How can Nadal be a GOAT candidate if...

Mike Sams

Mike Sams

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...he lost every match he ever played against his greatest rival Federer at every World Tour Finals meeting since 2006? They met 4 times and Nadal lost all 4, having only won 1 set.:shock:
Doesn't a GOAT candidate have to show at least SOME skill indoors as opposed to just winning all clay all the time and having never successfully defended a non-clay title in his entire 10+ years on the tour? Furthermore, only having won 5 hardcourt Masters titles and 4 non-clay Slams? And getting blasted off the court by his main rival in every indoors meeting? :-?
Obviously Nadal wants more clay tournaments. Why no demand for INDOOR tournaments? :lol: Oh yeah, I know why...
A little hard on the knees mixed with the fact that he has no game to compete with Federer indoors so why bother eh? :lol:
 
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Mike Sams said:
...he lost every match he ever played against his greatest rival Federer at every World Tour Finals meeting since 2006? They met 4 times and Nadal lost all 4, having only won 1 set.:shock:
Doesn't a GOAT candidate have to show at least SOME skill indoors as opposed to just winning all clay all the time and having never successfully defended a non-clay title in his entire 10+ years on the tour? Furthermore, only having won 5 hardcourt Masters titles and 4 non-clay Slams? And getting blasted off the court by his main rival in every indoors meeting? :-?
Obviously Nadal wants more clay tournaments. Why no demand for INDOOR tournaments? :lol: Oh yeah, I know why...
A little hard on the knees mixed with the fact that he has no game to compete with Federer indoors so why bother eh? :lol:
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Well, as we all know, Nadal can't play tennis. Here we are: the Goat (swiss cheese) is mentally challenged and has never found the solution to constantly beat an inapt tennis player in slams. In the process, he gave that inapt tennis player the opportunity to become one of the best of all time. Poor tennis fans, that idiot named Roger Federer made so much damage. He completely ruined the game.
 
The-Champ

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Mike Sams said:
...he lost every match he ever played against his greatest rival Federer at every World Tour Finals meeting since 2006? They met 4 times and Nadal lost all 4, having only won 1 set.:shock:
Doesn't a GOAT candidate have to show at least SOME skill indoors as opposed to just winning all clay all the time and having never successfully defended a non-clay title in his entire 10+ years on the tour? Furthermore, only having won 5 hardcourt Masters titles and 4 non-clay Slams? And getting blasted off the court by his main rival in every indoors meeting?
Obviously Nadal wants more clay tournaments. Why no demand for INDOOR tournaments? :lol: Oh yeah, I know why...
A little hard on the knees mixed with the fact that he has no game to compete with Federer indoors so why bother eh? :lol:
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:cry:Don't give up Mike, you'll find a job soon. Try to get more letters of recommendation from professionals and former professors etc. Strengthen your application letter and update your CV. When you go to job interviews, don't forget to take a shower beforehand, brush your teeth, get a haircut. Finally, make them want you by telling them positive aspects about yourself that set you apart from other candidates. Don't give up, your time will come!
 
beast of mallorca

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The-Champ said:
:cry:Don't give up Mike, you'll find a job soon. Try to get more letters of recommendation from professionals and former professors etc. Strengthen your application letter and update your CV. When you go to job interviews, don't forget to take a shower beforehand, brush your teeth, get a haircut. Finally, make them want you by telling them positive aspects about yourself that set you apart from other candidates. Don't give up, your time will come!
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That's a big BURN you gave there. :twisted::twisted:
 
The Bawss

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The-Champ said:
:cry:Don't give up Mike, you'll find a job soon. Try to get more letters of recommendation from professionals and former professors etc. Strengthen your application letter and update your CV. When you go to job interviews, don't forget to take a shower beforehand, brush your teeth, get a haircut. Finally, make them want you by telling them positive aspects about yourself that set you apart from other candidates. Don't give up, your time will come!
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Hahaha sick burn!

P.S: Moot as Nadal isn't a GOAT candidate.
 
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More importantly Nadal needs more years at #1. He is rivaled by Djokovic and Hewitt in that category now, and in weeks as well. And having zero WTF titles looks pretty weak no matter how long he can milk a weak clay era and rack up 70% of his slams at a single event.
 
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The-Champ said:
:cry:Don't give up Mike, you'll find a job soon. Try to get more letters of recommendation from professionals and former professors etc. Strengthen your application letter and update your CV. When you go to job interviews, don't forget to take a shower beforehand, brush your teeth, get a haircut. Finally, make them want you by telling them positive aspects about yourself that set you apart from other candidates. Don't give up, your time will come!
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Pure gold lol. I noticed you did not ask Mike Sam to work on his public speaking skills. Do you think he has that covered? Or is that phase 2 of recovery?
 
SoBad

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Oh, stoned Rafa rolled into some indoor Christmas exhibition in a wheelchair and lost a match? Ban him right away from the hall of fame, I say...:lol:
 
cknobman

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beast of mallorca said:
It's your co Fedfans who keeps on making threads about it, dude.
Insecure much ? :-?
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LOL insecure about what, Nadal?

No I am perfectly fine with Nadal and what he has accomplished and if he achieves enough then I will be perfectly fine considering him as a GOAT candidate.

As it stands now he has not achieved enough. He is at the upper end of Tier 2 status with Borg.
 
beast of mallorca

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cknobman said:
LOL insecure about what, Nadal?

No I am perfectly fine with Nadal and what he has accomplished and if he achieves enough then I will be perfectly fine considering him as a GOAT candidate.

As it stands now he has not achieved enough. He is at the upper end of Tier 2 status with Borg.
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I completely agree with you there mate. But *******s like Mike appears to be affected much by what Nadal has done, hence all these troll threads. Do you not agree ?
 
Mike Sams

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The-Champ said:
:cry:Don't give up Mike, you'll find a job soon. Try to get more letters of recommendation from professionals and former professors etc. Strengthen your application letter and update your CV. When you go to job interviews, don't forget to take a shower beforehand, brush your teeth, get a haircut. Finally, make them want you by telling them positive aspects about yourself that set you apart from other candidates. Don't give up, your time will come!
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Don't worry about me, Champ. :lol: We're all free to discuss the sport we enjoy. No need to get cute.:)
 
Mike Sams

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Cup8489 said:
I think mike just enjoys trolling, period.
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My best thread yet is the "Is Nadal a transitional champion?"
That really had the place going :lol:

Nah, I'm just having fun. I personally rate Nadal highly. Definitely the best clay courter ever. Just haven't been happy with the homogenization of surfaces not to mention all the excuses that go around with every loss with these top players. I personally think Nadal would never bring up anything about his knees if he had beaten Rosol. Only in losses do they have excuses. Most players are playing injured, that much we know.
 
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kiki said:
The GOAT debate was already close back in 1969.
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That was in 1969, sorry but time doesn't stand still. Like Mark Spitz, Laver is not the greatest based on the overall fans perception/opinion.

Many experts from the tennis channel have analyze/study all the great player and have come up with this list:

GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden
11 Roy Emerson
12 Ivan Lendl
13 Ken Rosewall
14 Boris Becker
15 Fred Perry
16 Stefan Edberg
17 Arthur Ashe
18 John Newcombe
19 Lew Hoad
20 Mats Wilander
21 Jack Kramer
22 Pancho Gonzales
23 Rene Lacoste
24 Novak Djokovic
25 Guillermo Vilas
26 Jim Courier
27 Henri Cochet
28 Jean Borotha
29 Frank Sedgman
30 Ilie Nastase
31 Tony Trabert
32 Jack Crawford
33 Manuel Santana
34 Guga Kuerten
35 Stan Smith
36 Neale Fraser
37 Lleyton Hewitt
38 Ellsworth Vines
39 Pancho Segura
40 Bobby Riggs
41 Fred Stolle
42 Patrick Rafter
43 Gottfried Von Cramm
44 Jaroslave Drobny
45 Tony Roche
46 William Renshaw
47 Marat Safin
48 Vic Seixas
49 Yevgeny Kafelnikov
50 Jan Kodes
51 Norman Brookes
52 Yannick Noah
53 Tony Wilding
54 Bill Johnston
55 Nicola Pietrangeli
56 Andy Roddick
57 Thomas Muster
58 Manuel Orantes
59 Pat Cash
60 Henry Austin
61 Michael Chang[/QUOTE]
 
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Sentinel said:
I am sure TMF can help you out in that respect.
RAFA2005RG said:
OP, does GOAT exist? I keep checking the ATP site and can't find the GOAT rankings anywhere.
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Gladly.

Most GS titles
1. Roger Federer 17*
2. Pete Sampras 14
3. Björn Borg 11
= Rafael Nadal 11*
5. Jimmy Connors 8
= Ivan Lendl 8
= Andre Agassi 8
8. John McEnroe 7
= Mats Wilander 7
10. Stefan Edberg 6
= Boris Becker 6

GS finals
1. Roger Federer 24*
2. Ivan Lendl 19
3. Pete Sampras 18
4. Björn Borg 16
= Rafael Nadal 16*
6. Jimmy Connors 15
= Andre Agassi 15
8. John McEnroe 11
= Mats Wilander 11
= Stefan Edberg 11

Consecutive GS finals
1. Roger Federer 10
2. Roger Federer 8
3. Rafael Nadal 5
4. Andre Agassi 4
= Rod Laver 4
= Novak Djokovic 4
7. Jimmy Connors 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= Mats Wilander 3
= Jim Courier 3
= Jim Courier 3
= Pete Sampras 3
= Rafael Nadal 3


GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 32*
2. Jimmy Connors 31
3. Ivan Lendl 28
4. Andre Agassi 26
5. Pete Sampras 23
6. John McEnroe 19
= Stefan Edberg 19
8. Boris Becker 18
9. Björn Borg 17
= Rafael Nadal 16*

Consecutive GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 23
2. Ivan Lendl 10
3. Novak Djokovic 9*
4. Ivan Lendl 6
= Nadal 6
6. Novak Djokovic 5
= Boris Becker 5
8. Roger Federer 4*
= Rod Laver 4
= Tony Roche 4
= John McEnroe 4
= Andre Agassi 4
= Jim Courer 4
= Nadal 4
= Andy Murray 4

GS quarter-finals
1. Jimmy Connors 41
2. Roger Federer 38*
3. Agassi 36
4. Ivan Lendl 34
5. Pete Sampras 29
6. John McEnroe 26
= Stefan Edberg 26
8. Boris Becker 23
= Rafael Nadal 23*
9. Novak Djokovic 22*
10. Björn Borg 21

Consecutive GS quarter-finals
1. Roger Federer 34*
2. Ivan Lendl 14
= Novak Djokovic 14*
4. Rafael Nadal 11
5. Pete Sampras 10
6. Ivan Lendl 7
= Mats Wilander 7
= Andy Murray 7
9. Andre Agassi 6
= Rafael Nadal 6

All Four Slams Per Year
Rod Laver 1969

Three Slams Per Year
Jimmy Connors 1974
Mats Wilander 1988
Roger Federer 2004
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Rafael Nadal 2010
Novak Djokovic 2011


All Four Finals Per Year
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2009
Rod Laver 1969

All Four Semi-finals Per Year
Rod Laver 1969
Ivan Lendl 1987
Roger Federer 2005
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2008
Roger Federer 2009
Rafael Nadal 2008
Novak Djokovic 2011
Andy Murray 2011

Most consecutive matches won at one Grand Slam event:
1. Björn Borg (Wimbledon), 41
2. Roger Federer (Wimbledon), 40
= Roger Federer (US Open), 40
4. Pete Sampras (Wimbledon), 31
= Rafael Nadal (French Open), 31

Most consecutive Slams played:
1. Wayne Ferreira 56
2. Stefan Edberg 54
3. Roger Federer 52*
4. Fabrice Santoro 46
5. Dominik Hrbatý 44
6. Feliciano Lopez 43*
7. Tommy Robredo 41
8. David Ferrer 40*
9. Mark Woodforde 37
=. Jonas Björkman 37

Most Grand Slam match wins
2. Roger Federer 248*
2. Jimmy Connors 233
3. Andre Agassi 224
4. Ivan Lendl 222
5. Pete Sampras 204

Other Stuff:

Year-End Championships
1. Roger Federer 6*
2. Ivan Lendl 5
= Pete Sampras 5
4. Ilie Nastase 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Boris Becker 3

Most Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer 297+*
2. Pete Sampras 286
3. Ivan Lendl 270
4. Jimmy Connors 268
5. John McEnroe 170
6. Björn Borg 109
7. Rafael Nadal 102*
8. Andre Agassi 101
9. Lleyton Hewitt 80
10. Stefan Edberg 72

Consecutive Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer (1) 237
2. Jimmy Connors (1) 160
3. Ivan Lendl (1) 157
4. Pete Sampras (1) 102
5. Jimmy Connors (2) 84
6. Pete Sampras (2) 82
7. Ivan Lendl (2) 80
8. Lleyton Hewitt (1) 75
9. John McEnroe (1) 58
10. Rafael Nadal (1) 56

Year End #1
1. Sampras 6
2. Federer 5*
3. Borg 4
4. Connors 3
= Lendl 3
= McEnroe 3


Highest Season Winning Percentage
1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3
2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4
3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4
4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5
5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6
6. Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6
7. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6
8. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7
9. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9
10. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6
= Novak Djokovic (2011) 0.921 70-6

Most ATP Titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Ivan Lendl 94
3. John McEnroe 77
4. Roger Federer 75*
5. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
7. Guillermo Vilas 62
8. Andre Agassi 60
9. Sampras 6
= Rafael Nadal 50*
10. Boris Becker 49

Consecutive Match Win Streak
1. Björn Borg 49 1978
2. Björn Borg 48 1979–80
3. Guillermo Vilas 46 1977
4. Ivan Lendl 44 1981–82
5. Novak Djokovic 43 2010–11
6. John McEnroe 42 1984
7. Roger Federer 41 2006–07
8. Thomas Muster 35 1995
= Roger Federer 35 2005
10.Jimmy Connors 33 1974
 
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Nadal isnt the GOAT at this point but your reasoning is stupid. Federer is 0-5 vs Nadal at the French Open which is alot bigger event than the WTF which isnt even a slam. Federer is even 0-2 vs Nadal at the Australian Open as well. By your logic Federer could never be the GOAT either.
 
RF20Lennon

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NadalAgassi said:
Nadal isnt the GOAT at this point but your reasoning is stupid. Federer is 0-5 vs Nadal at the French Open which is alot bigger event than the WTF which isnt even a slam. Federer is even 0-2 vs Nadal at the Australian Open as well. By your logic Federer could never be the GOAT either.
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Who's post are you arguing against?
 
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TMF said:
That was in 1969, sorry but time doesn't stand still. Like Mark Spitz, Laver is not the greatest based on the overall fans perception/opinion.

Many experts from the tennis channel have analyze/study all the great player and have come up with this list:

GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden
11 Roy Emerson
12 Ivan Lendl
13 Ken Rosewall
14 Boris Becker
15 Fred Perry
16 Stefan Edberg
17 Arthur Ashe
18 John Newcombe
19 Lew Hoad
20 Mats Wilander
21 Jack Kramer
22 Pancho Gonzales
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The bolded parts already eliminate any credability the list had. Emerson 11 spots higher than Pancho Gonzales, hahahaha
 
Dedans Penthouse

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PROPS to Mike Sams (man knows how to humorously troll) - lighting the fire..nice job!

TMF said:
Gladly.

1. Roger Federer 17*
GS finals

1. Roger Federer 24*

1. Roger Federer 10
2. Roger Federer 8

1. Roger Federer 32*


1. Roger Federer 23

2. Roger Federer 38*


1. Roger Federer 34*


Roger Federer 2004
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007

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Hey TMF, you forgot this one:

HEAD-TO-HEAD mano-a-mano:

THE BITER: 18 - 64.3%
THE Weeper: 10 - 35.7%

Ouch!....beatdown-city!



"He prances in GOLD.."
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"He cries in WHITE.."
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"He weeps in BLUE.."
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"But is never uptight.."

* sigh * ..... "ooh, I just love my fanboys!!!!"

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beast of mallorca

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Dedans Penthouse said:
Hey TMF, you forgot this one:

HEAD-TO-HEAD mano-a-mano:

THE BITER: 18 - 64.3%
THE Weeper: 10 - 35.7%

Ouch!....beatdown-city!



"He prances in GOLD.."
federer-lame.jpg




"He cries in WHITE.."
Roger-Federer-103317.jpg




"He weeps in BLUE.."
roger_federer_1250932c.jpg




"But is never uptight.."

* sigh * ..... "ooh, I just love my fanboys!!!!"

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You took the fun out, from the *******s ! Epic !! But it ain't right.
Got me LOL though
 
Hood_Man

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Surely nobody prances about in gold anyway? More like lurching awkwardly under the enormous strain of all that heavy but valuable metal weighing you down.

Would certainly ruin his footwork anyway.
 
TheFifthSet

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TMF said:
That was in 1969, sorry but time doesn't stand still. Like Mark Spitz, Laver is not the greatest based on the overall fans perception/opinion.

Many experts from the tennis channel have analyze/study all the great player and have come up with this list:

GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden
11 Roy Emerson
12 Ivan Lendl
13 Ken Rosewall
14 Boris Becker
15 Fred Perry
16 Stefan Edberg
17 Arthur Ashe
18 John Newcombe
19 Lew Hoad
20 Mats Wilander
21 Jack Kramer
22 Pancho Gonzales
23 Rene Lacoste
24 Novak Djokovic
25 Guillermo Vilas
26 Jim Courier
27 Henri Cochet
28 Jean Borotha
29 Frank Sedgman
30 Ilie Nastase
31 Tony Trabert
32 Jack Crawford
33 Manuel Santana
34 Guga Kuerten
35 Stan Smith
36 Neale Fraser
37 Lleyton Hewitt
38 Ellsworth Vines
39 Pancho Segura
40 Bobby Riggs
41 Fred Stolle
42 Patrick Rafter
43 Gottfried Von Cramm
44 Jaroslave Drobny
45 Tony Roche
46 William Renshaw
47 Marat Safin
48 Vic Seixas
49 Yevgeny Kafelnikov
50 Jan Kodes
51 Norman Brookes
52 Yannick Noah
53 Tony Wilding
54 Bill Johnston
55 Nicola Pietrangeli
56 Andy Roddick
57 Thomas Muster
58 Manuel Orantes
59 Pat Cash
60 Henry Austin
61 Michael Chang
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Federer might be the greatest of all time, yes, but this list is sensationalist tripe and I don't see why anybody would use it to bolster the claim that Federer is the greatest. I don't know about a serious tennis historian that would rank Gonzales below players like Emerson, or Emerson at 11 when he wasn't even in the top 5 (maybe not even top 8 ) of his own era.

There's a difference -- a huge one -- between journalist and historian. It doesn't matter how "expertly" these guys are, if they have little knowledge of half the guys they are ranking.
 
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Hood_Man said:
Surely nobody prances about in gold anyway? More like lurching awkwardly under the enormous strain of all that heavy but valuable metal weighing you down.

Would certainly ruin his footwork anyway.
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^^^
LOL. Indeed my good (Hood) man, we should all 'prance' so well. ;-) regards.



Surfer Rosa Rack said:
Listen you idiot, cut it out!!! Roger's the GOAT and there is nothing you or any other *******s can say about it!

The greatest!!! Do you understand you stupid ****?
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Um,...er, ok Rosa, if that's the way you feel about it....tell you what, you hot to trot little twat, calm down and sit on my face instead.. :twisted:
 
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TheFifthSet said:
Federer might be the greatest of all time, yes, but this list is sensationalist tripe and I don't see why anybody would use it to bolster the claim that Federer is the greatest. I don't know about a serious tennis historian that would rank Gonzales below players like Emerson, or Emerson at 11 when he wasn't even in the top 5 (maybe not even top 8 ) of his own era.

There's a difference -- a huge one -- between journalist and historian. It doesn't matter how "expertly" these guys are, if they have little knowledge of half the guys they are ranking.
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Exactly. Given such absurdities of the list as Emerson being at 11 and Gonzales being at only 22 I would love to see a list of this supposed group of experts, historians, former players, etc....It wouldnt surprise me if the list included people like Jon Wertheim, Luke Jensen, Mary Carillo, Peter Bodo, Ted Robinson, Bill Mcatee, and ex greats who have are well known to have fried their brains with excessive and dangerous high drug use since their playing days- Borg and Wilander.
 
kiki

kiki

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TMF said:
That was in 1969, sorry but time doesn't stand still. Like Mark Spitz, Laver is not the greatest based on the overall fans perception/opinion.

Many experts from the tennis channel have analyze/study all the great player and have come up with this list:

GREATEST MALE TENNIS PLAYERS

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden
11 Roy Emerson
12 Ivan Lendl
13 Ken Rosewall
14 Boris Becker
15 Fred Perry
16 Stefan Edberg
17 Arthur Ashe
18 John Newcombe
19 Lew Hoad
20 Mats Wilander
21 Jack Kramer
22 Pancho Gonzales
23 Rene Lacoste
24 Novak Djokovic
25 Guillermo Vilas
26 Jim Courier
27 Henri Cochet
28 Jean Borotha
29 Frank Sedgman
30 Ilie Nastase
31 Tony Trabert
32 Jack Crawford
33 Manuel Santana
34 Guga Kuerten
35 Stan Smith
36 Neale Fraser
37 Lleyton Hewitt
38 Ellsworth Vines
39 Pancho Segura
40 Bobby Riggs
41 Fred Stolle
42 Patrick Rafter
43 Gottfried Von Cramm
44 Jaroslave Drobny
45 Tony Roche
46 William Renshaw
47 Marat Safin
48 Vic Seixas
49 Yevgeny Kafelnikov
50 Jan Kodes
51 Norman Brookes
52 Yannick Noah
53 Tony Wilding
54 Bill Johnston
55 Nicola Pietrangeli
56 Andy Roddick
57 Thomas Muster
58 Manuel Orantes
59 Pat Cash
60 Henry Austin
61 Michael Chang
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The list is, as seasoned posters mostly claimed, very biassed.

it is not Laver´s fault if Federer never wins the Gran Slam ( not even in the pathetic fields of Fed´s best year 2006 he was able to do it...)
 
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The list is, as seasoned posters mostly claimed, very biassed.

it is not Laver´s fault if Federer never wins the Gran Slam ( not even in the pathetic fields of Fed´s best year 2006 he was able to do it...)
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And it's not Federer's fault Laver was banned from playing Grand Slams for the most of his prime. See, I can do it too.

And calling the 2006 field pathetic compared to Laver's year is a joke. Players now are way more athletic and professional than back then.
 
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Prisoner of Birth said:
And calling the 2006 field pathetic compared to Laver's year is a joke.
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LOL you have to be kidding me. 1969 had Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, Emerson, Smith, Ashe, aging Gonzales. It was probably the deepest field in history, just look at Laver's draws to his Grand Slam. The 2006 field is WAY weaker than that. Federer faced Nadal who was only a clay courter back then, Roddick, Ljubicic, Davydenko, and Blake. Blake was the year end #4 that year, and wasnt Davydenko year end #3.
 
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NadalAgassi said:
LOL you have to be kidding me. 1969 had Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, Emerson, Smith, Ashe, aging Gonzales. It was probably the deepest field in history, just look at Laver's draws to his Grand Slam. The 2006 field is WAY weaker than that. Federer faced Nadal who was only a clay courter back then, Roddick, Ljubicic, Davydenko, and Blake. Blake was the year end #4 that year.
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Like I said, the game is a lot more professional now. The general standard of play is now higher.
 
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Prisoner of Birth said:
Like I said, the game is a lot more professional now. The general standard of play is now higher.
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You are entitled your opinion but in the context of their own times which is all we can compare the 69 field was way tougher than the 2006 field. The 2006 field was basically the midst of another brief transition era with Safin and Hewitt DONE, and I mean 110% done as any kind of contender, Roddick on decline and never consistently at his 2003-2005 level ever again and barely a slam contender anymore, Ferrero and Coria long done, Agassi retiring, and Djokovic and Murray nobodies on the scene at that point, Nadal still only a clay courter despite his at that point fluke Wimbledon final (Robby Kendrick a qualifier should have beaten him in straight sets at Wimbledon that year). The 1969 field has atleast 5 players who rate in the top 25 players of all time today. Blake and Davydenko were the 3rd and 4th best players in the World in 2006. There simply is no comaprision.
 
kiki

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Prisoner of Birth said:
And it's not Federer's fault Laver was banned from playing Grand Slams for the most of his prime. See, I can do it too.

And calling the 2006 field pathetic compared to Laver's year is a joke. Players now are way more athletic and professional than back then.
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you said it, the fact that Laver was deprievd from playing the traditional slam events during his prime years (1963-1967) avoided him doubling his records at traditional majors.That is why we have to consider pro majors, with the pro fields being pretty much tougher than amateurs.
 
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NadalAgassi said:
LOL you have to be kidding me. 1969 had Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, Emerson, Smith, Ashe, aging Gonzales. It was probably the deepest field in history, just look at Laver's draws to his Grand Slam. The 2006 field is WAY weaker than that. Federer faced Nadal who was only a clay courter back then, Roddick, Ljubicic, Davydenko, and Blake. Blake was the year end #4 that year, and wasnt Davydenko year end #3.
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That´s it.To have Davydenko and Blake as the 3 rd and 4 th best player, just says it all.
 
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