jigglypuff
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In a sense, tying this back to tennis... tiger moms are to education what tiger dads are to sports.
Let's..for the sake of "fun" divert this to a very talented 14 year old pianist. 1) Make sure and "have fun" while you're playing no matter the mistakes?? 2) train with your friends and text away while your playing?? 3) If you screw up a concerto...no worries.
In my eyes whether it be a pianist or sport... the process to the requisite result is the same. Otherwise just simply change the requisite result.
What's there to assume? Asians represent 6% of the population in the US, yet they comprise 1/3 of the student body at top colleges.
Not a good example but nevertheless, his point is correct. A better example would be education. A lot of Asian kids have perfect SATs, GPAs, etc., why is that? Were they just having "fun" learning and searching for their inner creativity? And I seriously doubt that they are inherently smarter than everyone else.
I studied electrical engineering for my undergrad degree. My wife’s Vietnamese roommate was in one of my classes’ sophomore year and our final fell on the last day of testing before Christmas break. It was one of the hardest tests I had ever taken lasting three hours from 1:00 – 4:00. After the test I went to pick up my wife to go out and party around 6:00 pm. Her roommate was sitting, as usual, at her desk studying. I laughed and asked her if she was figuring out how she did on the test. She looked a little confused and said no, she was studying for next semester.
1) No there is not ONE way to develop any talented individual as everyone is different in the learning process, sensitivity to criticism, learning processes (visual, auditory, or tactile)
2) Are a "majority" of the parents and coaches of high level tennis players abit O.C.D., are they "jerks" in your eyes YES 100%. Are they in their own eyes. No... I know for a fact Tony Nadal was almost a tyrant over Rafa and that is what straightened him out. Same with Roche, Sampras had Landsorp, Bollietierri to Agassi, and Courier. Williams to Serena and Venus, Agassi dad to Andre, Seles's dad, Sharapova's father, even Djokovic dad was over the top. Jankovic's father (no comment).
Sure this is not something people want to see or read but it is the truth. Like it or not.
...fu-ked up kid...
You are right, wigglyfluff. Some of us Asians, such as myself, are pretty stupid when it comes to anything outside Spelling Bee. Heck, I can't even spell your name correctlyNot a good example but nevertheless, his point is correct. A better example would be education. A lot of Asian kids have perfect SATs, GPAs, etc., why is that? Were they just having "fun" learning and searching for their inner creativity? And I seriously doubt that they are inherently smarter than everyone else.
Thank you for the replies. Any ideas how many kids are in tennis as their career path and how many actually make it (make money in competition)?
I hope for the parents that are new to this site, and have not been corrupted by the comments here, that yes, being an abusive parent to a tennis kid might work 1 in 10,000 times and you get a pro player.
But, most times, you just get a fu-ked up kid, and a terrible parent- child relationship.[/QUOT
Define abusive ?
You are right, wigglyfluff. Some of us Asians, such as myself, are pretty stupid when it comes to anything outside Spelling Bee. Heck, I can't even spell your name correctly
Maybe it has to do with something cultural. My country was depleted by the Brits for something like 200 years. We've got to work harder than you to get over the poverty line.
Or maybe we come from closely knit families, where we respect our parents, and listen to them (which is not always a good thing, frankly, but it does keep one away from drugs/alcohol etc to a large extent).
I also gather that American society is very sex-driven (don't know the exact word for it), but that's what comes through from all your movies and books. We aren't. Most of us read books or sat in libraries during vacations, of our own accord, rather than chase girls.
Your schools encourage creativity and thinking out of the box, ours memorization. So yes, those of you who do take your studies seriously can be smarter than the average high-scoring Asian kid.
I hope for the parents that are new to this site, and have not been corrupted by the comments here, that yes, being an abusive parent to a tennis kid might work 1 in 10,000 times and you get a pro player.
But, most times, you just get a fu-ked up kid, and a terrible parent- child relationship.[/QUOT
Define abusive ?
Since you asked I suggest you read the entire post before responding.
What constitutes emotional child abuse?
Isolated emotional abuse is the least frequently reported form of child abuse (7% of all cases). This form is felt to be markedly underreported since it can be difficult to detect and document.
However, since it is a component of all forms of child abuse, it is the most pervasive of all the previously listed forms of child abuse. There are several categories of emotional abuse and they may occur as unique experiences or together in the same child. They include...
rejecting (for example, refusing to acknowledge the child's worth and emotional needs),
isolation (denying the child social experiences: locking child in the closet is an extreme example),
terrorizing (verbal assault with or without weapons),
ignoring (refusing to show affection),
corrupting (reinforcing destructive, antisocial, or sexually exploitative behaviors),
verbal assault (extreme sarcasm, name calling, public humiliation), and
over-pressuring (criticism of age-appropriate behaviors/skills as inadequate).
Emotional child abuse is also sometimes termed psychological child abuse, verbal child abuse, or mental injury of a child.
What is child abuse?
A broad definition of child abuse implies purposeful and serious injury inflicted upon a child by a caregiver. Specific countries and ethnic groups have developed sometimes widely divergent definitions. In the United States, each state is responsible for drafting definitions for child abuse and neglect consistent with federal law. The Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, amended in October 1996, provides the basis from which individual states may structure their legislation.
Four broad categories are generally recognized:
neglect (63%);
physical abuse (16%);
sexual abuse (10%) and;
emotional abuse (7%) (2005 national data).
What does the term child neglect include?
Child neglect is the most frequently reported form of child abuse (63% of all cases) and the most lethal.
Neglect is defined as the failure to provide for the shelter, safety, supervision, and nutritional needs of the child. Child neglect may be physical, educational, or emotional. The assessment of child neglect requires the consideration of cultural values and standards of care as well as the recognition that the failure to provide the necessities of life may be related to poverty.
Physical neglect includes the refusal or delay in seeking health care, abandonment, inadequate supervision, expulsion from the home, or refusal to allow a runaway to return home.
Educational neglect includes the allowance of chronic truancy, failure to enroll a child of mandatory school age in school, and failure to attend to a special educational need.
Emotional neglect involves a marked inattention to the child's needs for affection, refusal of or failure to provide needed psychological care, spousal abuse or parental substance abuse in the child's presence, and permission of drug or alcohol use by the child.
I am reporting a plagiarism abuse
http://www.medicinenet.com/child_abuse/page5.htm
http://www.medicinenet.com/child_abuse/page4.htm
Thanks. I posted in a rush a neglected to include the links. As you may know, sadly there's a lot of info out there on the subject.
Interesting story about Christopher Parkening, one of the most accomplished classical guitarists in the world. As an early teen, he started playing guitar as a hobby. Suddenly got a great passion for it and starting playing all the time, obsessed with perfecting each note. His parents thought he was off the deep end and did not push him at all. He went to bed early and set an alarm clock for about 4 a.m. so that he could get up and play the guitar in his room for several hours before high school each day. His parents thought he had no social life, no balance in life, etc., but he was determined.
He became the foremost classical guitarist of our generation, and used the wealth he gained to pursue side interests as an adult. He has even won awards and competitions as a fly fisherman. He is taking advantage of opportunities now to lead a balanced life. But, at one time he was the classic one track mind, and his parents did not push it at all.
Petes junior career was Ok at best. How did he do in the pro's since he never won a Grand Slam Jr. or Ed Hurr or Orange Bowl ? He must have had a laughable career.
It takes time for serve volleyers to develop. When Agassi played Pete for the first time, he didn't think he'd ever see him on the tour again.
Pat Rafter didn't really excel until his late twenties.
Number1Coach said Pete';s jr career was OK at best. Hahhaha. Fundamentally, I like Number1Coach/dad/massage therapist/whatever. But, he was just not there. Folks here are going on what they read and what we hear on The Tennis Channel. LOL! We've got the blind leading the blind up in here, LOL!
Truth.
Also, guys, I was there. Pete's jr career was good. Really good in spurts. Everyone knew him. He was not quite legendary in jrs (like Al Parker, Chris Garner, Francisco Montana, Aaron Krickstein, Agassi, Courier, Luke Jensen, Chang, Courier, David Wheaton, Mal Washington, Martin Blackman), but literally everyone knew him and his family. Everyone saw him as a gangly, dorky kid with serious potential. Top guys respected him as a player.
Sampras played up. He changed his game.
He rode that serve and volley to the Hall of Fame.
He's Sampras and he knows it.
It worked out.
...I am not sure why some say his junior career was not good. ....
Not a good example but nevertheless, his point is correct. A better example would be education. A lot of Asian kids have perfect SATs, GPAs, etc., why is that? Were they just having "fun" learning and searching for their inner creativity? And I seriously doubt that they are inherently smarter than everyone else.
.....Chris Garner....
I just saw this.
How massively racist anti-Asian stereo-typical hate speech this is.
Towards whom was the hatred directed?
JICYDK: Chris is the head coach at Amherst. Which if you knew him as a kid, is astounding. And they won the DIII Nats last year.
Wow! I'll have to say hello. We played a 12s tournament when we were 9. Both got to the semis of singles. Won the dubs. I don't know how or why I remember this, hahah.
Anyway, awfully good guy. Great player, obviously.
Wow! I'll have to say hello. We played a 12s tournament when we were 9. Both got to the semis of singles. Won the dubs. I don't know how or why I remember this, hahah.
Anyway, awfully good guy. Great player, obviously.
We all already know of your hatred, so a comment from you is to be expected, LOL!
Not a good example but nevertheless, his point is correct. A better example would be education. A lot of Asian kids have perfect SATs, GPAs, etc., why is that? Were they just having "fun" learning and searching for their inner creativity? And I seriously doubt that they are inherently smarter than everyone else.
Ya, I don't know what is up with Tennis Mav - can have valid points but he jumps all over everyone...I posted how it was funny that a player from Australia started a thread looking for help getting into the US while the foreign threads were flaming.... and he acted like I was attacking the kid. I was just pointing out the irony. He went all emo.
Some people just need to be the know it all, even when they are wrong. Sorry TM, calling it like I see it.