J011yroger
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What? What does vertical have to do with the racket face being parallel to the net?
You two are talking about two different things.
J
What? What does vertical have to do with the racket face being parallel to the net?
True, your average student hasn't got the skills, hand eye, quickness, coordination, or technique, but.... what are you gonna say when they point out that Rafter, Cash, Edberg, Nastase, Tanner, and Fed employ longer forwards strokes on their backhand volleys and shorter forward strokes on their forehand volleys? You can't say they are gifted, and can do anything they want. That wouldn't explain WHY so many top pros volley just like the examples I listed. There must be an explanation....maybe it's BETTER !!:shock::shock::shock:
You two are talking about two different things.
J
Why do you talk "backswing"?
I never mentioned "backswing" on this thread, except to say I never mentioned backswing. I mention the forward stroke, underspin, backhand volley is longer than the forward stroke, underspin, forehand volley.
Where to you get this "backswing" stuff from?
And of course you think it's irrelevant! You only teach the way YOU WERE TAUGHT !! You know NO flexibility, you cannot see the obvious (like your own posted vid), you don't talk to the PRO players, and you see no relevancy to the pro level technique !!!!!
BungalowBill, SysAn, where are all you guys? Are you all so caught up in this ONE USPTA format for teaching you fail to see the obvious?
Open your eyes. The world is NOT based on 1990 VicBraden or whomever insights. It's now 2009. or so
No this is NEVER the case. The racquet face should be up and down to avoid "wind shield" wiper volleys. I've been playing tennis for 15 years including at the Division I level. Any pro I've ever encountered has always stressed the vertical racquet position on volleys. The racquet should never ever be sideways.
I'm discussing ready position to just before contact. Of course it should be angled downward but the racquet should never go horizontally.
I"m lost and clueless, as usual....
When I volley, my racketFACE faces upwards like 45 degrees all the way thru the forward stroke. Not exactly 45, how can anyone really measure?
My racket handle length is usually facing up slightly, rackethead above rackethandle. McEBoy is the only great/good volleyer who tilts his rackethead downwards on the volley stroke.
Sorry, just thought I'd throw more confusion and smoke into this thread....
I'm not following you. The racquet should be exactly horizontal during the volley. Maybe horizontal-ish... like 45 degrees or so.
No no no way... Maybe we're not thinking of the same thing of just describing it differently. When i was young I got yelled at to know end for wind shield wiper volleys.
I was always taught to keep the racquet head up, and not to the side. a horizontal racquet head is a windshield wiper volley.
Not sure I understand, but if it works for you... then do it!
I guess so, although I don't think I would agree with the racket needing to be totally vertical when you strike the ball either! (meaning the but of the racket facing the ground)
I was always taught to keep the racquet head up, and not to the side. a horizontal racquet head is a windshield wiper volley.
This guy volleys fairly well with his "old duffer" backhand volley technique. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlTuR2yoTK4
Every volley is above the waistline and 3ft from the net... the volleys are basically ducks.
I think your volleys look good, especially your backhand. Do you handle high backhand volleys well? It looks as if you would be able to hit that shot well. Of course you could use more legs but so can everyone except the top ten in the world!
I think he starts the vid about 4' inside the service line, gets tired, and moves forward to duck position.
For sure, I can volley that well that close to the net, and not getting any low hard balls, just high medium paced "ducks" in a row, rapid fire.
What kills me is the hard low balls when I'm coming in, and if I get much inside the service line, the topspin lob, usually over my backhand side.
Ducks are fun to volley. In tennis, unless you like to play waaaay down, ducks are far and few between......
DJ. Are you still blind? Can you drive a car? Are you soooo enamored by the teaching style you were taught to never look at reality?
LOOK at your own vids! EVERY backhand volley has a longer forward swing than any forehand volley!
ARE YOU BLIND?
And I can easily volley ducks as well as that Aussie guy.
Isn't the follow thru PART of the forward swing?
You are choosing to ignore certain facts in order to promote your ideas.
And Eikel... welcome back!
I am NOT making fun of you, but you don't seem to understand the English language possibly because it's your second language.
And YES, for sure I can volley as well or better as that Aussie fellow. I did go 4 and 5 rounds in pro qualifiers, I did play over 20 A - Open tournaments.
Just because a vid is posted, doesn't mean we wannabees can't do the same strokes.
And you don't have to ask WHY I'm not current top 100. I'm 60, broke my left clavical THREE times, separated and dislocated left shoulder a few times, and would you believe, am getting OLDER.
YOUR volleys, you think follow thru is the same.
But RogerFederer's volleys, in the vid where he puts the ball away, shows a much longer backhand underspin stroke, more shoulder turn, more body moving forwards towards the net.
I'd consider what Roger does, and try to understand why your volleys are not as good as his.
...And YES, for sure I can volley as well or better as that Aussie fellow. I did go 4 and 5 rounds in pro qualifiers, I did play over 20 A - Open tournaments...
Just because a vid is posted, doesn't mean we wannabees can't do the same strokes.
And you don't have to ask WHY I'm not current top 100. I'm 60, broke my left clavical THREE times, separated and dislocated left shoulder a few times, and would you believe, am getting OLDER.
the low ones are always the hardest
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