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Trajectory comes from technique. Lead tape doesn't solve all your problems. They either amplify your problems or complement your correct technique.
You need to increase stringbed stiffness to get flatter trajectory (more tension and or thicker string).
You can also REMOVE lead from loop to flatten trajectory (ball doesn't dig as far into the stringbed)
any tips? Thx
And I've got kevlar at 65lbs so tighter might not be an option.
Lead anywhere in the head. Higher swingweight = greater ACOR = lower launch angle = lower flight trajectory.
Use racquet with dense string pattern. It works for me...
Lead anywhere in the head. Higher swingweight = greater ACOR = lower launch angle = lower flight trajectory.
Stiffer stringbed (higher tension and/or stiffer material and/or denser string pattern).
Main strings that do not slide or snap back: Deeply notched syngut, gummy polyurethane-based multis (biphase, et al.), glued intersections, etc.
I've tried lots of poly, just too powerful, so I went back to playing the strings I used as a kid. Kevlar gives me more control and durability, I switched to a 110 because I mostly play dubs now but I played an 85sq in. at 65lbs+ for 6 days a week at 16, never a problem.
I agree a dense string pattern is good but I like the racket I'm using now and they only make it in 16x19. I think adding tape to the throat did make it launch slightly lower but I have no scientific reasoning to back it up. Jfish why move tape from the bottom of the handle to the top of handle?
This is not true - adding lead to the head increases launch angle, because the ball digs deeper into the stringbed as the racket deflects less on impact.
You need to increase stringbed stiffness to get flatter trajectory (more tension and or thicker string).
Yeah, there's no easy fix for that. You have to drive through the ball more instead of looping your swing path.
Any lead tape on the head should help coupled with a flatter swing.
not true, take any open pattern racket and compare it to any closed pattern racket with same string/tension - you'll notice one hits considerably flatter ball with same technique.
It also depends. Now i reckon technique is the biggest factor. Look. Compare hitting continental to a semi western.
If you've got Kevlar at 65, your either a massive troll, or your stupid.
I recommend that you quit tennis right now if your not seeing the low trajectory on kevlar strings.
Tape will not do anything but make the ball launch even higher given same technique.
Too bad tennis players don't live in a vacuum...
Yeah, that sounds good to me. Mostly agree with the posts above.
But that's not what we're talking about. I presume the OP has a certain grip already set in their muscles and whatnot-you can't just "change grips" after playing for as long as a time as they have. Technique in this sense is more about swing path, contact point, etc.
This post taught me that hot coffee can indeed burn the inside of your nostrils if it's laughed out hard enough. Seriously, I can't smell anything, but I'm very amused!
On another serious note, chill out, bro. Or whatever the kids say these days. :roll:
You actually believe 65 pounds kevlar, isn't going to lower his trajectory? I think he mean spin. He wants more spin to dip the ball down maybe?
If you want a lower trajectory try a 18x20 pattern. If that doesnt help, then gg find a coach.
^^^We're not robots. Adding mass to the racquet WILL affect technique.
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That may be true for you, but at the same time you may have been adjusting your technique. All mechanics the same, if he added lead tape on the head the ball should gain more velocity and a lower trajectory.
This is why I said earlier in the thread that a flatter swing path plus more mass in the head would be best.
Lead anywhere in the head. Higher swingweight = greater ACOR = lower launch angle = lower flight trajectory.
not true, take any open pattern racket and compare it to any closed pattern racket with same string/tension - you'll notice one hits considerably flatter ball with same technique.
Tape will not do anything but make the ball launch even higher given same technique.
Are you sure? I don't any higher or lower with a KPS88 compared to a K Blade 98. The KPS88 is open pattern, the K Blade is closed.
In fact, I tend to hit flatter with the KPS88. Hitting flat is partially due to the design of the racquet. String pattern will affect spin, but there are several other factors.
Spin mainly comes from technique. There's no other way around it, Anton. Your racquet will only go so far in complementing your technique. Thinking you get more spin from an open string pattern compared to a closed pattern on an entirely different racquet is merely a psychological effect.
What are the string densities of the rackets?
Don't you think headsize is also a factor?
Are you sure? I feel only really subtle differences between my KPS88 and K Blade 98. The KPS88 is open pattern, the K Blade is closed.
Although, on the contrary, I tend to hit flatter with the KPS88. Hitting flat is partially due to the design of the racquet. String pattern will affect spin, but there are several other factors.
You are conflating spin and launch angle - you can hit a high arch shot with zero spin on it, right?
What are the string densities of the rackets?
Don't you think headsize is also a factor?
yes I'm sure.
though you have to look at actual string density 16x19 on 90" frame may not be any more open then 18x20 on 98"
You are conflating spin and launch angle - you can hit a high arch shot with zero spin on it, right?
Jfish why move tape from the bottom of the handle to the top of handle?
To those who say spin is mostly technique:
I respectfully disagree. A lot of it is technique, but I gave one of my regular hitting partners two different racquets-one a 105", 16x19 frame, and the other a 95" 18x20. I knew that this guy would be a good test for the effect of a racquet upon spin as he doesn't know a Big Bubba from a BLX90, and his technique has been set in stone for the last 30 years. The difference was remarkable-the shots with the former frame kicked visually and up to my torso, while balls for the latter stayed below my knees. For that reason, I won't ever believe the people who say that spin comes from technique, not the racquet.
That being said, grips and whatnot will affect spin. Someone with a violent windshield wiper motion will obviously impart more spin on the ball than someone with the forehand technique of Stefan Edberg. But that's not what we're talking about here-these posters won't be radically changing their technique to produce more spin. Why do that when you can change a much simpler variable?
That being said, with the same technique shot-for-shot, your equipment can have a huge impact on the amount of spin you hit.
Spin mainly comes from technique. There's no other way around it, Anton. Your racquet will only go so far in complementing your technique. Thinking you get more spin from an open string pattern compared to a closed pattern on an entirely different racquet is merely a psychological effect.
I should rephrase: while spin is not mostly equipment, I would venture to say that it's not 95%/5% technique:spin like it's made to be sometimes.
Here is a post from my "opposition".
However, I stand by my original opinion. The difference is that you're examining spin on a multi-player to one-equipment basis, while I'm looking at it from a mono-player to multi-equipment basis. I do agree with your bolded sentence; that's vey reasonable and very correct. However, I think it's more useful to analyze this argument from my point of view, as the OP isn't going to radically change their technique to alter spin. We're looking at variables we can change in regards to one player, which are things like racquet, string, lead set-up, etc. Your argument focuses on multiple players, in which only technique matters. It's a fairly obvious statement to make, but the argument truly lies in what equipment does for one player and one player alone.
I also would prefer to keep this discussion related to us mere mortals. The reason professionals can generate heavy spin with their equipment of choice is because they're professionals-they do this stuff for a living and they're the best players around at it. That's why they're kicking butt and taking names on the tour, not us. But for anyone who isn't a pro or even semi-pro, equipment can make a difference.
Care to elaborate on your second and third to last paragraphs?
Sorry if this seems a bit abstract, my apologies!
Spin should be around 50:50, Technique : equipment.
Lower swingweight should equal more spin as well since you can whip it faster through the air.
To those who say spin is mostly technique:
I respectfully disagree. A lot of it is technique, but I gave one of my regular hitting partners two different racquets-one a 105", 16x19 frame, and the other a 95" 18x20...the shots with the former frame kicked visually and up to my torso, while balls for the latter stayed below my knees.
That being said, with the same technique shot-for-shot, your equipment can have a huge impact on the amount of spin you hit.
Then I would agree with you. However, it would be in the best interest of the OP to develop better technique rather than optimize their equipment. I merely refer to higher level players because, in reality, a great number of them don't need to reflect on equipment as much we do. Their technique, by itself, allows them to generate powerful shots regardless of string pattern, weight, swingweight.
Thus, to me, it makes sense that equipment is only a secondary element. Would it be so much simpler to aim to achieve a technique where one could generate a maximum potential of spin, as opposed to bothering oneself with something as small as string patterns? For an individual case, being able to generate massive spin from inhibiting equipment is certainly better for player development.
Yes, equipment can help your game. Equipment is a confounding variable to an individual player's development. The main factor, though, is technique. If so, why not just focus on technique? I make the contention that the OP can and should change their technique for the better. For the player, alone, that would be the best advice: "Learn to hit better topspin," not "Get a new racquet."
Chyeah, you realize that there are plenty of players with high swingweights and heavy spin, right?
You mentioned two variables
1 - frame square inches -- 105 vs. 95
2 - string pattern -- 16x19 vs. 18x20
I wish you had given him two frames with only one of the variables changed above. But I'm still curious. Could you elaborate more on what made the difference? Which is a "better" stick for your buddy to use against you?
I think this is a good discussion.