What is a good poly to cross with natural gut mains? I use a k90 and i'm thinking a low powered poly to tame the gut power
What is a good poly to cross with natural gut mains? I use a k90 and i'm thinking a low powered poly to tame the gut power
The other poly cross that's supposed to be amazing is MSV heptatwist.
what does the cross do? just stiffen up the string bed?
In gut/poly hybrid it provides a soild, smooth foundation across which the mains can move and then return to position.
At the very least it means you'll never need to straighten your strings since they return to position on their own.
nrg2 as cross.....
I've uses VSTeam natgut mains and different poly crosses for 3 years at different tension levels and though the poly cross minimises string movement, there still is a lot of it compared to a full poly job !!
So saying you never need to straighten your strings again is not even close to being true. But less than with a full gut job, which has terrible stringmovement even at 65 lbs tension.
i see. i didnt know that. i knew poly gave more spin because of the snap back but i didnt know that it grooved the cross allowing the gut to slip back, causing more spin.
What tension are you stringing at and what is the poly cross?
Once you approach th upper 50s to 60+ I could see strings sticking. Also textured and shaped polys cause increased friction which means strings can stick. You also need to string the crosses about 2 to 4 pounds lower than the gut mains.
At no more than 55# for the gut mains and SMOOTH poly crosses two to four pounds lower I've never had issues with strings sticking, even with a full western grip. My srring beds are pristine except for copious amounts of ball fuzz caught between the sttings.
Please see my signature - I state their what 2 polys I use in the cross.
AluRough & BlackSavage.
I've used all the polys in my first reply to the OP as cross strings with VS mains. .
I string accordingly to the racquet I use depending on stiffness of frame, string pattern and depending on whether it's winter or summer.
My current Wilson BLX 6.1 95 16x18 of course needs higher tension than the 18x20 of it model I used last year.
I ALWAYS string the poly 4 lbs lower than the VS Team gut.
I do agree that the textured AluRough makes the whole stringbed move more compared to using the less textured BlackSavage poly in the crosses (at same tension)
I never string higher than 65 lbs for the gut and 61 lbs for the poly.
I had 2 of my BLX 6.1 16x18 strung at VS mains @ 58 lbs and AluRough @ 54 lbs and the moved a lot, also because of the open string pattern if course. The other two BLX 6.1 16x18 were strung higher - VS mains @ 65 lbs and AluRough @ 61 - the strings moved less in the 2 racquets with the higher tension.
But I know - the Wilson BLX 95 6.1 16x18 is pretty terrible when it comes to string movement...... No matter what string you use.
I'm quite experienced gut mains and poly cross user, so I know what I'm talking about.
Dense string patterns will not move much compared to open ones - that's logic.
Any experience of using a cross other than poly with gut mains? Reason I ask is I have some more gut to string and I bought some RIP Control to use in the crosses. The most poly-like string I could think of but without the tension loss and comfort issues associated with polys.
Basically I want the longest playable life out of the gut as it is about 10 times more expensive than the usual hybrid I use!:razz:
Viking,
If your gut mains are at 65# you're definitely locking up the string bed. I'm stringing a full ten pounds lower at least. The highest I've gone on gut mains is 55. Usually I string the mains at 51 to 53.
We're both getting string movement on contact. The diffence is that yours are sticking and not sliding/snapping back into place. Mine sliding/snapping easily into their straight/original positions.
Try something in the low 50s and you'll enjoy the "casually accessible" spin potential. Makes spin brain dead easy to achieve.
Any experience of using a cross other than poly with gut mains? Reason I ask is I have some more gut to string and I bought some RIP Control to use in the crosses. The most poly-like string I could think of but without the tension loss and comfort issues associated with polys.
Basically I want the longest playable life out of the gut as it is about 10 times more expensive than the usual hybrid I use!:razz:
Problem is I used to use 55 lbs VS natgut mains and 51 lbs Poly crosses, but that was when I used 4 Pure Storm Limited GT 18X20 and 4 BLX 95 6.1 18x20 racquets, which are lower powered than what I currently use: 4 BLX 6.1 95 16x18
I can't control my shots if I string them that low - I get too much power from the VS natgut mains. I need the VS mains at 65 lbs and the poly cross at 61 lbs to get the combination of control and spin and power I need.
Then I have to live with some string movement - but I also got to tell you, that I haven't had the same experience with stringing the natgut mains and poly crosses lower - I got excessive string movement in my 4 BLX 6.1 96 16X18, when I had them strung at VS Team 55 lbs mains and AluRough 51 lbs crosses.
The stringer I use strings for 2 of my contry's former best ATP players, and they also happen to use VS natgut mains and Alu crosses.
However your mileage may vary
That makes sense. However, I had the same problem with Alu Rough and that's why I switched to a smooth poly cross.
My favorite non-poly cross was Xcel 17 Premium. When having arm trouble I tested a truck load of multis and it was the best by far when hybrided with gut mains. Not as good as CoFocus but close. Tends to lock up faster with use while CoFocus remains silky smooth for extended periods.
NO!
Multi in the crosses with gut in the mains is a total waist.
It will break much faster, play worse and you will have excessive string movement.
Can't recommend it !
Instead go for a soft poly, Weisscanon Turbo Twist, as your cross string. It's a great poly !!
I get 10-14 hours out of my VS Nat gut mains and Poly crosses hybrids - and I don't feel the tension loss in the polys as much as compared to when I use the poly in the mains or in a full poly job, where I feel the tension loss is too much after only 6-8 hours.
Thanks for the advice chaps. Viking, I take your point but if you know RIP control it is not your average multi. I will have a half set of gut so will definitely use a poly cross for that one (either Silverstring or TT)
I've never played with 'average' multi. I have a 660 feet reel of Babolat Xcel Power 1.25, 12 sets of X-One 1.24 and have tested Wilson K-Gut and NRG2 along with the best multi ever (but worst company ever) Laserfibre Super Natural Gut
Head RIP COntrol is much cheaper than the cheapest multi I've tried
I am not feeling a lot of love for the RIP Control!
Out of interest where did you get the LSNG from? I have read a lot of good things about the string but nothing but bad about the company.
I meant "average" in the sense that it is not very much like a multi at all, being low powered and pretty firm in comparison to most multis. The most poly-like multi if you will.
Any experience of using a cross other than poly with gut mains? Reason I ask is I have some more gut to string and I bought some RIP Control to use in the crosses. The most poly-like string I could think of but without the tension loss and comfort issues associated with polys.
Bought The last stock of LSNGPS from tw USA back in 2008
Do you have a set you might be willing trade for either Excel Power or Biphase X1? I would love to try this string and would make it worthwhile .
You can PM my ID if you are interested in doing so.
really? Rip Control is just about the most UN-poly like string I can think of! It is so exceedingly soft and devoid of any power, though it does add great feel and comfort to a stiffer poly in a hybrid setup. How in the world do you find it poly-like?
Any experience of using a cross other than poly with gut mains? Reason I ask is I have some more gut to string and I bought some RIP Control to use in the crosses. The most poly-like string I could think of but without the tension loss and comfort issues associated with polys.
Basically I want the longest playable life out of the gut as it is about 10 times more expensive than the usual hybrid I use!:razz:
RIP Control is poly, just not polyester. The polyolefin is softer but still gives some of the properties of polyester.
So I was not wrong in my assessment of it after all! I guess you would take issue with the comments above regarding the amount of feel atributed to this string?
I use the blx90 and felt a good cross string with natural gut in the mains is luxilon alu power rough. I can hit with a good amount of spin with this setup. The string package is called Wilsons champions choice it comes with a hybrid of wilson natural gut and luxilon alu power rough, ive been using this in my blx 90s for a little while now. Its a nice combination.
Sorry, gave my last set to a friend last year
I use the blx90 and felt a good cross string with natural gut in the mains is luxilon alu power rough. I can hit with a good amount of spin with this setup. The string package is called Wilsons champions choice it comes with a hybrid of wilson natural gut and luxilon alu power rough, ive been using this in my blx 90s for a little while now. Its a nice combination.
I think any gut main/poly cross set up will not last very long even if you're not a string breaker. However I really like the way it plays. If budget's not an issue, it's a great set up. I use multi main/poly cross just to save some money but it's only good for ~4hrs. Gut will last longer than multi though.
Actually natural gut for me lasted much longer when I put in a smooth poly cross. A full bed of natural gut usually lasts about 8 hours but ever since I went with the hybrid setup with a smooth copoly as a cross, it has lasted much longer than I anticipated about 20 hours.
Of course, you will have to choose a co-poly that offers great tension maintenance such as the Weiss Cannon line of strings, Scorpion, B5E, and SIlverstring.
I'm surprised to hear that gut/poly lasted longer than gut/gut by more than two fold. Wow, I wouldn't have thought that was the case. I used to use full gut and really liked it but got too expensive for me.
I think it is because a smooth poly slides over the natural gut mains when the ball is struck and doesn't cause as much friction burn to the strings. I do get notching but it takes a bit longer to develop than on a full set of natural gut.