jazzyfunkybluesy
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I want the umpire to crack down on Murray for tapping his racquet to distract his opponents.
Again, the post match interview and Murray's comments came BEFORE he knew he was out of the YEC. So it wasn't sour grapes.
I want the umpires to crack down on cheering unforced errors and double faults. STFU Murray, you're more annoying than the time wasters
Every player does that, they just don't get as much notice as Murray. Maybe b/c his voice is so annoying. I can't count how many times JMDP (who I like, don't get me wrong) was cheering Soderlings UEs yesterday. Yet no one complains.
Its not the cheering, but the double standards. Neither are classy but don't do one than b!tch about the other
Yeah but cheering UEs isn't against the rules. Time violations are. I don't see how there's a double standard.
I wasn't watching the match intently, so I don't know, but I get tired of Federer's insistence on administering the rules on the tour. As long as I've been watching tennis I've never heard of a pro constantly complaining about how others play. Sampras and Agassi never did this to each other. So far, Roger has complained about Rafa, Djokovic, Del Potro, now Verdasco. I'm sorry. He's not the governing body and his insistence on putting these things in print is wrong.
I agree. Nadal and Djokovic aren't the only time abusers, there are many lower ranked players who take a lot of time as well. I think it's a cheap shot to say something about Verdasco though.
*If the umpire said Verdasco should play to Fed's pace, I think that's wrong too. I've never heard of an umpire saying something that ridiculous.
If some players think they could have won a particular match against Rafa or Novak if they did not get distracted by time-wasting, then let them complain to the players' council. If they don't complain, too bad for them.
Actually, Murray sometimes takes too long to serve as well. He is one the slower servers out there (slower than average).
that's because you're a clueless muppet who only watches tennis to fantasize about rafito.
now go light a candle at your nadal shrine.
You're getting tired of Fed following the rules :shock: ?
I'm sorry, but he's right, and Murray is too. I'm far from a Nadal hater but watching his service games is a pain for me (because of the time he takes before each serve). Heck, sometime I wish he would get the 1st one in just so I don't have to watch the whole service routine again. Same for Djokovic. Del Potro and Verdasco take their time as well, but not as much as the former too.
Federer is right 100% about this issue, and if you think your opponent is abusing the rules you have every right to complain about it to the umpire.
Personally, I don't like the way Fed calls for challenges on clearly in balls, so the point has to be replayed and the player gets robbed of a winner. It happens way to often, imo.
People are free to disagree but that's my stance on the issue.
And since I really respect your opinion...
Personally, I don't like the way Fed calls for challenges on clearly in balls, so the point has to be replayed and the player gets robbed of a winner. It happens way to often, imo.
What are you talking about?
When the ball looks like it's about to go out, but somehow miraculously hooks in and catches the line, a player can easily manipulate the situation by challenging an in ball that he may could have reached, but because of wrong footing, or slow reactions doesn't try to. In this case they replay the point, but the ball was in the whole time.
The in ball is then replayed and at that point the original pro who's ball was in can get rooked.
no...................you seem to be confused and trying to confuse the rest of us.
if the ball is called out, but looked like it was in, the receiving player will not challenge that.
if the ball that looked like it was going out but then hooks in and is thus called in, the receiving player may challenge the in call. (but he/she must stop play). If the call stands (the ball is in), the receiving player losses the point.
there is no replay..
an example of a replay point would be something like:
ball gets called out, while receiving player is near the ball. The player that hit the ball then challenges the call. The review shows that the ball is in and thus the call was wrong. THEN the umpire has to make a decision: was the receiving player in a position to return the ball had the out call not been made? If the receiving player was in position, then and only then is the point is replayed.
no...................you seem to be confused and trying to confuse the rest of us.
if the ball is called out, but looked like it was in, the receiving player will not challenge that.
if the ball that looked like it was going out but then hooks in and is thus called in, the receiving player may challenge the in call. (but he/she must stop play). If the call stands (the ball is in), the receiving player losses the point.
there is no replay..
an example of a replay point would be something like:
ball gets called out, while receiving player is near the ball. The player that hit the ball then challenges the call. The review shows that the ball is in and thus the call was wrong. THEN the umpire has to make a decision: was the receiving player in a position to return the ball had the out call not been made? If the receiving player was in position, then and only then is the point is replayed.
LOL. Ok chief. Another great one from TheTruth!!When the ball looks like it's about to go out, but somehow miraculously hooks in and catches the line, a player can easily manipulate the situation by challenging an in ball that he may could have reached, but because of wrong footing, or slow reactions doesn't try to. In this case they replay the point, but the ball was in the whole time.
The in ball is then replayed and at that point the original pro who's ball was in can get rooked.
I have to agree with Andy Murray. The umpires need to do a better job, so that arrogant rule-breakers like nadal,djokovic are stopped from flouting rules at will
Not just the time wasting, there are other things that go unnoticed as well. For a start, I think they should fix the ACP and install a real ATP.
Notice Rafa doesn’t adjust his socks anymore, but still that doesn’t drastically shorten time between point.
I think the notion of the time "violations":
a. is ridiculous
b. making a big deal about it even more ridiculous.
c. taking one thing and blowing it out of proportion silly.
d. saying, "I don't do this, therefore..." insane.
Personally, I don't like the way Fed calls for challenges on clearly in balls, so the point has to be replayed and the player gets robbed of a winner. It happens way to often, imo.
People are free to disagree but that's my stance on the issue.
When the ball looks like it's about to go out, but somehow miraculously hooks in and catches the line, a player can easily manipulate the situation by challenging an in ball that he may could have reached, but because of wrong footing, or slow reactions doesn't try to. In this case they replay the point, but the ball was in the whole time.
The in ball is then replayed and at that point the original pro who's ball was in can get rooked.
When the ball looks like it's about to go out, but somehow miraculously hooks in and catches the line, a player can easily manipulate the situation by challenging an in ball that he may could have reached, but because of wrong footing, or slow reactions doesn't try to. In this case they replay the point, but the ball was in the whole time.
The in ball is then replayed and at that point the original pro who's ball was in can get rooked.
I'm sorry, but it looks like you think the time violations are ridiculous because your favorite player is the biggest abuser of the rules (and I'm not a Nadal hater). Those violations disturb the pace of the match, and as a result the focus of the opponent. Quite frankly, if it disturbs the viewer (and it does me), then I can understand how it annoys the players even more.
When I play tennis I can't stand even a 10 seconds delay.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. When it's in, the ball is called a winner and they move on to the next point. No case here whatsoever.
All the players challenge shots like that, including Rafa. Again, you are trying to pick on Federer for no real reason this time. Federer is not perfect, but in terms of obeying the rules, he's very close to perfect. He's the fastest player on tour in terms of serving, if he challenges he doesn't take his sweet time to decide, he doesn't disturb his opponent.
Had Federer been the time waster and Nadal the fast one, I'm sure you'd be having complaints about Federer's awful time wasting habbits.
Why doesn't Murray just come out and say, "Umpires need to crack down on, Rafa?"
TheTruth ,you are unfortunately plain wrong on many counts.First of all the idea of time-wasting was neither started nor promoted by Roger Federer.It existed well before he called out the constant abuse of the rule YOU think is ridiculous.And Federer dosent 'go on' about it in his pressers either.No, I think it's a stupid rule, (the time violations) because it's been going on forever. The idea of time-wasting started with Federer complaining about Nadal and Djoker. Now some people will say Agassi started it, but I don't recall Agassi going into pressers repeatedly sowing that particular seed. And, seeing as this is how these two (Djoker and Nadal) have always played, even before becoming stars and it wasn't a problem then, it amazes me that it's such a travesty now. At the same time, let's only look at these two players. Everyone else on the tour gets a free pass. That's where the problem lies, not in him being my favorite player. He is, and I don't apologize for that, but it's the double standards that run rampant throughout.
Another example is, Fed complained about del Potro taking too much time at the Open, and then turned around and took waaay too much time himself to challenge a call later in the match and no one seems to remember that. I'd never seen or heard of del Po taking too much time to challenge. I think that if Delpo begins to beat Federer on a regular basis he will also be labeled as a cheater who takes too much time. Which is unfair, imo.
To the other posters. I'm not trying to confuse anyone, and I know what the rule is, but there are times when the ball is in, the linespeople don't make a call, the receiver could have tried for it, and didn't, so they call for a challenge on the in ball and the point is replayed because they didn't get in position. I've seen it many times.
In this way the receiver can manipulate the situation, because he missed it, and by challenging asserts that he thought the ball was out.
I think del po does take too much time. I hate the way all these guys are slowly walking up to the line to decide whether or not to challenge. That is not in the spirit of the rule... I think the rule is for calls that you immediately think are wrong. Fed is actually the only one I have not seen walk up to a line forever and then make a challenge. I am not a fed lover either..that is my observation of all of them. Delpo is possibley the worst, Nadal is pretty bad and even Davy was doing it a lot in the last tournament. I jhust think that if it is not obvious to the player he should move on and at the risk of you thinking that I am a fed lover (which again, I am not) he challenges quicker than any of the guys I have seen play on TV.
To the other posters. I'm not trying to confuse anyone, and I know what the rule is, but there are times when the ball is in, the linespeople don't make a call, the receiver could have tried for it, and didn't, so they call for a challenge on the in ball and the point is replayed because they didn't get in position. I've seen it many times.
In this way the receiver can manipulate the situation, because he missed it, and by challenging asserts that he thought the ball was out.
All the players challenge shots like that, including Rafa. Again, you are trying to pick on Federer for no real reason this time. Federer is not perfect, but in terms of obeying the rules, he's very close to perfect. He's the fastest player on tour in terms of serving, if he challenges he doesn't take his sweet time to decide, he doesn't disturb his opponent.
Had Federer been the time waster and Nadal the fast one, I'm sure you'd be having complaints about Federer's awful time wasting habbits.
but it's true! Fed is obeying the rules and it annoys you. I find it annoying as a viewer, so I can only guess how irritating it is to be at the other side of the net (in fact when I play I get very annoyed by it). djoko and rafa allow themselves way too much IMOThat's where you're wrong. I don't nitpick about anyone's serving rituals, or game style including Federer's. I think people are different, and differences should be respected. Period.
I may notice things about players, but complain? Please. I don't time to devote to Sharapova's screeching, Azarenka's imitation, Nadal's few seconds, or Djoker's ball bouncing. It doesn't detract from the game of tennis for me, so it's a non-issue.
Stop with the "you're picking on Federer" routine. It's annoying.
Ahh, you know what I'm talking about!
But, I'm not trying to pick on Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or anyone else.
Every player has their own persona and we as fans choose what we like, or dislike. It's that simple to me.
I'm simply watching tennis, and although I see different things, they seem petty to me. I would never find something and make it an issue, because that to me, distracts from the actual tennis moreso than any ritual.
but it's true! Fed is obeying the rules and it annoys you. I find it annoying as a viewer, so I can only guess how irritating it is to be at the other side of the net (in fact when I play I get very annoyed by it). djoko and rafa allow themselves way too much IMO
it's not the ritual that is the issue. It's the violation of rules (written in the tennis rule book) and failure of empires or glorified scorekeepers to enforce those rules that is the issue here.
if the time thing is really a non-issue, then the rulebooks need to be updated. As long as the rule doesn't change, these players are breaking the rules of the game => cheating
Nadal and Djokovic have been receiving warnings much before Federer said something.Unfortunately they've never taken the warnings seriously.Roger did NOT 'run with it'.Give me a break! Why are Rafa and Djoker the only ones you all complain about?
This so-called rule has been ignored in tennis history forever, until Roger said something about it. Agassi may have mentioned it once, but Roger took it and ran with it, and so have his fans.
I think the notion of the time "violations":
a. is ridiculous
b. making a big deal about it even more ridiculous.
c. taking one thing and blowing it out of proportion silly.
d. saying, "I don't do this, therefore..." insane.
Personally, I don't like the way Fed calls for challenges on clearly in balls, so the point has to be replayed and the player gets robbed of a winner. It happens way to often, imo.
People are free to disagree but that's my stance on the issue.