Omega_7000
Legend
Wow you guys have some amazing eyes if you can figure out the speed of these courts just by looking at your television sets...
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Isner was asked this by Bill Macatee (Tennis Channel) and he said they were to his liking (meaning they facilitated his fast serves) and only a little slower than hard courts. So, yes, it has been confirmed that they are playing fast.
vandre
Hall of Fame
no, but if you gimme some time, i may be able to get a satellite view of the courts being watered.
vandre
Hall of Fame
someone should tell them the germans are invading. see if that speeds them up! :twisted:
He'll play his first match on Suzanne Lenglen. That's ridiculous. Roddick will play on Philippe Chatrier.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
The heat is making the courts play quicker, just like HC and grass play faster when it's hot, same w/ clay. There is no grand conspiracy to keep Nadal from the FO title.
You are say this is a disadvantage for cc specialists including rafa? I didn’t hear any complaint about rafa fans when they slow down SW19 and plus the new grass permits the ball bounce higher.
Deal with it...you can’t have everything your way.
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Deleted member 21996
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the umpires and judges are checking marks at lightning fast speed...
it´s been discussed before. You´re right that the heat has something to do, but, regardless the heat, all the pros are stating that the balls and the courts are quicker. 3-4 years ago it was even hotter and nobody said that the courts were playing like HC (Isner has said something along those lines). So, yes, there´a conspiracy or at leat some hating involved. Plus, they have just sent Nadal to Lenglen court for tomorrow.
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jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Well that's because Nadal was winning and all the Nadal fans were happy, no? Now that Nadal loses at RG last year, it has to be some sort of grand conspiracy.
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TennisandMusic
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I don't remember clay courts sounding like basketball courts when players would run on them...maybe I am just forgetting. But I am hearing squeaks whenever guys change direction, it sounds exactly like running on a basketball court, or on asphalt (or hard courts really).
When I've played on clay, you hear a shuffle, like you're running on dirt. That's how I remember previous years sounding as well (didn't watch much last year, its just generally too early), but today...it was definitely loud squeaks.
When I've played on clay, you hear a shuffle, like you're running on dirt. That's how I remember previous years sounding as well (didn't watch much last year, its just generally too early), but today...it was definitely loud squeaks.
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or maybe that´s because, as i said, the courts and balls are quicker now. Look, go on youtube and check 2007-2008 matches and 2009 matches. Compare the rallies and you will appreciate easily the differences in term of speed
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TennisandMusic
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So no one else has noticed how the players sound when moving on the courts this year vs. past years?
Totai
Professional
sounded normal to me
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TennisandMusic
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Well watch Gasquet vs. Murray highlights at least. Whenever they are available.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
I certainly didn't hear any squeaking. Sounds nothing like a hard court TBH.
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TennisandMusic
Guest
Then you're not watching the match. Just go watch the match, you can't really deny reality here.
The courts were squeaking under their feet like an indoor basketball or hard court. I was listening with headphones on and it's clear as a bell. 100% and impossible to deny really.
Cyan
Hall of Fame
Yeah so Fed can win the CYGS and bore us to sleep with his domination of slam tennis..
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Uhm..ever bothered to think about the weather today?Yeah so Fed can win the CYGS and bore us to sleep with his domination of slam tennis..
But then you're mostly engorssed in 'desparate jinxing' ( or whatever it is that you believe in) so I'm not surprised.
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TennisandMusic
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Yeah so Fed can win the CYGS and bore us to sleep with his domination of slam tennis..
It's obviously not about tennis anymore...it's about making one guy win. Clay historically required the best fitness, and emphasized angles and point construction. Now we are back to bashing I guess.
vandre
Hall of Fame
The ball boys at the French this year have been training to be much faster this year, in order to suit the growing demands of the "faster theme".
maybe someone should test them for peds???? :twisted:
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
where was this when Nadal won Wimbledon and AO?
Oh yes...back then the Federer fans were making excuses.
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TennisandMusic
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Except, the FO was the same until last year (after Federer got pasted I guess), and the courts at Wimbledon have been the same for years. What, do you think they were fast when Roddick made the finals, slowed down for Nadal, then magically sped up for Roddick again? Meanwhile Venus is still cleaning up at these Wimbledons, while sucking like usual at the French? None of that makes sense. Wimbledon, Like the FO requires great athleticism, that's why Federer and Nadal have done so well there. Play on the surfaces, you'll understand why.
It's not an excuse. It's just an obvious, marked, drastic change to the French Open starting with last year. Why would they do this? It seemed like you could even see the concrete on Lenglen when Murray and Gasquet were playing (and you could certainly hear it)
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
I'm sorry but this is pure bs, plain is simple. I'm watching right now and there is NO squeaking when players slide, plain and simple. The courts are playing fast, but that's because of the conditions. Rain is supposed to be coming in the next few days, the courts will slow, and I guess this magical 'conspiracy' talk will all go away when Rafa wins (as he should) in 2 weeks. Or will RG count as a HC slam for Rafa now?
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TennisandMusic
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You're wrong dude. Wait until you see some of the Murray and Gasquet match highlights. Why would I make something like this up? Look at when they change directions not sliding.
I actually don't think Nadal will win this tournament, seeing how it's playing, but we will see. If Federer and Nadal make it to the final, Federer has a great chance.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Given that they made drastic changes to both Wimbledon and USO it's only fair that they do the same to FO.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Interesting.Was the court magically slower in last year's final then?
REALLY QUIT the stupid conspiracy theories now.Even IF ( and that's still an IF since you've hardly proven anything here) the courts are faster I'd say it's only fair seeing that the other courts have been slowered down.
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TennisandMusic
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Wimbledon isn't that different, and it certainly hasn't changed since Federer was winning there. It's the same blend, and it still plays fast because of the low bounce. Remember, Venus is consistently successful here and she is a fast court player. You simply can't argue these facts.
How did the USO change? I thought it was lightning fast last year.
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TennisandMusic
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It's not a conspiracy theory, and refrain from using the word stupid I would ask. The only thing "stupid" is not using your God given eyes and brain to watch tennis. What are you talking about in regards to last years final? Which final, Wimbledon or the French? The French was faster last year. Wimbledon was the same as usual. I think that point is fairly clear.
Which courts are "slowered" down again? Look at Brad Gilbert's twitter account by the way. He is talking about how FAST the courts are. So...it's not a conspiracy theory, just observations about the tournament.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Great,ridiculous conspiracy theories again,put your tin foil hat on.
LMAO,great sense of humour.Fed has about 5-10% chance if both him and Nadal make it to the final and even that's probably generous.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
I actually thought it was slower .See?The mind plays tricks
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TennisandMusic
Guest
Well you can be negative about Federer all you want, but the match up would certainly be closer than 2008. 5-10%? Federer must not be very good by your own estimation.
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TennisandMusic
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I actually thought it was slower .See?The mind plays tricks
Right, that's how Del Potro was blasting 100 mph winners right by Federer (and Nadal) with his huge game.
The mind doesn't play tricks, unless you have no clue what you're looking at with regards to tennis. How often do you play, and on what surfaces just out of curiosity? It's really not rocket science to see how a tournament is playing.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Yes it really is,it's quite different from the Wimbledon of the 90s I grew up watching.
As for Venus,well I guess then since Roddick almost won Wimbledon last year and has multiple finals there he should atleast reach the SF at FO this year given how it plays lightning fast right?
They slowed down USO twice and no it surely wasn't lightning fast since about 1999-2000.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
It's not a conspiracy theory, and refrain from using the word stupid I would ask. The only thing "stupid" is not using your God given eyes and brain to watch tennis. What are you talking about in regards to last years final? Which final, Wimbledon or the French? The French was faster last year. Wimbledon was the same as usual. I think that point is fairly clear.
Hmmmm....so it's not coming up with conspiracy theories when you state that the organisers just want to make one guy win?Oh yes,but I'm the one being stupid :roll
And I was talking about the FO final.LOL you thought the court was faster?
Clearly you did not see the final.
Which courts are "slowered" down again? Look at Brad Gilbert's twitter account by the way. He is talking about how FAST the courts are. So...it's not a conspiracy theory, just observations about the tournament.
Wimbledon and AO are slower.The USO COULD BE slower.
flyinghippos101
Legend
Yeah so Fed can win the CYGS and bore us to sleep with his domination of slam tennis..
Because we all know absolute domination by Nadal during the clay season is prime entertainment...
Cyan
Hall of Fame
Indeed. This is scandalous.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Well you can be negative about Federer all you want, but the match up would certainly be closer than 2008. 5-10%? Federer must not be very good by your own estimation.
No,negative would be saying something like Fed won't reach the SF/F which I fully expect him to do.
Saying he has very little chance against Nadal in the FO final is a realistic opinion backed up by facts.
Closer than 2008? Absolutely,I think Fed will take a set this time and make it somewhat close overall but winning? Yes,very little chance of that happening.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Pot calling a kettle black? Interesting
btw-I thought Del Po was blasting off winners in Miami and Montreal as well.Your point would be?edit-I've mostly played on clay courts.
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jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Saying the courts are playing fast is one thing, but you're saying it's red hardcourt now and that you actually hear squeaking shoes, which I don't think anyone else will attest to TBH.
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TennisandMusic
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Last year they said the USO was fast. Of course Wimbledon is different from the 90's, but the grass hasn't changed since Federer was winning in 2003. It was claimed that the Sampras and Ivanisevic finals caused the change in grass, after 98 or so.
Roddick had his best result ever at the French last year right? Round of 16? Think about it. I don't expect him to do well here necessarily (because I pretty much never expect him to do well), but a decent run would not be surprising. And what did Roddick have to do with Venus? I used Venus as an example to show that Wimbledon grass isn't changing around this decade. However, Gilbert does say he thinks the courts this year will benefit the Williams sisters. So...what does that tell you?
I also never used the words "lightning fast" in regards to this FO, so please stop lying. This is called a straw man argument, and is intellectually dishonest.
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