I'm have 3/4 school and 1/4 virtual, I get the social interaction, but still have enough time for tennis.
How does that work with the school district? How do determine what classes and where? Cost?
My wife and I discussed this in-depth. Several of the top juniors in our section are home schooled. It's obviously a personal decision. We opted against it because we believe the social growth you get in school is so important to your development as a young kid and ultimately as an adult. Plus, my daughter loves school and the social piece is a key piece (John McEnroe is also a big fan of school and against home schooling, for what it's worth).
I never want tennis to take over her life. It's her choice but I see her going to parties, dances, dating (yes, I'm a dad that accepts his daughter will date one day , etc. Tennis is isolating enough. You learn life lessons in school (the good, bad, tough, etc.). Even if you become the #1 ranked pro in the world, tennis will only comprise a fraction of your life . . . As a parent, I just pray my kids have happy, fulfilling and long lives. Hopefully tennis helps my daughter develop into a strong, independent and self thinking woman.
I was more looking for any experience with a kid not at an academy doing homeschool, lets say in a small town, or a club that is very adult based...Just seeing any success stories or troubles...
Again, it could be motivation because no other kid from club or area doing it...
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My wife and I discussed this in-depth. Several of the top juniors in our section are home schooled. It's obviously a personal decision. We opted against it because we believe the social growth you get in school is so important to your development as a young kid and ultimately as an adult. Plus, my daughter loves school and the social piece is a key piece (John McEnroe is also a big fan of school and against home schooling, for what it's worth).
I never want tennis to take over her life. It's her choice but I see her going to parties, dances, dating (yes, I'm a dad that accepts his daughter will date one day , etc. Tennis is isolating enough. You learn life lessons in school (the good, bad, tough, etc.). Even if you become the #1 ranked pro in the world, tennis will only comprise a fraction of your life . . . As a parent, I just pray my kids have happy, fulfilling and long lives. Hopefully tennis helps my daughter develop into a strong, independent and self thinking woman.
It is all about keeping options open. Home schooling cuts off options. Going to an Ivy League college, and several other high level colleges, is no longer an option. I heard directly from several Ivy coaches that Admissions will not take a home schooler. If you don't believe me email some of the college coaches and ask.
I know this isn't true. Ivy's will take home schoolers and so will Stanford. If you are hitting 2000+ on the SAT and a good player, those doors are still open. Homeschooling doesn't keep them out, perhaps their test scores, tennis level or other aspects of their app does just like a kid in traditional school.
I can only imagine when she gets into high school how in the world would i be able to help her with trig and calculus?????
It is all about keeping options open. Home schooling cuts off options. Going to an Ivy League college, and several other high level colleges, is no longer an option. I heard directly from several Ivy coaches that Admissions will not take a home schooler. If you don't believe me email some of the college coaches and ask.
I know this isn't true. Ivy's will take home schoolers and so will Stanford (I'd say that's a high level college). If you are hitting 2000+ on the SAT and a good player, those doors are still open. Homeschooling doesn't keep them out, perhaps their test scores, tennis level or other aspects of their app does just like a kid in traditional school.
Sorry my friend but you are not right. The Harvard coach has gone on record as saying home schooling is a scam and the students are buying "A"s. He says that Admissions will not allow him to bring in home schooled kids. The only exception is where a student has a track record at conventional school and left high school after 2 or 3 years to train and home school. Columbia, Brown, Yale- positions on home schooling are similar. I know these coaches. Have you emailed any Ivy coaches or heard them say otherwise?
Math can be managed. It is the science courses with labs (regular and AP) which are very difficult/impossible to duplicate at home. For the regular courses, I guess the labs can be done with one of the home-schooling science kits. But for an AP science course, teacher's guidance in the lab becomes very important and the lab itself is subject to College Board guidelines for it to be accredited.
My son is doing AP Biology this year and the content and labs are way, way above what I studied a generation ago. I have no clue what is going on.
Agree! The labs are not easy to do at home. My son takes AP Chemistry this year. His teacher is doing such a great job that she requires kids to enter the data and results on a lab notebook and have the content witnessed on the same day that an experiment is run. My son is doing a better job than what I did in my graduate school!
I wanted to add one more point - kids may feel more pressured (mostly from parents) to perform well if home schooled or attending a full time academy. A few kids in our section actually did worse in tournament after attending academy or home schooled. Two went back to a regular school after home schooled for one year and saw ranking go up. Well they also changed their coach.
A few questions for that coach:
1. Do they also "buy" the SAT scores and other standardized test scores?
2. Do they fake the internships with companies?
3. Do they get a stunt double to come to the personal interviews for them?
4. And lastly.....has he talked to the Harvard's admissions department, as they say the opposite of what he said?
"Grace S. Cheng, a Harvard Admissions Officer who oversees homeschool applications, estimates that her office now receives between 75 and 150 homeschooled applicants each year—a increase from the 1989 estimates of 5 to 10 homeschooled applicants per year.
Cheng says homeschoolers are neither at an advantage nor disadvantage when applying. “Yes, homeschoolers are usually ranked one out of one,” she says with a laugh. “But we have so many valedictorians in the pool that it’s not [quite] delineated out for us. We treat homeschool applicants no differently from other applicants. There are no separate application requirements.”
Harvard works to fill its classes with students from a variety of different backgrounds, and it appears these homeschoolers are no exception."
This has nothing to do with this thread but one on one doubles is a great game. I can compete with top juniors 40+ years younger. Plus, and this is the key, it teaches them how to serve/volley and play the net. Server has to serve/volley both serves. Added bonus- they realize their old coach can actually play and start listening to him. In regular singles they crush me.
No additional cost, I get out of school early, and take 2 FLVS (Florida virtual school) classes. Where normally I would have 2 electives, I only have my core (math, history, etc...) classes, and do the 2 electives online. It's pretty common in S. Florida, so the school district had an idea of what to do.
Unfortunately all these posts have evaded the topic :*( , I asked in a non academy environment for a high level junior who is homeschooled
Homeschooling in general is a whole different topic
You can sit the AP exam the following year, you don't even need to take a class to sit those exams. I took 4 exams that my school didn't offer classes for and got credit for all 4 with self study.
I don't think we know what the question is. You have a high level junior that plays out of a club but does not attend a FT academy. I know three kids off the top doing that (not working together, way different in ages boys/girls). I would say two are completely normal kids, one is a total momma's boy (to an embarrassing degree). What is your question? How to get them the tennis they need? Can you clarify?
This is an area where the world is radically changing, so the Harvard coach may not just be in synch with program yet. There have been enormous progress in technology, and the materials. Most states accredit programs that allow 'home schools' to get a state high school degree, not just a GED, and many offer these programs themselves. Many Ivy league schools actually have huge financial interests in growing this market as they are looking to leverage their brands, content, capabilities to get a piece of it. They do not have a financial interest in disparaging it.
Ten years ago, it would be very difficult for a student to get a home schooled education equal to that of a top flight public school without an enormous commitment of time from the parents, and even then, it would be questionable. Ten years from now, the opposite will be true, and at a fraction of the cost. We are really just in early stages of an education revolution.
Interesting you mentioned AP Chem. My son took Honors Chem last year, the school will not let him to AP Chem again because they don't want him to hog two science slots a year (AP Bio this year, AP Phy next year). So I am going to have him do AP Chem in a private special school (it is basically one office suite with the kitchen as a lab) next summer. It is one block from where we live. He will get a transcript but cannot write the AP exam, because it is not offered in summer. I don't care about that because he will already have 2 APs going into the senior year. I might be shelling out $4000 for this summer AP course. It is a 1 one 1 setting and flexible timings.
Something along these lines should make home schooling easier for labs. Or of course the charter schools which offer some days of regular schooling a week - labs can be squeezed in there. Though I don't know how many have the infrastructure for an AP science course.
Yes right on, sorry
I was just interested to see how the kids supplement training considering no other kids around. Also how successful they are doing so? Rankins\tournaments? ...Do they have the kids just play adults or just privates in the morning and clinics in the afternoon? And have they seen considerable improvements since starting homeschool..,
http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/ExperiencedGuidelines_02142011_V2pdf.pdf
The attached table shows a junior ranked top 150 in 18s nationally would be equivalent to a 6.0 player. You may ask the members of your club if they like to hit with your kid. They would be more likely to play a junior girl. Unless they are really good, like 5.0 and relatively young, under 40, they would not have fun playing junior boys who are ranked, say, top 500 in B18. Boys are a lot tougher than girls. I saw a #400 senior boy beat #40 senior girl like 6-2/6-2.
With private in the morning and clinics in the afternoon, it appears that your kid won't have much time for school, home-school.
My son also took Honor Chem last year. His school allows him to double up sciences, AP Chem and AP Phys this year, because he took BYU's US History on-line in the summer. We paid a few hundreds for this course. I never asked if a home schooled kid is allowed to take labs in a regular school - I would think its likely.
Thank you for the answer and example, I don't have a kid that plays or is homeschooled, just know of one and was interested. And buly the way, he does have plenty of time for school, 4 hours of tennis/conditioning allows for plenty of time for studies which should still come first!
And he is only 11 and in the 6th grade I believe, chance to excellerate his learning and progress in tennis
There is some science slot funding per student issue here. But I think the real reason is that they have opened up a brand new engineering building at the school, complete with solar panels, fuel cells, robots, breadboards, 3D printers and lathes. So they forced him to take "Principles of Engineering" this year. Next year it will be "Digital Electronics" or "Engineering Design." This is part of some national push to get kids interested in engineering. I look at them as additional Physics courses with lots of labs (to add to the Advanced Physics he already took).
In any case, he wanted two APs at the end of his junior year and he has gotten them: AP Bio and AP Computer Science. Then AP Phy, AP Calc and AP Stats in the senior year, and before that AP Chem in the private school to build on his Chem Hons.
And I would say is he equivalent to a 4.0-4.5 at the club by the way
Math can be managed. It is the science courses with labs (regular and AP) which are very difficult/impossible to duplicate at home. For the regular courses, I guess the labs can be done with one of the home-schooling science kits. But for an AP science course, teacher's guidance in the lab becomes very important and the lab itself is subject to College Board guidelines for it to be accredited.
My son is doing AP Biology this year and the content and labs are way, way above what I studied a generation ago. I have no clue what is going on.
Let's talk real world. Only a fraction of the entire student population possesses the academic credentials necessary to get into an Ivy League school anyway. Nevertheless, I know of an Ivy League school that just signed and accepted a home schooled student. And, there are home schooled kids playing tennis at West Point - today.
An institute of higher learning will not turn an eagle away if the test scores are there and if the applicant has outstanding leadership qualities (a big forehand helps too).
1. You seem to minimize the significance of a GPA. Standardized tests are a great way of gauging a student's intelligence and problem solving abilities, but they do not reveal things a GPA does. GPA's require more than just filling in bubbles for a few hours. A student's GPA reveals if they can consistently produce high quality work and that they have the ability to make deadlines and finish assignments. Take 2 students with identical credentials, 3.95 GPA and 2250 SAT. One of them is homeschooled, however. Given the nature of homeschooling, it is probably the safer bet to go with the student that went to a regular school. The homeschooler would need to provide additional information to support their ability to perform at a high level.A few questions for that coach:
1. Do they also "buy" the SAT scores and other standardized test scores?
2. Do they fake the internships with companies?
3. Do they get a stunt double to come to the personal interviews for them?
4. And lastly.....has he talked to the Harvard's admissions department, as they say the opposite of what he said?
"Grace S. Cheng, a Harvard Admissions Officer who oversees homeschool applications, estimates that her office now receives between 75 and 150 homeschooled applicants each year—a increase from the 1989 estimates of 5 to 10 homeschooled applicants per year.
Cheng says homeschoolers are neither at an advantage nor disadvantage when applying. “Yes, homeschoolers are usually ranked one out of one,” she says with a laugh. “But we have so many valedictorians in the pool that it’s not [quite] delineated out for us. We treat homeschool applicants no differently from other applicants. There are no separate application requirements.”
Harvard works to fill its classes with students from a variety of different backgrounds, and it appears these homeschoolers are no exception."
Sounds like a great plan for your son. Nice to know another tennis kid who also excels academically.
Not really. Science classes today are becoming more and more of a joke. The amount of "real" science done in classes nowadays might shock some people. Many times in class we had virtual "labs" that amounted to little more than pressing buttons on a screen and watching the computer do the processing. I went to a school that had the IB program instead of AP but my friends in the neighboring school (same district) reported similar experiences.
Clearly there are still moments that cannot be replicated at home, but the gap is closing every day.