This rule I'm not to fond of
If you are allow to call any of your own shots out including the 2nd serve than why do we have to play the point if it my 1st serve looks clearly long but my opponent still returns it?
Have you not searched this on this forum? This one is pretty obvious.
You can't watch your opponents return winner and then claim your serve was out. Any other line call you can make against yourself as there is no advantage to doing so.
Yes so the returner can hit winners all day and call my "outs" in and when he misses, hits wide, or hits the net he calls the one that was in "out"
Makes sense to me
Your opponent can do this on any borderline shot, not just service returns. There's no rule that can prevent your opponent from cheating.
The principle at work here is that can you only overrule your opponent's call when that overrule will benefit your opponent. I think that principle makes sense.
It's just one of those things. There are many players that play without calling the score, and who barely make a gesture or say anything when a shot is out.
I remember during one match where I hit a serve blatantly long, my opponent hit the ball casually, and didn't move, I got ready to serve again, and the guy says, "your serve was in."
He barely called anything, so it was pretty ridiculous. You just have to play every ball and beat these idiots into a bloody pulp. Coincidentally, these are the same people who don't signal when driving, and txt while in rush hour traffic.
The first or second time he or she does that, I would continue on but with a warning. After that, I would call it interruption of play and take a 1st serve or call an actual hindrance/take point. Of course, we're not talking about 100 MPH serves.
What kind of argument is that?
I hit a 1st serve that I perceive to be wide but he says it good
I know it's out but I can't over rule him and and end up taking the point
Clearly this over rule would have benefited the opponent
This rule I'm not to fond of
If you are allow to call any of your own shots out including the 2nd serve than why do we have to play the point if it my 1st serve looks clearly long but my opponent still returns it?
If you see your serve out, and your opponent does not get a return back, you can say to your opponent "hey, I thought the serve was out". Your opponent will then likely say either "no, your point, I'm pretty sure it was in", or else "thanks, I wasn't sure but didn't want to call it out, second serve." Either way, the final call is theirs.
On the other hand if they make a good return, you have to play the point. You can't stop play and claim your serve was out.
Thanks that helps
I'm forced to play the point
Whatever the outcome of that point
Afterwards can i still say I thought my 1st serve is out ? Yes ?
Up to the opponent to decide to let that point stand , whether I won or he/she won the point or replay the point and do the 2nd serve
Is this legit ?
That's not quite right. The rule is that you should call your first serve out only if your opponent fails to get a return in play.
If your opponent gets the return in play, his non-call stands and the point proceeds. There's no such thing as playing an extended point and then mooting it at the end because you think your serve was out.
No I think you might wrong
We can't call our first serves out no matter what
We can only suggest by what we think we saw , the final decision is up the opponent
As far as I know, the rule is that shots landing on your side are your call and shots landing on your opponent's side are their call. Period.This rule I'm not to fond of
If you are allow to call any of your own shots out including the 2nd serve than why do we have to play the point if it my 1st serve looks clearly long but my opponent still returns it?
Here is what the Code says:
Neither the server nor server’s partner shall make a fault call on the first service even if they think it is out because the receiver may be giving the server the benefit of the doubt. There is one exception. If the receiver plays a first service that is a fault and does not put the return in play, the server or server’s partner may make the fault call.
So again, the the rule is this:
1. If your opponent fails to return your first serve, you may call it out, just like you may call out your second serve, or any other shot you hit. The rules for calling first serves in this case are no different than for any other shot.
2. If your opponent successfully returns your first serve, you have no call. Your opponent's non-call always stands.
From the code 2011 ed
From what I'm reading #25 refers to doubles play not singles.
Any one?
I'm assuming it refers to both singles and doubles, as I can't imagine why the rule would differ between singles and doubles.
Yes so the returner can hit winners all day and call my "outs" in and when he misses, hits wide, or hits the net he calls the one that was in "out"
Makes sense to me
Say 1st serve is long, but is returned without a call. I will play it and if the returner then says 'it was out', it's time for a warning because the return interrupts the service. I am no longer in position to serve a second because I am chasing down his return and have or am preparing to return the ball. If he halts play, I would warn him. Next time, it's a hindrance because he is saying something as you prepare to hit the ball. You really have to tell idiots like this what you plan to do so they understand that returning long serves are not needed. They should (1) let it go or (2) block it into the net.
Say 1st serve is long, but is returned without a call. I will play it and if the returner then says 'it was out', it's time for a warning because the return interrupts the service. I am no longer in position to serve a second because I am chasing down his return and have or am preparing to return the ball. If he halts play, I would warn him. Next time, it's a hindrance because he is saying something as you prepare to hit the ball. You really have to tell idiots like this what you plan to do so they understand that returning long serves are not needed. They should (1) let it go or (2) block it into the net.
Say 1st serve is long, but is returned without a call. I will play it and if the returner then says 'it was out', it's time for a warning because the return interrupts the service.
This rule I'm not to fond of
If you are allow to call any of your own shots out including the 2nd serve than why do we have to play the point if it my 1st serve looks clearly long but my opponent still returns it?
It is so obvious
To prevent cheating on winning returns.
Stop reading start playingBed,
read the thread.
The rule makes it easier for the returner to cheat.
This rule I'm not to fond of
If you are allow to call any of your own shots out including the 2nd serve than why do we have to play the point if it my 1st serve looks clearly long but my opponent still returns it?
I rarely return an out ball, "obvious" or not...but probably don't get a lot of brownie pts from the folks here on TT...because I also rarely pocket it, especially in singles, and prefer to just let it go or deflect it into the net or side fence.If I am playing the sort of player who frequently returns obviously out returns (and I am not saying you are!), it is upsetting when a serve that I see as long gets returned and I am not prepared to play it.
I rarely return an out ball, "obvious" or not...but probably don't get a lot of brownie pts from the folks here on TT...because I also rarely pocket it, especially in singles, and prefer to just let it go or deflect it into the net or side fence.
I could see where the situation you describe could be confusing, and like you, detest folks who T off on a ball they've already called out. Doubles, though, is a different scenario when you've got a partner calling the ball at the service line. There, I don't mind the returner whackin' away...especially if, as they mostly do around here, they apologize after hearing their partner's call.