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This should make some folks who post here quite happy.
This should make some folks who post here quite happy.
This has been discussed in a previous thread here.
More political genius by those who know best. Let's see what the unintended consequences are when the rule goes into full effect. Just my guess, but I betting (not hoping) that some schools drop tennis due to not being able to field enough American players to compete.
It's been my argument all along for keeping restrictions against foreigners on college tennis rosters. Try this at the NCAA DI and DII levels and you'll see a bunch of teams go away or become completely non-competitive. Why not have the competition level at the best it can be. I don't get it.
Not every tennis kid can play at Tennessee, Virginia, Miami, USC or Ohio State. For that matter many very good American tennis playing juniors will not give the time of day to schools (just examples) like Nebraska, Drake, Baylor or Oregon. Net enough legitimate DI American tennis players for that matter really want to play at many schools to field a competitive squad without filling in the need for players with foreigners.
I am a foreigner, and I did not live ONE day without somebody reminding me of it, in a negative way.
Quite frankly it does not surprise me, as we are just an easy political target. The treatment of foreign borns has been deteriorating in the recent years, and we have become the "reason" for all kinds of faults.
I only wish that European government would apply the same to US citizens. They would be crying before their Embassy after only a day.........
No offense to you, but do you know how hard it is for Americans to get a work permit in many countries overseas ?
It's tough anywhere, but maybe America is criticized more for the way they treat foreigners because of the way they proclaim themselves a "free country" or "come live the American dream", when in fact it's not such a dream at all.
Community colleges are not the same as 4 year universities.
Their mission is to serve the local surrounding communities. Bringing in a lot of foreign star athletes as a stepping stone for athletes and coaches to move on to bigger and better positions at D1 colleges is not really in line with the mission IMO.
Community colleges are not the same as 4 year universities.
Their mission is to serve the local surrounding communities. Bringing in a lot of foreign star athletes as a stepping stone for athletes and coaches to move on to bigger and better positions at D1 colleges is not really in line with the mission IMO.
Sir, I am a resident and I pay taxes too.
Second, the same colleges make tons of money on foreigners, making them pay more than 3 times more the normal rate. Third, the fact your children are there should not be a automatic exclusion. Fourth: many US student-football/basketball/skating/tennis players are right now in Italy, where not only they can stay and study at ZERO costs, but also work at leisure.
I would just ask the same treatment........
Sir, I am a resident and I pay taxes too.
Second, the same colleges make tons of money on foreigners, making them pay more than 3 times more the normal rate. Third, the fact your children are there should not be a automatic exclusion. Fourth: many US student-football/basketball/skating/tennis players are right now in Italy, where not only they can stay and study at ZERO costs, but also work at leisure.
I would just ask the same treatment........
The last two posters. Inform yourself, educate yourself better.
SoCal, I never got a dime from your goverment. I am good only to give. The other one, if you are interested, contact your embassy, you have plenty of opportunities to go abroad, full ride.
Valid point. Conversely, their is a group out there (led by Ralph Nader) who says college sports is counter to the mission of academic high-ed and should be done away with period.
How many tennis playing college juniors can not find a roster spot on a community college near them whose team scholarships are all taken by foreigners? There may be a few, but I bet 99.99% of tennis juniors who want to play JUCO tennis could find a scholarship somewhere if they looked.
I have two remarks:
1) the traditional "give me the rejected masses"......In which I truly believed it, otherwise I would not have crossed the Ocean. America belongs (or should belong) to everybody;
2) it is tough to believe politicians who are now advertising (NY mayor, MI governor) "foreigners come and live here, this is a great place", and then to be told that if you want to come here you have NO rights, NO benefits, bring YOUR money, work WHERE I WANT (and do not even think about changing job, or even location in the same company, you would lose the visa)......
And it becomes absolutely bizarre when coming to this (personal experience).
My father is retired. He was willing to come and live close to me. It would have meant bringing his nice pension here, buying a house here, spend money here. Right? Well. Not a chance. He can visit, but no permanent permit/visa/whatever. Does this make sense to you?
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No offense Eliza, but this is a free country.
If you are so unhappy with the policies, maybe you should leave.
yeah! get out of here you foreign hippie! go back where you come from - enjoy your 20 hour work weeks and nude beaches!
the above is meant to be taken very seriously, especially since i spent approximately 20 seconds skimming this thread and barely know what you guys are talking about
My dear nazists: I am obliging. Take care, E
My dear nazists: I am obliging. Take care, E
Seems like the NJCAA could just forbid the provision of out of state tuition differentials as athletic aid. After all, the local junior college is supposed to be supported by state and local taxpayers for the benefit of the local community, as many have pointed out.
So, if a tennis player from Illinois wants to go to Tyler JC in Texas, he has to pay at least the out of state tuition premium without using athletic aid. Ditto for the tennis player from Slovakia. Neither paid taxes for junior colleges in Texas, so what is the difference between foreign and out of state in this discussion?
Take this from another foreign living in the US, maybe your problem is not that you are a foreign, maybe is just the way you are, just a thought...
Community colleges are not the same as 4 year universities.
Their mission is to serve the local surrounding communities. Bringing in a lot of foreign star athletes as a stepping stone for athletes and coaches to move on to bigger and better positions at D1 colleges is not really in line with the mission IMO.
Thanks, andfor, for mentioning the University of Richmond program. Sure, they're not UVa (thank goodness ) but they have a fine academic and athletic reputation. Go Spiders!There are plenty of colleges that are a fit for most any college tennis player.
Every American kid who wants to play at Florida, Georgia or Virginia is not going be good enough, sorry. When that's the case, they need to look to (follow me for example purposes) Florida Atlantic, Georgia Southern or Richmond and elsewhere if they really are committed to play college tennis. Many of those programs has resorted to getting foreigners because they can't find enough competent American tennis players in the first place interested in even going there.
Thanks, andfor, for mentioning the University of Richmond program. Sure, they're not UVa (thank goodness ) but they have a fine academic and athletic reputation. Go Spiders!
No slight intended. I thought it a compliment. And it's actually a few bros and sistas (or cousins) from Mexico. While me and my girls have watched a few of their matches, we're not "in tight" enough with that UR program to know their exact relations. Same last name, same HS resume. Spider Football...is another matter but I am lucky enough to be able to take a free "clinic" from the tennis staff at an upcoming alum event. Maybe it's time to make some "friends."It is a good school with good athletics. My mention was in no way a slight. Lots of very good Americans. However, no Blue Chips or 5 Stars. Lots of 4 Star Americans and a couple of brothers from Mexico.
http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/team.asp?id=19
Women have had some luck pulling a few 5 stars.
http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/team.asp?id=810
Sir, I am a resident and I pay taxes too.
Second, the same colleges make tons of money on foreigners, making them pay more than 3 times more the normal rate. Third, the fact your children are there should not be a automatic exclusion. Fourth: many US student-football/basketball/skating/tennis players are right now in Italy, where not only they can stay and study at ZERO costs, but also work at leisure.
I would just ask the same treatment........
Hold on a minute Eliza, I have been in Contact with Italian coaches in my effort to compete in Italian club tennis. The coaches were really interested to invite me, but there was ONE problem, Italian League Tennis is only open to people holding an ITALIAN PASSPORT, period! So before you generalize everything you have to admit, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Swiss, Dutch, Belguim tennis leagues have limits on how many foreign players are on a squad. I have played on Belguim, German, Dutch, and French teams for the last 6 years, and I have been the only foreigner allowed to compete on that Match Day. While I have not played in all of the countries I mentioned, I am familiar with the rules in many Euro countries.
I'm not saying its fair either way, but before we criticize the states, we have to acknowledge the fact that there are limits in Euro tennis, and also Basketball leagues as well...I'm not sure on the rules for basketball, but I heard there are some limits...Please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I don't want to be spewing false info here!! lol
Hold on a minute Eliza, I have been in Contact with Italian coaches in my effort to compete in Italian club tennis. The coaches were really interested to invite me, but there was ONE problem, Italian League Tennis is only open to people holding an ITALIAN PASSPORT, period! So before you generalize everything you have to admit, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Swiss, Dutch, Belguim tennis leagues have limits on how many foreign players are on a squad. I have played on Belguim, German, Dutch, and French teams for the last 6 years, and I have been the only foreigner allowed to compete on that Match Day. While I have not played in all of the countries I mentioned, I am familiar with the rules in many Euro countries.
I'm not saying its fair either way, but before we criticize the states, we have to acknowledge the fact that there are limits in Euro tennis, and also Basketball leagues as well...I'm not sure on the rules for basketball, but I heard there are some limits...Please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I don't want to be spewing false info here!! lol
Sorry, this things get me excited, I am so involved with the local community, bring money here and then I get accused and attacked too...
Anyhow: I know of many players who did it, included two of my American cousins....So maybe they were not that interested in you after all......
But if you really want, I can ask them the contact info....
I understand what you are saying, but I don't see any validity in comparing private professional leagues in Europe to state supported educational schools in the US which are fielding amateur sports teams.
Eliza, I know that Italian league accepts only Italian passports. I have heard from the coach I talked too. Also I heard from people with spanish passport who were also playing Italian futures tournaments.
I'm not going to sit here and call you a liar, because I don't have an axe to grind with you . Maybe it is just in the lower level divisions where they have this restriction. So I could be wrong.
But the point is ALL of the leagues I have played in the last 6 years have had restrictions on foreigners. SO why should the states be any different?
First: I read your previous fast, thought you were looking to study and play there. Secondly, sorry but what you say it is not true. There is no "passport"requirement (where did you even get that?), but any ID, address in Italy (where are you going to stay? ) and certificate by Italian doctor as to good health and good vision (we are required to have in in order to play) Please go to Fit.it and contact the Italian tennis federation.
....My question is, how do college coaches know that a given foreign player is indeed better than a "home grown" recruit? They have never competed head to head, so how is that assessment made? Video footage, international tournament results, what?
If there is in fact a measurable difference, what is it due to? Superior junior development system overseas, age differences (not a factor now as it was before more restrictions have been put in place), more competitive tournament experience, etc.?
Somebody help me out here. What am I missing or am I completely off base?
For clarity, cmb is talking about playing Italian Club sponsored Team Tennis, not Italian Federation Tournaments.
Colleges compete to have the best academics and best athletics. The blend of top foreign students and professors and athletes push all kids, Americans included, to do better.
Seems to me they should keep a close eye on the age and amateur status of the foreign players and then let the best players of equal age range and status make the teams. The college coaches I know will give the nod to the American player if he is close in ability to the foreign player.
It's understandable that I would like him to go to the best college possible (academic and athletic) but the prime condition is full ( or very close to that) scholarship.
Exactly ^^^ Italian Fedation Club League matches do have passport restrictions. Tournaments are open to anyone. Italy has a great circuit of tournaments I hope to play some one day!
Kudos to NJCAA. question for those who think it is a bad idea... How many of these foreign athletes has ever given anything back to the ol' USA? or to the university? They come over here, play for a school, get a degree and go back home. As a high school coach, it really bothers me when American universities would rather have foreign players than help develop and support American players and programs. It is a slap in the face of many a high school player