ScovilleJenkins
Rookie
I keep hearing how Miami is the 5th Grand Slam. What makes it better than Indian Wells?
Monte Carlo is out because its not WTA and ATP. So it wouldn't fit the "grand slam" style category.
Indian Wells would be up there with Miami.
The Italian Open / Rome Masters is the 5th slam.
yeah but man it sucks when we have to wait for women matches to finish, choke after choke...i like mens tourneys better
i cant wait for monte carlo, vamos rafa!!!!
Alright Indian Wells and Miami are the biggest according to the organization of them. I find that annoying that we have so many big hard court tournaments. There should be more big clay court tournaments. Balance out them at least. Maybe downgrade Miami to regular Masters format and upgrade Monte Carlo.
Indian Wells is the 5th grand slam. Miami is a wannabe.
I keep hearing how Miami is the 5th Grand Slam. What makes it better than Indian Wells?
It is referred to as the Grand Slam of South America
Miami, despite a large Spanish-speaking population, is in North America.
Why would it be called a slam of South America?
Africa needs a big tourney, I am thinking move the end of season Masters for both men and women to South Africa and it could be a December 5th slam.
He wasn't referring to Miami.
Miami > Indian Wells for a number of reasons not the least of which is two of the stars of the women's game never play Indian Wells.
How do you know?
And if (s)he weren't, why would it make sense to be referring to IW?
Not trying to be belligerent. Just confused.
"Most of what people talk about on this subject is nonsense"
It's hardly nonsense. It's good marketing. The Miami Masters draws a huge and enthusiastic crowd from Central and South American countries to see the "South American Slam."
As for Borg's comments. I think what he said was correct in the late 70s and arguably into the early 80s. A lot has changed since. Rome is way down the list of player/sponsor priorities today. And The Australian was resurrected from the dead to be a full-fledged member of the GS.
I keep hearing how Miami is the 5th Grand Slam. What makes it better than Indian Wells?
This is actually from the past, as a while ago, IW was a 64 draw like all the other masters, and Miami was the only 96. Thus since it had the largest draws for both men and women outside the slams, it was coined the 5th Major.
In terms of the most important Masters, i really doubt that any of the clay masters are seen as the most important, even to clay courters. This is becuase traditionally, a lot of big seeds go out early and there are usually surprise players at the end of tourneys (eg. Wawrinka Rome 08, Gonzo Rome 07, Stepanek Hamburg 06), so it has a rep of thus not being important.
that 5th slam thing is complete bull-**** there are 4 slams
monte carlo is the most prestigious masters
I agree. I don't know why they lost Lipton as the sponsor. I still called it the Lipton even years after they changed. I really wish I went there pre-1998. Once, I had the freetime to go it was basically a spanish speaking region. The year I went was disappointing. The rude foreigners were simply too much. These people live in shacks in Hialiah, now, and stole at fruit stands in their old country. Apparently, they are attracted to the Miami ghettos, so, I don't see how we can do anything about. Except, maybe move them to Opa Locka, or something.It doesn't have a rep for not being important, not at all imo. "Surprises" happen at hard court masters too. Remember guys like Bhodan Uhlirach, Andrei Pavel, and worst of all HAREL LEVY (a *career* challenger level guy outside of this one run basically) made their greatest glories at hardcourt masters events. It's inevitable. Just because Felip Dewulf made it deep at the French two years in a row doesn't mean the French isn't prestigious anymore. Just because Wally Masur once almost made the finals of the US Open doesn't mean it's not prestigious anymore.
Miami WAS considered the "5th slam" in the 80s and most of the nineties, but imo, that is no longer the case. Imo, Miami was once considered MUCH more prestigious than it is now, back when it was called the Lipton. Imo, it lost its "brand appeal" and became generic sounding when they lost Lipton as their title sponsor. The name was synonymous with the tournament, and once a tournament loses it's ESTABLISHED "brand" name, I think it's difficult to recover from that. Furthermore, back then, Miami was the ONLY tournament outside the slams to field two-gender draws. Indian Wells IS the wannabe these days, but the problem for Maimi is that Indian Wells has done a VERY good job of putting on a world class tournament themselves, and in doing so, their prestige has grown, and Miami's has lessened significantly. Miami is no longer the star, it's been "caught up" to by other ambitious tournament organizeers who've upped the ante.
Winning Miami today is NOWHERE near as "prestigious" as it was when Muster won it in 97 imo. Back then, it really must have felt like something to him. These days, however, I think the tournament is more or less seen AND treated as just another masters series to most players. Yeah, it's still a little more important, but no longer MUCH more important "feeling" than the other masters series events. A Miami win before meant something...today it kind of just feels like, ok, so you won a masters series, good for you, what do you want, a Tennis Warehouse party for your troubles?
I keep hearing how Miami is the 5th Grand Slam. What makes it better than Indian Wells?
Plus a 5th slam won't feel prestige at all, it will feel like a fake slam, especially if it was Miami, you won't find European tennis fans calling some tournament in Miami a slam. Australian Open struggled for slamness for so long, it only is just gaining power.
Yeah Carpet slam sounds good to me, and change Sydney International and Adelaide Invitational and Tasmania and Hopman Cup to carpet too to make a full season of it.
I was disappointed when AO got rid of the rebound ace. I liked rebound ace especially when it was really slow, very good contrast back then.
Indian Wells is the 5th grand slam. Miami is a wannabe.
no 5th slam, but appart from the slams the most prestigious tournaments is without any doubt the (year-end) masters.There are only 4 slams. And it should stay that way. End of story.