I would not leave the court your a parent first and protecting your child comes first, if the other parent said something bad to your kid then she is low enough in class to spit in her face ! Then go out to lunch and ask your son " did you learn anything today"?
Lesson learned by both of us. After talking to other parents in our age bracket, they advised me that I have to practically sit on top of these parents to keep them quiet. I also told my son that if the parents say things during the match that he is allowed to tell the refs that the parents are interfering in the match and ask that they move elsewhere. And, yes, he did learn a LOT during that match. As did I!!!!
I would not leave the court your a parent first and protecting your child comes first, if the other parent said something bad to your kid then she is low enough in class to spit in her face ! Then go out to lunch and ask your son " did you learn anything today"?
I would not leave the court your a parent first and protecting your child comes first, if the other parent said something bad to your kid then she is low enough in class to spit in her face ! Then go out to lunch and ask your son " did you learn anything today"?
I would not leave the court your a parent first and protecting your child comes first, if the other parent said something bad to your kid then she is low enough in class to spit in her face ! Then go out to lunch and ask your son " did you learn anything today"?
This is a coach of some sort? And you've been named the number one coach? Ouch. No thanks.
I would not leave the court your a parent first and protecting your child comes first, if the other parent said something bad to your kid then she is low enough in class to spit in her face ! Then go out to lunch and ask your son " did you learn anything today"?
^This past Sunday, the Chalk did not suck. It flew.
...a lot of chalk would fly up....it sucks but it happens.
^This past Sunday, the Chalk did not suck. It flew.
This is a coach of some sort? And you've been named the number one coach? Ouch. No thanks.
This is the rule i live by when i make my calls, or if an opponens makes a bad call. It pains me to see players being taken advantage of by cheaters and not standing my ground. Recently, in a clost 3rd set tie break i played, i was up 8-5 and it was my opponent's serve. won both points, 8-7. before i served the next point, opponent asks "Isn't the score 8-8?" i explained my reasoning and held my ground, and came to concluding the correct score of 8-7. That's the best advice i have against cheaters, stand your ground!Cheaters are in every age group, we had a couple move from the section cause they had such a bad reputation and the tournament officials were totally aware of it when the cheater showed up. The other players shunned them and tennis can be pretty lonely. Dad and mom are cool to hang around for only so long. Some calls are mistakes, but obvious cheaters are obvious for lack of a better way to say it - their parents teach them. Remember in some cultures, winning is what matters at any cost. But that is not how to play tennis. Feel good that you teach your kid to be an honest player that does stand up for him/her self however, it will reward them down the road. When the cheater finally plays a match with a ref on site the whole time, it will totally throw them off and they unravel, fun to see. Also they get their payback - college coaches know who the slimebags are, cause so many are friends with the coaches working with all of our players or tournament officials. It is a small world indeed. It will catch up with them. I like what an official once said before a match to all the players....."a ball that is 99% out is 100% in." Now if only they would all follow that rule!
I would not leave the court your a parent first and protecting your child comes first, if the other parent said something bad to your kid then she is low enough in class to spit in her face ! Then go out to lunch and ask your son " did you learn anything today"?
I think the biggest problem is that our Kids see other Kids Cheating like crazy and they start to think Cheating is OK since so many other kids do it.
It is that "Everyone else does it so why not me mentality". So if you are AAA Parent,,,,Awsome parent,,,,,you will be able to teach your kiddo,,,,Why it is such a BAD thing to Cheat even if other kids are doing it..........
The amount of cheating in Junior Tennis bothers me so much that I had to bump this .
In YOUR minds, could the USTA try and improve this situation and how?
Is this a topic they currently discuss, or do they just sweep it under the rug as not a problem?
What are the options? I have heard these options thrown around when discussing this issue with guys I play with.
1) Refs for each match. These refs should being paid by higher entry fees... We would probably end up paying an extra $30-50 per tournament entered.
2) Every player has to have a parent/guardian ref other matches or other age group matches, where they do not have their kids entered.
The amount of cheating in Junior Tennis bothers me so much that I had to bump this .
In YOUR minds, could the USTA try and improve this situation and how?
Is this a topic they currently discuss, or do they just sweep it under the rug as not a problem?
What are the options? I have heard these options thrown around when discussing this issue with guys I play with.
1) Refs for each match. These refs should being paid by higher entry fees... We would probably end up paying an extra $30-50 per tournament entered.
2) Every player has to have a parent/guardian ref other matches or other age group matches, where they do not have their kids entered.
The amount of cheating in Junior Tennis bothers me so much that I had to bump this .
In YOUR minds, could the USTA try and improve this situation and how?
Is this a topic they currently discuss, or do they just sweep it under the rug as not a problem?
What are the options? I have heard these options thrown around when discussing this issue with guys I play with.
1) Refs for each match. These refs should being paid by higher entry fees... We would probably end up paying an extra $30-50 per tournament entered.
2) Every player has to have a parent/guardian ref other matches or other age group matches, where they do not have their kids entered.
#1 would never fly. The parents already complain about the high entry fees to most tournaments. Considering umpires are paid between $100-150 per day, if you have a tournament using 10 courts, to have a chair umpire on every court, you would need approximately 15 umpires, which comes out to possibly $2,000 per day just for umpires.
For #2, you can have a court monitor stand at the net post and make overrules on clear mistakes, but usually court monitors are not trained in officiating, and don't know the rules. Sometimes the parents just have their kid go to the tournament with their coach. The coach isn't going to go monitor other courts when his player is not on court, and the parents certainly aren't going to pay the coach extra to babysit other courts. Sometimes, the parents have to work and can only get enough time off to watch their kid's match, and won't stick around to watch other matches.
Neither of these two ideas are realistic possibilities.
Teaching kids how to handle cheating needs to be the first step. Focusing on how bad it is, (I go to many tournaments and it's not bad) just puts excuses in kids heads. Kids need to stand up for themselves and go get a line judge on the 2nd or no more than 3rd bad call. Kids need to know that a bad call or two will unintentionally take place every match and that 1 or two calls is not going to cause them to lose. Put built in excuses in kids heads and they'll never reach their full potential.
Here's a good article about hooking in the juniors:
http://tennisinsiders.com/?post_type=featured_story&p=80
One idea would be to have a profile on each junior player that tracks the amount of over-rules. This way you could pay more attention to the frequent hookers and trust the kids with a perfect track record. Interesting idea.
Teaching kids how to handle cheating needs to be the first step. Focusing on how bad it is, (I go to many tournaments and it's not bad) just puts excuses in kids heads. Kids need to stand up for themselves and go get a line judge on the 2nd or no more than 3rd bad call. Kids need to know that a bad call or two will unintentionally take place every match and that 1 or two calls is not going to cause them to lose. Put built in excuses in kids heads and they'll never reach their full potential.
To the OP, I understand as a parent how frustrating it must be, but one thing I would say from my experience of playing endless junior tournaments (I'm 20 now), is as a parent- never get involved with line calls or involve yourself in the match. It's a recipe for disaster. I am not saying you did or would but I feel it's a point worth mentioning.
I have witnessed cheating in junior tournaments, but at the end of the day, as a player you should respect your opponent's call. If the call is out, you simply have to accept it. You could question the call, "it looked good to me, are you sure it was long/wide", but if they are convinced, you have to let it go.
As for "cheating back" (i.e deliberately calling balls out after bad calls). I think it's totally unacceptable. You should rise above it and know you've acted correctly. I disagree with getting an umpire/tournament referee. The match is just going to have a horrible atmosphere, that is not going to be fun to play in.
I want to win every match, but sometimes you've just got to let things go and know you've played your game fair and square.
^It's all easy advice to give. In the heat of a tournament, you get robbed by a few line calls. It's difficult to keep cool, but I think you've just got to let it go.
Regards,
Michael
+100. This is one of the best responses I've read. Wholeheartedly agree that you just keep doing the right thing and it will all work out. There is a Ref that will make sure that everything is fair... if not immediately then eventually.
I really like the honor of Michael, and on the right playing field, this may be possible, but on a competitive junior circuit like southern California you could get hooked 15 times in certain matches if you don't fight back and lose many critical matches. We need to help correct the problem as well as concern ourselves with demonstating good behavior. This is the conundrum.
I really like the honor of Michael, and on the right playing field, this may be possible, but on a competitive junior circuit like southern California you could get hooked 15 times in certain matches if you don't fight back and lose many critical matches. We need to help correct the problem as well as concern ourselves with demonstating good behavior. This is the conundrum.
Mitch Bridge,
I am really glad you are posting on the forum.
Many parents on here, myself included, are so tired of a poster coming on and stating some fact,
but either they have no kid playing junior tennis, their kid is little and they have only been to a few matches,
or they themselves are engaging in some questionable behavior and are willing to look the other way.
So, I appreciate that you have witnessed junior tennis on a broader level and give us your insight.
Thanks.
What is your advice for juniors during tournament matches on how to deal with being cheated?
What should he/she ideally do?
After a few points, the ref usually leaves.
Make sure that you are being cheated two or even three times and go find an umpire. If that umpire REFUSES to stay on the court than you have to decide how you want to play this. If you were in a boxing match and your opponent is fighting dirty with elbows, head butts, etc, and the referee won't do anything about it, you will need to fight dirty also to keep the playing field even and for safety reasons. In tennis, your safety is not a concern, so you have to decide how you want to proceed on an individual basis-level playing field or uneven playing field. In top level college tennis, if the umpire is agreeing with every call, and a player is being cheated he will adjust his calls accordingly.
You can also try refusing to play on without an umpire as it is your right to have an official help with your match.
Cheating in tennis, especially in junior tennis is a huge problem. I asked our expert Allen Fox to write a special article about that and give his advice how to behavior with a cheating opponent on the court. Here is link to the article http://wp.me/p2iyrR-5I