Probably but you never know. Nadal was defending like a backboard in that final.
If GS counts are a concern, Federer actually dis-favoured himself by winning that semifinal. Djokovic with that kind of form would have blasted Nadal in atleast 5 sets.
Djokovic is psyched out by Roland Garros. He'd never have won it. He was playing way better than Federer prior to the 2011 semi-final. Made no difference. It will be the slam that forever eludes him.
You wish. :lol:
Oh absolutely. Djokovic in straights or Djokovic in 4.
The proof is all there on videotape. On top of that, Djokovic was playing flawlessly at 2012 Roland Garros, until he ran into Nadal.
It would have been a bloodbath.
But it makes no difference. It's all Fognini's fault anyway
If GS counts are a concern, Federer actually dis-favoured himself by winning that semifinal. Djokovic with that kind of form would have blasted Nadal in atleast 5 sets.
It was the lesser of two evils. If Djokovic won that match versus Fed he might have been sitting on a CYGS at the end of 2011. That would damage Federer's legacy worse than an extra slam for Rafa.
It's time for Fed fans to face facts. At least Djokovic had the cojones to stand up to Rafa at the slams. Fed fails to put away sitter after sitter and he deserves all that he gets from Rafa fans.
Match-up issue. Prime Federer would dogwalk prime Djokovic across all surfaces. 30 year-old Federer, on his worst surface, beat in-the-form-of-his-life-Djokovic.
So I suppose Federer should be embarrassed that an "over the hill" 34-year-old Agassi took him to 5 sets at the U.S. Open in 2004 when Federer was in HIS prime?
Not really, because Agassi, one of the greatest players of all time, was playing on his best surface and he's renowned for playing great Tennis way into his 30s. But Federer should've probably got the job done in 4.
Not really, because Agassi, one of the greatest players of all time, was playing on his best surface and he's renowned for playing great Tennis way into his 30s. But Federer should've probably got the job done in 4.
Australian Open hardcourt is FAR AND AWAY Agassi's best surface. Not even close.
Federer got the job done in 4 sets a year later in the US Open final vs Agassi. After Agassi had played THREE five-setters prior to the final!
Yep Djokovic would've won. Bad luck with having too many days off before facing Federer.
Oh, so when a MUCH OLDER Agassi is playing Federer, you refer to Agassi as "one of the greatest players of all time" but when Federer is playing Djokovic, you refer to him as a 30-year-old.
What a double standard
Agassi was on his best surface (Hard), Federer on his worst (Clay).
Federer was in his prime, yes, but not at his peak (which was late 2005 and 2006). Djokovic was coming off of straight-setting the Clay GOAT Nadal, who is way, way, way better than Federer on Clay, but lost to Federer. I'm not necessarily saying Federer is better than Djokovic. This is actually a defense of Djokovic if you read it right. I'm talking match-ups.
Probably? :lol:
Perra,por favor!
Fed-Djokovic match was a rare occassion where you and your fellow Ralph brethren were praying for Fed, so please drop the BS,we've seen the mad celebration from the Nadal fans after the match was over in the match thread.
Oh and how Ralph plays Federer(especially on clay) is no indication of how he'd have played against Nole(especially given how Nole straight setted the bull in his own den in the previous two consecutive encounters especially Rome,where Ralph couldn't even beat a half-dead Nole). They are two completely different matchups for him.
Match-up issue. Prime Federer would dogwalk prime Djokovic across all surfaces. 30 year-old Federer, on his worst surface, beat in-the-form-of-his-life-Djokovic.
I was talking about Hard Courts. Anyway, Federer beat Agassi rather comfortably in 3 sets at the AO the same year.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...
Cause beating Nadal at RG on his best surface is the same pair of shoes as beating him in 2 masters series events.
How the hell can you be 100% sure that he would have beaten Nadal?
I agree that a prime Fed wouldn't have much trouble with any form of Djokovic, but the same can't be said with regards to Nadal.
People like to bring up the "match up issue," but I can't believe it is that simple. Fed has had his chances in many of his losses to Nadal and has failed to capitalize. It gets old after awhile.
The thing that bothers me is that in many of their matches (even when Federer was older) is that Federer is capable of making Nadal look like any old chump for a given period. Then, one missed shot on a big point and you know that the match is over. It is a little pathetic.
Also, the NadalFederer h2h in non-slams is 10-8. Doesn't look like a "matchup" issue to me.
It's funny how the anti-Nadal brigade just assume that Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in this hypothetical match. It's even funnier to see how much it bothers them that Nadal won the 2011 French Open.
I don't want to take anything away from how good Nadal is on clay, where a majority of their matches have been played. The fact is, the only way Federer has been able to beat Nadal is when he was playing better tennis by a large margin. Even then, Nadal is usually able to make the matches closer than they should be.
Any time their levels are similar, Nadal is always able to pull out the win. It gets old for Fed fans.
It's funny how the anti-Nadal brigade just assume that Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in this hypothetical match. It's even funnier to see how much it bothers them that Nadal won the 2011 French Open.
Obviously....that year Federer played his best clay court tennis of his life so far....and still came short. It annoying to see....rather Novak beat Federer and go on to beat Nadal.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...
Cause beating Nadal at RG on his best surface is the same pair of shoes as beating him in 2 masters series events.
How the hell can you be 100% sure that he would have beaten Nadal?
Well, they shouldn't worry. Everyone else in the top 10 has experienced the same thing. They all have a poor record vs Nadal. Even Tsonga, has only won 3 matches vs Nadal in 10 meetings. Tsonga lost 4 hardcourt matches in a row to Nadal, before Tsonga beat Nadal at the 2011 World Tour Finals in a close 3-setter (but then Nadal won their most recent hardcourt match - Miami 2012). Federer should be happy he didn't lose 4 hardcourt matches in a row to Nadal. Although I guess losing 2 straight hardcourt slam matches is just as bad or worse. But nothing is worse than Berdych - 11 straight losses.
Bottom line, Federer is not alone. Federer is just another statistic.
Because a half dead Djokovic beat Nadal in Rome in straights which is slow clay.Nadal looked all at sea and was actually hitting lobs in that match to try something different but it wasn't working. It seemed at the time that he didn't have the answers(he himself admitted that). At RG, he was taken to 5 by Isner, could've easily gone to 4 against Andujar(had he not choked from 5-0 40-0 up), Fed was outplaying him for a lengthy period in the final and really should've won the first set.
We were robbed of a great final showdown where Djokovic could've become the undisputed king of clay(though he was the king of clay in 2011 in my book),damn you Fed!
Because a half dead Djokovic beat Nadal in Rome in straights which is slow clay.Nadal looked all at sea and was actually hitting lobs in that match to try something different but it wasn't working. It seemed at the time that he didn't have the answers(he himself admitted that). At RG, he was taken to 5 by Isner, could've easily gone to 4 against Andujar(had he not choked from 5-0 40-0 up), Fed was outplaying him for a lengthy period in the final and really should've won the first set.
We were robbed of a great final showdown where Djokovic could've become the undisputed king of clay(though he was the king of clay in 2011 in my book),damn you Fed!
I was with you until this
I meant in 2011,not of all time. Hope that helps!