice #4. Win 2 out of 3 at the bottom of the lineup, and if they win the double spoint they only have to win 1 of the top 3 singles, or 2 of the top 3 if they lose the doubles point.

Yes, Uzawa played #4 in the previous 2 matches, becase the previous 2 matches were NCAA tournament matches. For any team tournament, indoors or outdoors, you have to declare a lineup and stick with it strictly. You can remove a player and move the others up, but you cannot rearrange the order after you declare it.

The consensus of players I talked to was that Uzawa was not as good last year as Allare and Eberly, and I think his results showed that. It will be interesting to see how the lineup goes this year. Uzawa was a freshman last year and might have improved and honestly be #4 this year. We will see.

EDIT: Uzawa never played #6, only 4 and 5. To be charitable, maybe Ohio State just had one of those rosters where #4,#5,#6 are all about even, so whoever plays #4 has a rough time and the others fare better. Those watching the matches from other schools did not evaluate the players that way, but it is possible.
 
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OleNole

Rookie
Uzawa did have a pretty strong result in Tulsa, making the main draw from pre-qualies by winning six straight matches. Balazs Novac is another good player, I would think either of those guys could play #4 this year. With Allare at 6, that's a pretty strong lineup.

I'm curious how Stanford will line up. Where will the two freshmen fit in? Where will Bruch play? With those guys and Clayton they have four players good enough to win big tournaments, though it seems like the biggest question with these guys is if they can stay healthy. Throw in Wire and Hirschman and I agree with Fedace that a healthy Stanford squad is by far the best team in the country. Problem is, with all their injury issues, they'll never all be healthy. Thus, for me it's OSU.
 
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ClarkC

Hall of Fame
Until you see the American blue chip recruits play against these foreign recruits that you might never have heard of at other schools, it is hard to say how everyone stacks up. Saying that a healthy Stanford is "by far" the best team in the country is quite premature.

I would put Stanford as one of the many contenders for the spots below UCLA and Ohio State. They could be #3 or #10. Who knows?
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
OleNole said:
Uzawa did have a pretty strong result in Tulsa, making the main draw from pre-qualies by winning six straight matches. Balazs Novac is another good player, I would think either of those guys could play #4 this year. With Allare at 6, that's a pretty strong lineup.

I'm curious how Stanford will line up. Where will the two freshmen fit in? Where will Bruch play? With those guys and Clayton they have four players good enough to win big tournaments, though it seems like the biggest question with these guys is if they can stay healthy. Throw in Wire and Hirschman and I agree with Fedace that a healthy Stanford squad is by far the best team in the country. Problem is, with all their injury issues, they'll never all be healthy. Thus, for me it's OSU.
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I think Ryan Thacher will stay healthier than Matt Bruch has thus far. Ryan has back issues but he was able to compete on regular basis when he was Junior. Matt on the other hand had been missing big chunks of seasons so far with many different types of injuries.
 
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