pressure point - 1hbh

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Luvforty.....
OK, if you say you are the guy in black, then I can assume you are... but..
I'd kick that idiot instructor in the nuts! For starting before step 1, beginner tennis, and you are at least a 4.0 level player.
Talking to you like that, then having you perform such a basic backhand, total 2.5 level, is a waste of your time.
Now, the thumb thing is OK, but don't really hit like that, as you can injure youself using the thumb as the support structure. It should be the base of your thumb.
 

arche3

Banned
Luvforty.....
OK, if you say you are the guy in black, then I can assume you are... but..
I'd kick that idiot instructor in the nuts! For starting before step 1, beginner tennis, and you are at least a 4.0 level player.
Talking to you like that, then having you perform such a basic backhand, total 2.5 level, is a waste of your time.
Now, the thumb thing is OK, but don't really hit like that, as you can injure youself using the thumb as the support structure. It should be the base of your thumb.

The instructor is oscar wegner. :eek:

Dozu uses his thumbs to pick his nose too. As well as support bezel 6 pressure.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
I KNOW it's Wegner, that's why I wrote what I did.
And if Uncle Toni told me how to hold a forehand grip, spent minutes showing me where to stand behind him and hold that grip, I'd kick HIM in the nuts too.
 

luvforty

Banned
ok coach Lee, duly noted;

coach arch, why the double standard? coach cheetah messes with people's swings all the time, you don't ask him to post video.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
"coach" LeeD would never tell you how to hold a basic backhand grip, that is presumptuous.
LeeD would have you show him a few backhands, try to decide if the grip is close to reality, and work with you on hitting better backhands.
There are DOZENS of 1hbh backhand grips, and what works for one might not work for every single player.
 

arche3

Banned
ok coach Lee, duly noted;

coach arch, why the double standard? coach cheetah messes with people's swings all the time, you don't ask him to post video.

I dunno. Assuming your dozu (?) We always troll each other. Been years. Its fun. Ill post a video actually of my new bh. Even if its against the wall. I don't like asking people if we can video. If my bh still sucks on video I'm going to go kill the coach I paid.
 

arche3

Banned
I KNOW it's Wegner, that's why I wrote what I did.
And if Uncle Toni told me how to hold a forehand grip, spent minutes showing me where to stand behind him and hold that grip, I'd kick HIM in the nuts too.

I am a fan of oscar but.... wow. Foe a beginner its fine though. He was hitting 1hbh right away. Impressive.
 

luvforty

Banned
Arch. Post one with hits below knees and above shoulders. That is true test of legit bh. None of that waist high stuff. I will show the same
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
LuvForty...
For benefit of doubt, I watched the whole vid again....
Gotta say, you are a good egg! To put up with that guy, take it seriously, you must have some gumption. And then to PAY 80 bucks....that guy is raping the world!
Hope your game get's as good as your attitude! You're 7.0 in my book.
 

arche3

Banned
LuvForty...
For benefit of doubt, I watched the whole vid again....
Gotta say, you are a good egg! To put up with that guy, take it seriously, you must have some gumption. And then to PAY 80 bucks....that guy is raping the world!
Hope your game get's as good as your attitude! You're 7.0 in my book.

I don't think its him though. If it is I owe luv40 an apology. I thought I've been trolling dozu.

But in the video oscar had him hitting 1hbh instantly. Thats good in my book
 
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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Yeah, but that guy in the black shirt already could hit a good 1hbh before meeting Oscar.
Question is, does LuvForty hit a BETTER backhand now after meeting and paying Oscar?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Still gotta finish the house I"m living in, the windsurfing season has started, but was thinking of hitting LA for a windsurf board I was thinking of...to make 35 total..:(:(
500 miles round trip, 9 miles a gallon, seems a little pricey for someone living on 560 a month.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Board in question is a 116 JPSupercross, circa 2005, in good condition.
Unfortunately, my g/f seems to be headed towards Formula windsurf racing, and I might need a Formula board to keep upwind and downwind angles.
1,000 miles at 9 mpg
Paying $450 for gas to buy a used $250 board doesn't make economic sense, at least not now that I am older and hopefully wiser.
Yaz or Kiteboard might mysteriously appear at the SanPablo courts someday. I'll post when it happens.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
If I"m still with current g/f, I'll be again in PuertoRico for a month during those holidays.
If not, I'll be in Baja with the backup.
 

Cheetah

Hall of Fame
I'll be in los angelos during this Christmas season. Let's play some tennis! If my wife let's me....:(

cool. come down when jack from kickservetennis, peliwo's friend, comes down and we'll have another talk tennis gathering.
 

luvforty

Banned
Coach arch. Seriously. Post your bh. Your old one had a major flaw. And it was not push or pull. And it is not even which bevel. I promise you I cAn fix it if you show it
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
0-40, you are correct. The pressure point on the 1 hander is the heel of the thumb. I have been consciously monitoring this the last few days. You should be a coach as you have real insights that make a difference.
 

arche3

Banned
Coach arch. Seriously. Post your bh. Your old one had a major flaw. And it was not push or pull. And it is not even which bevel. I promise you I cAn fix it if you show it

Yeah I'll get a video of my new BH.

My major flaw was that it sucked. Lol.
 
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onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
Coach arch. Seriously. Post your bh. Your old one had a major flaw. And it was not push or pull. And it is not even which bevel. I promise you I cAn fix it if you show it

Arche3, don't let luvdozu "fix" your
backhand before the two of you play!
Haha.
 

arche3

Banned
Arche3, don't let luvdozu "fix" your
backhand before the two of you play!
Haha.

Dozu is not fixing anything. He is all excited now to be my coach. But it would be ironic if he spots something and turns me into guga. Then we actually play and I own him. Ttw justice!

If your in LA the same time we can go play with suresh and cheetahs. And video the elusive suresh. He is probably aaron krikstein lol.
 

luvforty

Banned
coach frog - I am an honorable man... I have the genuine intention to fix coach arch's bh.

coach arch - I am being serious here - I have the secrets to the low maintenance bh that you can use effectively without hitting a year of balls.... it is a combination of Wegner's teach plus Toly's biomechanics theories.

and speaking of Krikstein, the 115 serve guy was on the tour with him, I was not kidding you when I say I receive 115 all the time.
 

luvforty

Banned
This thread went off road somewhere. Hard to glean the advice in here, but in seriousness, is there a general consensus on the pressure points for the one hander, with an eastern grip? I found the below website with a pretty cool visual display of the different grips. What do you think?

http://www.ephemeralize.com/EasternBackhandGrip.html

this is a great find, coach AYone !

it's pretty much right on... I use a slightly more neutral version so the thumb middle joint is pushing on b6... so as a 40+ guy I don't need to bend knees down too much to dig up low slices.

but what's in the video definitely works!

however, there is a KEY piece of info there that's misleading perhaps about the supination... and I will reveal this secret after coach arch posts his bh.
 
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arche3

Banned
coach frog - I am an honorable man... I have the genuine intention to fix coach arch's bh.

coach arch - I am being serious here - I have the secrets to the low maintenance bh that you can use effectively without hitting a year of balls.... it is a combination of Wegner's teach plus Toly's biomechanics theories.

and speaking of Krikstein, the 115 serve guy was on the tour with him, I was not kidding you when I say I receive 115 all the time.

That's nice and all but I already hit a year of balls. You now want to change my bh again? Over the internet? No way you can fix my bh flaws if there are any serious enough now that warrant a revamp over internet. I'm not that bad a player. Also lots of pros even do not have perfect bhs but they work. It seems very arrogant of you. I still think you should actually demonstrate your teachings here so we can judge. Spill the beans man. Or stop hinting at some secret sauce.

So you learned your bh from a bunch of squigles and pictures and random videos on the internet? From toly? And you expect me to actually take you seriously? Do you even read what you write? You sound like a lunatic.

As far as pros I have you beat. I've actually played matches when I was 13, 14, 15, against sampras, chang, courier. Among others. I've even played tracy austin back then.
 

arche3

Banned
this is a great find, coach AYone !

it's pretty much right on... I use a slightly more neutral version so the thumb middle joint is pushing on b6... so as a 40+ guy I don't need to bend knees down too much to dig up low slices.

but what's in the video definitely works!

however, there is a KEY piece of info there that's misleading perhaps about the supination... and I will reveal this secret after coach arch posts his bh.

That's basically a fed grip. The grip I use. What's the big deal? Grab racket. Hit a bunch of tennis balls.
 

AYone

Rookie
this is a great find, coach AYone !

it's pretty much right on... I use a slightly more neutral version so the thumb middle joint is pushing on b6... so as a 40+ guy I don't need to bend knees down too much to dig up low slices.

but what's in the video definitely works!

however, there is a KEY piece of info there that's misleading perhaps about the supination... and I will reveal this secret after coach arch posts his bh.

Ha, thanks man.
 

Cheetah

Hall of Fame
Arche,
You seem to have forgotten that dozu just learned about supination about 2 months ago here on tt and he also thought that it was a new development in bh technique pioneered by dmitrov and wawrinka until I posted videos of players decades ago using it so don't expect him to give you any insight on your bh.
 

luvforty

Banned
coach cheetah, you are putting words in my mouth.

also, according to coach arche3, you are supposed to post video first, before giving out advice like above, plus making people shooting fh photos from their living rooms etc.

oh well - if arche3 doesn't want to get his bh looked at, it's his loss.
 

arche3

Banned
coach cheetah, you are putting words in my mouth.

also, according to coach arche3, you are supposed to post video first, before giving out advice like above, plus making people shooting fh photos from their living rooms etc.

oh well - if arche3 doesn't want to get his bh looked at, it's his loss.

I will post a vid actually. I want your opinion. I've been trolled. Can't get out of dozu trap.

Also... cheetah got some dude to post vids from his livingroom. Thats epic coaching skills. Its hard enough to get a real video from people.
 

arche3

Banned
Arche,
You seem to have forgotten that dozu just learned about supination about 2 months ago here on tt and he also thought that it was a new development in bh technique pioneered by dmitrov and wawrinka until I posted videos of players decades ago using it so don't expect him to give you any insight on your bh.

So true lol! Dude is on coaching rampage
 

arche3

Banned
Played two hours of tennis right now. Tried to feel where my hand pressure was on bh. It is on 7, 8. And it is also on 6. Where my thumb hooks. Balanced between all.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Your thumb, or the BASE of your thumb?
My thinking it's the latter, although Oscar says to start with the thumb itself.
 

luvforty

Banned
guy is now training hard, 2 hours a clip, just in case that dozu person makes the trip to queens.

and it's b6 after all.

when is the video coming?
 

arche3

Banned
guy is now training hard, 2 hours a clip, just in case that dozu person makes the trip to queens.

and it's b6 after all.

when is the video coming?

Its all balanced. 6, 7, 8. I never thought about it. No need to. How else do you hold a racket? Its not just 6.
 

luvforty

Banned
arch how far is your drive to the wall?

how bout we both go out shoot it now, come back post it in 15 minutes.....

otherwise it's gonna be a boring evening.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Better idea...
Why not just state your NTRP level, and the level of the crowd you play with?
Arche3 .... 4.5, opponent's 4-5.5.
 
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